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OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 12:12:21 PM

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Hi! I�ve just found this article about new HBO WW2 series:

http://hbowatch.com/a-companion-piece-to-band-of-brothers-and-the-pacific-in-talks/

Even if it will be realized, it�s still years away - but I can�t wait. Both Band of Brothers and The Pacific were great (valid for almost all of HBO mini-series).

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 12:27:26 PM

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They were both very good... I really appreciate the fact that the Marines at "canal" were realistically portrayed as only having Springfields! Not the M1s. Hal

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 3:23:23 PM

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I really loved Band of Brothers, while good, I didn't find the Pacific very compelling. My favorite series,more of a mini-series, is Generation Kill.

Generally, I go by how re-watchable something is. I never miss BoB or Gen Kill when they're on, but I don't have much interest in watching the Pacific again.

I'm really excited that they may decide to do another WW2 series.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 3:43:31 PM

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Another hint from the website:

Now there has been a mention to the press of the next installment. The HBO heads dropped only one specific point about the project and that was that they think it should be about the aerial assault over the Pacific Theater. That sounds like a logical direction as the first series represented the Army; the second did the same for the Marine Corps and the third could now acknowledge the Air Force. This story could begin with airmen scrambling to deal with Pearl Harbor to escorting and deploying the payload of the Enola Gay.

Here's hoping they don't use the physics model from "Red Tails".

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 4:09:22 PM

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HBO is certain label of quality so I believe that it will hold the BoB/Pacific standard. However, this will be different technically as air force-settled series will be full of computer graphics (same would apply for Navy-settled series which will follow, I hope

). Well, let�s wait until 2020 or so and we will see

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 5:33:29 PM

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Here's one hoping it will be more historical accurate than that movie without a name, starring that fella without male genitals...

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 5:40:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: The Gnome

I really loved Band of Brothers, while good, I didn't find the Pacific very compelling. My favorite series,more of a mini-series, is Generation Kill.

Generally, I go by how re-watchable something is. I never miss BoB or Gen Kill when they're on, but I don't have much interest in watching the Pacific again.

I'm really excited that they may decide to do another WW2 series.

same here, I found BoB to be absolutely great so my expectations were high on The Pacific too but I didn't even watch the whole series (if there would not have been BoB I would probably have stopped during the first two hours of The Pacific).

To me, neither acting, nor the battle scenes came close to BoB, they also had a different (worse) way to do all the special effects it seems.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 6:18:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: The Gnome

I really loved Band of Brothers, while good, I didn't find the Pacific very compelling. My favorite series,more of a mini-series, is Generation Kill.

Generally, I go by how re-watchable something is. I never miss BoB or Gen Kill when they're on, but I don't have much interest in watching the Pacific again.

I'm really excited that they may decide to do another WW2 series.

same here, I found BoB to be absolutely great so my expectations were high on The Pacific too but I didn't even watch the whole series (if there would not have been BoB I would probably have stopped during the first two hours of The Pacific).

To me, neither acting, nor the battle scenes came close to BoB, they also had a different (worse) way to do all the special effects it seems.

I wholeheartedly disagree. The Pacific was very well done and, to me, felt much more 'personal' than BoB. I think this was intentional and reflected a much more narrow focus on fewer lead characters. BoB was excellent, yet different. Neither better nor worse.

In terms of replayability, I think The Pacific holds more interest for me, with the exception of episode #5 BoB.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 7:07:07 PM

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+1
I thought the Pacific portrayed the intensity of the conflict with long quiet spells very well. I think the IJ truly terrified the GIs far more than the SS and I think the film portrayed the mentality of the conflict very well.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 7:21:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: castor troy

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ORIGINAL: The Gnome

I really loved Band of Brothers, while good, I didn't find the Pacific very compelling. My favorite series,more of a mini-series, is Generation Kill.

Generally, I go by how re-watchable something is. I never miss BoB or Gen Kill when they're on, but I don't have much interest in watching the Pacific again.

I'm really excited that they may decide to do another WW2 series.

same here, I found BoB to be absolutely great so my expectations were high on The Pacific too but I didn't even watch the whole series (if there would not have been BoB I would probably have stopped during the first two hours of The Pacific).

To me, neither acting, nor the battle scenes came close to BoB, they also had a different (worse) way to do all the special effects it seems.

That's also probably part of the problem. You didn't watch the whole series. Okinawa was really hard to watch, just brutal. Peleilu wore you down, and though the battle was a victory when it's depiction was over it really didn't feel that way. I loved Band of Brothers, but the experience that came with watching the Pacific actually relayed a lot of the feelings these vets had. You'll notice a lot more background characters that you didn't notice the first time around on subsequent Pacific viewings. If you go back and rewatch Band of Brothers after watching the Pacific, you'll have the feeling that the European Theater of combat was cleaner, less brutal, and not as harsh.
IMHO, though I loved both series, the Pacific came across as more real.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 7:31:54 PM

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Another possibility from the hint that was dropped is that it covers the air war over the Pacific and not simply the AAF. If this were the case Coral Sea, Midway, the Cactus Air Force, the Aerial war of attrition up the Solomons, the Marianas Turkey Shoot, the Kamikaze threat, the Strategic Bombing of Japan and finally Enola Gay. While this would be less a showcase for the Army Air Force and would have a great deal of time spent on Naval aviation, both Navy and Marine Corps, and IJN (probably a majority of the time). It would probably be a more compelling series and do a better job of telling the Pacific story. If you just tell the Army Air Corps story, while of critical importance to the war effort, it would be way less dramatic.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 7:57:29 PM

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The Pacific took some liberties personalizing real events, but putting them on a different character. Sledge's and Lecke's autobiographies differed from their actions in the series by having the characters experience some 'common' events that didn't happen IRL. Sledge's aborted extrication of Japanese gold teeth comes to mind as an example (happened in the series, not IRL).

If the producers of the next series take this to heart, they can take some additional liberties with the experiences of Allied fliers that broaden the appeal and the interest without dehumanizing the conflict.

Here's hoping for a Dick Bong focus for at least one of the story lines.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 7:59:15 PM

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Ooh...how's this? Maybe we're assuming that it's told from the American's perspective? Wouldn't an IJNAF / IJAAF focus be interesting too?

Hollywood would never do it, but it would break the mold, wouldn't it?

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 8:09:16 PM

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The IJN side of the Iwo story was very very good IMHO. Eastwood

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 8:10:53 PM

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The IJN side of the Iwo story was very very good IMHO. Eastwood

True. Have you seen a good movie or series on the Japanese aerial experience in WWII though?

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 8:19:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: The Gnome

I really loved Band of Brothers, while good, I didn't find the Pacific very compelling. My favorite series,more of a mini-series, is Generation Kill.

Generally, I go by how re-watchable something is. I never miss BoB or Gen Kill when they're on, but I don't have much interest in watching the Pacific again.

I'm really excited that they may decide to do another WW2 series.

I didn't get into the Pacific as much as Band of Brothers either..

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 8:41:34 PM

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there's so many stories that should be told! movies need to be dramatic, life-as-lived tends more towards the routine.
in my game (just like real life), many of my pilots & LCUs are on patrol or just holding ground, they'll never drop a bomb on a detected sub or engage in land combat. but ya can't prosecute the war w/o adequate protection of your rear-areas or providing support to the front-lines.

i enjoy reading Ernie Pyle, he reported back to the home-front from what he observed. his writings should be made into a movie - he could inject drama & human interest into the activities of any unit he visited, whether it was mess-hall priveleges in wartime London, radar-directed fire from an AA battery in Normandy, or field hospital support in North Africa.

collections of his wartime columns, 'Brave Men' & 'This Is Your War', provide enough info to satisfy any WWII buff or inspire any screenwriter.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 9:02:14 PM

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No, except that clip on U-Tube about Kamikaze pilots.

ps. It seems IJ pilots were far more humble whether through doctrine or disipline.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 9:55:26 PM

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there's so many stories that should be told!

Definitely. HBO can produce WW2 series for another 100 years and still it won�t be enough. WW2 affected lives of many millions - and each of these millions of stories is interesting and should be told.

BTW, I think that HBO talent for drama miniseries can be used also for some story of resistance fighters in one of occupied European countries. So, if someone from HBO is reading this forum, think about it.....

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/30/2012 11:11:03 PM

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Anything of the quality of BOB or Pacific would be good.

I'd really love to see some sort of series focusing on the "Black Shoes": those who served in the somewhat less glamorous surface fleets of the USN.

I'd like to suggest Lcdr Edward Nelson Parker as a major character. He commanded USS Parrott at Balikpapan, Bandoeng Strait, and Java Sea and then took USS Cushing to Santa Cruz and the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal. With today's computer generated special effects a I'm pretty sure a good and serious director could convey something akin to a realistic feel for the night surface combat that characterized the Pacific War. Parker won 3 Navy Crosses and a Silver Star for his actions in early WWII. Seems a good place to start.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/31/2012 2:47:07 AM

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The Pacific took some liberties personalizing real events, but putting them on a different character. Sledge's and Lecke's autobiographies differed from their actions in the series by having the characters experience some 'common' events that didn't happen IRL. Sledge's aborted extrication of Japanese gold teeth comes to mind as an example (happened in the series, not IRL).

I did enjoy "The Pacific" but liked BoB better. After reading Sledge's and Leckie's books however, I had a more negative view on the accuracy of the series.

While I never expected extreme fidelity from the series to either book, I did expect that events that are protrayed in the series actually happen where and in relatively the same manner as they did IRL. Sledge's book, "With the Old Breed" mentions nothing about a heart murmer that kept him from enlisting. He actually was enrolled in ROTC at a college when he decided to enlist. And the series also doesn't mention the several months he spent on garrison duty in China immediately following the war. He didn't return home until the Spring of 46.

The series does seem to be more faithful to Leckie's book, "Helmet for my Pillow" though it does have its issues here also.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/31/2012 3:53:32 AM

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While I never expected extreme fidelity from the series to either book, I did expect that events that are protrayed in the series actually happen where and in relatively the same manner as they did IRL. Sledge's book, "With the Old Breed" mentions nothing about a heart murmer that kept him from enlisting. He actually was enrolled in ROTC at a college when he decided to enlist. And the series also doesn't mention the several months he spent on garrison duty in China immediately following the war. He didn't return home until the Spring of 46.

I see multiple references to Sid Phillips being the source of the heart condition story. Memories that old can fade, but Phillips was a doctor after the war and should understand murmurs. Sledge might have not wanted to mention it in his own book for personal reasons. I don't know who is right, but HBO didn't make it up from what I can tell.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/31/2012 5:36:49 AM

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I see multiple references to Sid Phillips being the source of the heart condition story. Memories that old can fade, but Phillips was a doctor after the war and should understand murmurs. Sledge might have not wanted to mention it in his own book for personal reasons. I don't know who is right, but HBO didn't make it up from what I can tell.

Sledge's father was also a physician and would understand murmers as well. And we have to remember that Philips graduated high school a year before Eugene and enlisted right after Pearl Harbor.

Sledge graduated high school in May 1942. He then attended the Marion Military Institute until May 1943 and while there, signed up for the Georgia Tech V12 officer training program. He started this training on 1 July 1943. According to his book, he purposely did poorly on his first semester exams so that he could become an enlisted Marine. He stated in his book that he was afraid that he would miss the war if he stayed in college.

Philips states that Sledge had rheumatic fever as a child yet Sledge makes no mention of this anywhere. It is not found in any of Sledge's books or the many biographies that aren't based on Philips' statements. It is possible that Sledge did have rheumatic fever that resulted in a heart murmer but if that were the case, he would either have not had the mumer upon graduation from high school and would have been eligible to enlist then - or - he still had the murmer in which case he would not been eligible for the military instutute or GT officer training programs.

Most of Philip's comments regarding Sledge were made to the producers of the HBO series. I'm inclined to believe Sledge's book more so than Philip's recollection 60+ years later. That is not to say his statements are false, just possibly distorted by the passage of time. I willing to bet that Sledge did have the murmer but at an early enough age that it was gone by the time he was in high school.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/31/2012 1:12:08 PM

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I see multiple references to Sid Phillips being the source of the heart condition story. Memories that old can fade, but Phillips was a doctor after the war and should understand murmurs. Sledge might have not wanted to mention it in his own book for personal reasons. I don't know who is right, but HBO didn't make it up from what I can tell.

Sledge's father was also a physician and would understand murmers as well. And we have to remember that Philips graduated high school a year before Eugene and enlisted right after Pearl Harbor.

Sledge graduated high school in May 1942. He then attended the Marion Military Institute until May 1943 and while there, signed up for the Georgia Tech V12 officer training program. He started this training on 1 July 1943. According to his book, he purposely did poorly on his first semester exams so that he could become an enlisted Marine. He stated in his book that he was afraid that he would miss the war if he stayed in college.

Philips states that Sledge had rheumatic fever as a child yet Sledge makes no mention of this anywhere. It is not found in any of Sledge's books or the many biographies that aren't based on Philips' statements. It is possible that Sledge did have rheumatic fever that resulted in a heart murmer but if that were the case, he would either have not had the mumer upon graduation from high school and would have been eligible to enlist then - or - he still had the murmer in which case he would not been eligible for the military instutute or GT officer training programs.

Most of Philip's comments regarding Sledge were made to the producers of the HBO series. I'm inclined to believe Sledge's book more so than Philip's recollection 60+ years later. That is not to say his statements are false, just possibly distorted by the passage of time. I willing to bet that Sledge did have the murmer but at an early enough age that it was gone by the time he was in high school.

Chez

I haven't seen "The Paciifc" yet, but I will now that we have HBO. My exposure to Phillips is from "The War" as well as his sister's extensivve on-screen time from that documentary. My impression was Phillips and Sledge were boyhood friends (the sister might have been sweet on Sledge too from what I gathered) and close friends for decades after the war.

I don't know which is true. I can't recall details of childhood ailments now and I'm in my 50s. I only wanted to say that HBO didn't make up the murmur for dramatic reasons out of whole cloth. Also, regardless of whether he had it or not, it didn't affect his war record.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/31/2012 1:35:54 PM

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Interesting news... Steven Spielberg's father was a B-25 pilot in the CBI theater. I think he has always been an aviation buff.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/31/2012 7:11:11 PM

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The series that I have always wanted to see would follow the USS Enterprse through the war.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 10/31/2012 7:28:13 PM

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The series that I have always wanted to see would follow the USS Enterprse through the war.

"Battle 360" covered that a few years ago. Kind of CGI heavy, but still modestly interesting. I think that this recent 'coverage' of the Enterprise story would impact the marketability for a dedicated miniseries, but what do I know?

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 11/1/2012 4:53:13 AM

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I'd prefer a historical Wake remake that shows what happened to those that had to endure the surrender aftermath. As far as an AF theme to it, the only story I see there would be a possible AVG remake even though it's been done & after the MTSNBN rendition of Doolittle's Raid I'd imagine no one is willing to touch the subject. Is there a single compelling story of the B29 crews like a Memphis Belle type thing? I don't really know of one so I'd think the AF being main theme would be out. Navy storylines???

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 11/1/2012 5:32:52 AM

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My impression was Phillips and Sledge were boyhood friends (the sister might have been sweet on Sledge too from what I gathered) and close friends for decades after the war.

They were and Sledge was best man at Philip's wedding. Philip's did provide the series producers some backgraound on Sledge. I just think Philips got his timeline mixed up. Anyways not a big deal.

Interesting to note that Leckie and Philips both served in the same company at the same time.

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RE: OT: New HBO WW2 series on horizon? - 11/1/2012 10:18:27 AM

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If it is based on naval/marine aviation in the Pacific, could be plot be based around the USS Enterprise. I can not recall if there were any major actions that this ship was not part of.

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