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13.1 Partisans (option 46)
Getting partisans
Each country named in bold italics on a red background is eligible if it is controlled by any active major power.

Roll another die for each eligible country and compare it to that country’s partisan number (in the fist symbol on the map). If the country was neutral at any time in the calendar year, halve its partisan number.

Controlling Partisan
Partisans in ‘red’ countries are controlled by the nearest major power currently at war with the major power that controls the country. The nearest is the major power whose capital city is closest to the minor’s capital city. If no major powers are at war with the controlling major power, then the nearest major power on the other side runs the partisans.

Partisan effects
Partisans are always at war with the conquering major power (and it’s aligned minors) even if the partisan’s controlling major power is not at war with the conquerer.

Partisans are not removed from the map either when their country or their controlling major power has been conquered. Even if their controlling major power has been completely conquered, partisans can still move and fight every turn as if their controlling major power had chosen a land action.

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1. Japan occupies Indo-China - Japan aligns French Indo-China but only if it is a Vichy territory (see 17.2) and there are no Allied units there. Japan does this by announcing the occupation during an Axis declaration of war step. Move any Vichy units in French Indo-China to the Free French force pool.

All hexes in French Indo-China immediately become Japanese controlled.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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13.1 Partisans
(option 46)


Controlling Partisans
Partisans in ‘red’ countries are controlled by the nearest major power currently at war with the major power that controls the country. The nearest is the major power whose capital city is closest to the minor’s capital city. If no major powers are at war with the controlling major power, then the nearest major power on the other side runs the partisans.

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17.3 Units
Non-French units


The owning player moves every non-French controlled land and aircraft unit in a Vichy French hex to the nearest hex they can stack in controlled by its major power, or a co-operating major power, or their aligned minors.

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Controlling partisans
Partisans in ‘green’ countries are controlled by the major power that controlled their country before it was conquered (or still control it if it isn’t yet conquered). Partisans in China are always communist Chinese units. French partisans are controlled by the Free French unless it is completely conquered, after which they are controlled by the Soviets.

Partisans in ‘red’ countries are controlled by the nearest major power currently at war with the major power that controls the country. The nearest is the major power whose capital city is closest to the minor’s capital city. If no major powers are at war with the controlling major power, then the nearest major power on the other side runs the partisans.

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3.1 Sequence of play
End of Turn Stage
13.1 Partisans (option 46)
13.7 Peace

13.7.1 Conquest
Other (than Italy) home countries
To conquer any other home country, you must control its capital plus every printed factory hex in that home country. You do not need to control a hex that only contains factories that were moved, or built, there.

13.7.4 Vichy declaration
You may be able to declare a Vichy government during this step (see 17.1).

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17. Vichy France
The Axis may be in a position to install a Vichy French government before France is conquered.

17.1 Creation
An Axis major power can choose to install a Vichy Government if one of its in-supply land units occupies Paris in a peace step and France is not conquered. If more than one Axis major power occupies Paris, then Germany has first choice as to whether it wishes to establish a Vichy government.

If you install a Vichy government, Metropolitan France itself is divided into 2 countries - Metropolitan Vichy France (including Corsica if still French controlled) and Occupied France. A line on the map marks the border. The capital of Metropolitan Vichy France is Vichy. Paris remains the capital of Occupied France.

Occupied France is a conquered major power home country controlled by the Axis major power that installed the Vichy government. Control of occupied France is as per 13.7.1 except that all hexes controlled by French units become controlled by the Axis major power installing the Vichy government.

Metropolitan Vichy France is the home country of a new major power ~ Vichy France.

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Non-French units
The owning player moves every non-French controlled land and aircraft unit in a Vichy French hex to the nearest hex they can stack in controlled by its major power, or a co-operating major power, or their aligned minors.

Rebase every non-French controlled naval unit in these territories or minor countries to the nearest friendly controlled port within double the range of the rebasing naval units. If there is no friendly base it can stack in within double the naval unit’s range, it is destroyed instead.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous
Since control of partisans is during 13.1 Partisans (option 46) control would be judged during this step.

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ORIGINAL: Ur_Vile_WEdge

Well, not to overly quibble, but isn't determination based on which major power on the opposing side is closest to the controlling major power's capital, not the capital of whatever country the partisan is actually in?

E.G. if Indo-China stays Vichy, you count hexes from Vichy itself, not from Hanoi, which means that the partisan would be controlled by the CW, not by China.

And if that's the case, wouldn't that mean that there's an Allied unit in Indo-China, and thus Japan cannot occupy it?

At least to me, it seems a little counter-intuitive that because there are some guerrillas hiding out in the hills, Japan can't take over the territory, but then again, I've had the same quibble for when the CW lands a division somewhere to preempt the Japanese takeover.


Sorry to everyone in this thread about being so picky, but it did come up in a game of mine, and while the French haven't fallen (yet), I'm trying to determine if it's in my best interests to beg the CW to send a division over to curb-stomp the partisan.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous
Since control of partisans is during 13.1 Partisans (option 46) control would be judged during this step.

This is quite simply: Wrong.

Since partisans are always at war with the controlling power it is impossible for them to be controlled by a major power on the same side as the controlling power. Vichy is on the axis side. 13.1 defines the conditions for how partisans are controlled not when control of them changes.

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1.1 Rules
We have arranged these rules in sequence-of-play order. Optional rules are generally in the same place as the standard rule they modify. They are separated from the standard rules by being framed in grey. All optional rules are exactly that and each option can be played in part or full provided all players agree.

To play this game, you should decide on what rules variants you want to play with (using the Optional Rules Manifest on the back of the Production Circle will make this easier) choose a scenario (see 24, scenario information), and follow the set-up instructions there.

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13.1 Partisans (option 46)
Getting partisans
Setting up partisans
Controlling partisans
Partisan effects
Partisan units are always in supply.

They only have a ZOC in the hex they occupy.

Partisans may move anywhere within their home country. They can never leave their home country.

Partisans only co-operate with other units from their own country. Add 1 to each partisan unit’s combat factors if it is defending in a forest or jungle hex. Shattered partisans are destroyed instead. Partisans are always at war with the conquering major power (and it’s aligned minors) even if the partisan’s controlling major power is not at war with the conquerer.

Partisans are not removed from the map either when their country or their controlling major power has been conquered. Even if their controlling major power has been completely conquered, partisans can still move and fight every turn as if their controlling major power had chosen a land action.

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Original: Centaur

I don't agree at all with you, extraneous...

I repeat RAW:

"Partisans are always at war with the conquering major power (and it's aligned minors) even if the partisan's controlling major power is not at war with the conquerer."

If I follow your point of view, how is it possible for a partisan unit to be controlled by the Major Power, which controls his red country? After all, he is at war with that power!

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1.1 Rules
We have arranged these rules in sequence-of-play order.

In section 2.5 of the rules, control is determined. This section comes first in any turn (before initiative). So during this phase, you determine what Major Power controls which partisans, along with determining which hexes, countries and territories every Major Powers controls. Normally, this is of course skipped. However, regarding Partisans, this is the moment control is determined in the sequence of play...

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2. General concepts
2.1 Terrain
2.1.1 Hexes & hex-dots
2.1.2 Sea areas
2.1.3 Off-map areas
2.1.4 The American minimap
2.2 Zones of control
2.3 Stacking
2.4 Supply
2.4.1 When to check supply
2.4.2 Tracing supply
2.4.3 Out of supply

2.5 Control
Entities (geographical entities)
Initial control (of hex's)
Changing control (of hex's)

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Control of a hex changes when:
An enemy land unit (except for partisans ~ see 13.1 Partisans (option 46) , and supply units ~ see 22.4.10 Supply units (MiF option 6)) enters it (the major power entering with the most factors if more than one); or
An island, territory, minor country or major power is conquered (see 13.7.1 Conquest); or
France is declared Vichy (see 17.1 Creation); or
It is a communist Chinese-controlled city entered by a nationalist Chinese land unit or vice versa; or
During the liberation step you return control to the original owner (see 13.7.5, reversion).

Units in hexes that change control (Naval and Air units)

2.6 Fractions
2.7 Dice
2.8 Range

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3. The Turn
After you have set up your game (see 24.1 Setup), you play a series of two-month turns until the scenario is over (this will be from 5 to 36 turns, depending on the scenario).

Both sides perform a series of activities in every turn. There are 3 stages at the start of the turn that everyone takes part in. Then there is a sequence of impulses that each side performs alternately. After those impulses are over, there are a few more stages for everyone. Then the turn is over and you start a new turn (easy isn’t it?!?).

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13.1 Partisans (option 46)
Partisans in ‘red’ countries are controlled by the nearest major power currently at war with the major power that controls the country. The nearest is the major power whose capital city is closest to the minor’s capital city. If no major powers are at war with the controlling major power, then the nearest major power on the other side runs the partisans.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous
Question: which major power conquered France? Answer: None. A Vichy government was installed by Germany.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous
Question: which major power conquered French Indo-China? Answer: None. French Indo-China was aligned by Japan.

Japan is only at war with China and has never been at war with France or French Indo-China.

Why is the partisan at war and with whom?

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Original: WiFFE-RAW-7.0.pdf

3. The Turn
3.1 Sequence of play
E. END OF TURN STAGE
Both sides perform these steps in this order:
E1 Partisans
E2 US entry
E3 Return to base
E4 Final reorganisation
E5 Production
E6 Intelligence (option 63)
E7 Peace
E7.1 Conquest
E7.2 Allied minor support
E7.3 Mutual peace
E7.4 Vichy declaration
E7.5 Liberation
E7.6 Surrender
E8 Victory check (& option 30: factory destruction)

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Original: WiFFE-RAW-7.0.pdf

17. Vichy France
The Axis may be in a position to install a Vichy French government before France is conquered .

17.1 Creation
If you install a Vichy government, Metropolitan France itself is divided into 2 countries - Metropolitan Vichy France (including Corsica if still French controlled) and Occupied France. A line on the map marks the border . The capital of Metropolitan Vichy France is Vichy. Paris remains the capital of Occupied France .

Occupied France is a conquered major power home country controlled by the Axis major power that installed the Vichy government. Control of occupied France is as per 13.7.1 Conquest except that all hexes controlled by French units become controlled by the Axis major power installing the Vichy government.

Metropolitan Vichy France is the home country of a new major power ~ Vichy France.

Vichy France is a neutral major power run by the Axis major power that installed the Vichy government.

French territories and minor countries already conquered by the Axis remain conquered by them.

All other French territories and minor countries may be aligned with either Vichy France or Free France.

17.3 Units
Non-French units
The owning player moves every non-French controlled land and aircraft unit in a Vichy French hex to the nearest hex they can stack in controlled by its major power, or a co-operating major power, or their aligned minors.

Rebase every non-French controlled naval unit in these territories or minor countries to the nearest friendly controlled port within double the range of the rebasing naval units. If there is no friendly base it can stack in within double the naval unit’s range, it is destroyed instead.

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1. Japan occupies Indo-China - Japan aligns French Indo-China but only if it is a Vichy territory (see 17.2) and there are no Allied units there. Japan does this by announcing the occupation during an Axis declaration of war step. Move any Vichy units in French Indo-China to the Free French force pool.

All hexes in French Indo-China immediately become Japanese controlled.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Try your argument with ADG. There is a link on their site for you to ask rules questions.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous
You take it up with ADG. I am no longer part of the Beta test.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Show me in the RAW where Vichy France is conquered or incompletely conquered without triggering Vichy French collapse.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Show me in the RAW where Vichy France is conquered or incompletely conquered without triggering Vichy French collapse.

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17.1 Creation
An Axis major power can choose to install a Vichy Government if one of its in-supply land units occupies Paris in a peace step and France is not conquered. If more than one Axis major power occupies Paris, then Germany has first choice as to whether it wishes to establish a Vichy government.

If you install a Vichy government, Metropolitan France itself is divided into 2 countries - Metropolitan Vichy France (including Corsica if still French controlled) and Occupied France. A line on the map marks the border. The capital of Metropolitan Vichy France is Vichy. Paris remains the capital of Occupied France.

Occupied France is a conquered major power home country controlled by the Axis major power that installed the Vichy government. Control of Occupied France is as per 13.7.1 Conquest except that all hexes controlled by French units become controlled by the Axis major power installing the Vichy government.

Metropolitan Vichy France is the home country of a new major power ~ Vichy France.

Vichy France is a neutral major power run by the Axis major power that installed the Vichy government.

Free France is an alternative government also established at this time. Free France is considered an incompletely conquered major power from now on unless otherwise specified. It is run by the French player. Free France starts at war with all countries France was at war with, and at peace with all others (including Vichy France).

French territories and minor countries already conquered by the Axis remain conquered by them.

All other French territories and minor countries may be aligned with either Vichy France or Free France.

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

You've received an answer on the Yahoo Wif forum, which confirms the rules as described by Paulderynk and me... I quote:

"Partisan remains
It is now an anti-Vichy partisan
It does not prevent Japan demanding Indochina

Rules will be reworded in next version to make this more clear".

The rest doesn't seem to be of any importance, doesn't it?

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I posted this to the rules list and received a definitive answer:

Partisan remains
It is now an anti-Vichy partisan
It does not prevent Japan demanding Indochina

Rules will be reworded in next version to make this more clear.

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ORIGINAL: Ur_Vile_WEdge

I don't see why I wouldn't be, but all I got was a very terse note of:

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I posted this to the rules list and received a definitive answer:

Partisan remains
It is now an anti-Vichy partisan
It does not prevent Japan demanding Indochina

Rules will be reworded in next version to make this more clear.

So, at least my understanding is that red partisans do shift allegiance at some point (although it is unclear exactly when), and that they don't count as "allied units" for purposes of the indochina alignment.


But if you meant like, the rules listing guy's thoughts that went into that decision, it wasn't on the yahoo list, and I don't know it myself. My apologies.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

I wonder why the partisan is anti-Vichy and not anti-Japan?

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous


It has to do with who is the controlling major power of red partisan countries.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous


It has to do with who is the controlling major power of red partisan countries.

The current wording there in RAW7 is most unfortunate. "Partisans are always at war with the conquering major power (and it's aligned minors) even if the partisan's controlling major power is not at war with the conquerer."

Maybe it was worded better in older versions of the rules and the grognards have always played it the way it was intended to work (as described in post #26).

I can see now why the issue became contentious. The next version of the rules will have this fixed. The rules group is trying hard to find and eradicate these kind of ommissions and ambiguities in the RAW.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous


It has to do with who is the controlling major power of red partisan countries.

The current wording there in RAW7 is most unfortunate. "Partisans are always at war with the conquering major power (and it's aligned minors) even if the partisan's controlling major power is not at war with the conquerer."

Maybe it was worded better in older versions of the rules and the grognards have always played it the way it was intended to work (as described in post #26).

I can see now why the issue became contentious. The next version of the rules will have this fixed. The rules group is trying hard to find and eradicate these kind of ommissions and ambiguities in the RAW.

I agree there are some very rough parts in the RAW.