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Does Cavalry Entrench? - 12/1/2012 7:34:14 AM

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Hey folks. In my recent game this evening (in which I was, yet again, massacred by the AI), I attacked a Russian cavalry unit with a full-strength corps. The cavalry unit inflicted a loss of 9 points on my unit, which was then easily picked off when the AI attacked. Bad die roll said I. Then it happened again a few turns later! On both occasions the cavalry unit was in a hex with a trench. Is it possible the cavalry units were getting a trench bonus?

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RE: Does Cavalry Entrench? - 12/1/2012 11:59:52 AM

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Yes cavalry benefits from entrenchment. The often fought dismounted as normal infantry so don't think of this as horses covering in the trenches :)

9 Damage sounds like a lot though. What did the prediction say?

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RE: Does Cavalry Entrench? - 12/1/2012 2:45:47 PM

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What did the prediction say?

"Bossy573 you are going down - punk."

I did not look at the prediction. I saw cavalry I assumed was on open ground and attacked thinking they would be torn to shreds, or at least run away. Now I know better.

What strength is a "detachment" in the game. A division?

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RE: Does Cavalry Entrench? - 12/3/2012 7:54:55 PM

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What strength is a "detachment" in the game. A division?

There are detachments in this game?

Unless you mean garrisons?

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RE: Does Cavalry Entrench? - 12/4/2012 2:16:36 AM

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There are detachments in this game?

Unless you mean garrisons?

I do. I could swear I saw them called detachments somewhere but yes - garrisons. The manual says only that they are "small units." So I figured that the infantry units were corps and the garrisons division strength, but with so many variables perhaps it doesn't matter. All I know is there are "garrisons" running around in this game smacking my units around!

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RE: Does Cavalry Entrench? - 12/4/2012 8:37:16 AM

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The 'garrison' name obviously has led to some confusion in the game. A probably better way to think of them is as reserve armies. They are full strength units, capable of a solid defence, but not your first choice for an attack. In most games they are an essential component of your armies, as you can't afford to cover all your fronts with exclusively infantry units.

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RE: Does Cavalry Entrench? - 12/5/2012 12:45:03 AM

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They are full strength units, capable of a solid defence, but not your first choice for an attack.

Interesting. So the garrison unit actually has the same numerical strength as the infantry unit?

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RE: Does Cavalry Entrench? - 12/5/2012 9:52:04 AM

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Well, in terms of strength points, both units have strength 10. But if you're talking about what that represents it's worth noting that garrison units cost 6 manpower to an infantry unit's 10 manpower, so no, they don't represent the same numbers of individual soldiers.

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RE: Does Cavalry Entrench? - 12/5/2012 8:11:48 PM

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The 'garrison' name obviously has led to some confusion in the game. A probably better way to think of them is as reserve armies. They are full strength units, capable of a solid defence, but not your first choice for an attack. In most games they are an essential component of your armies, as you can't afford to cover all your fronts with exclusively infantry units.

I actually prefer the name 'garrison' over the suggestion 'reserve'.

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RE: Does Cavalry Entrench? - 12/5/2012 10:02:04 PM

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The 'garrison' name obviously has led to some confusion in the game. A probably better way to think of them is as reserve armies. They are full strength units, capable of a solid defence, but not your first choice for an attack. In most games they are an essential component of your armies, as you can't afford to cover all your fronts with exclusively infantry units.

I actually prefer the name 'garrison' over the suggestion 'reserve'.

In WW1 there were large numbers of 'reserve' units, so it is historical.

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RE: Does Cavalry Entrench? - 12/5/2012 10:45:00 PM

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The 'garrison' name obviously has led to some confusion in the game. A probably better way to think of them is as reserve armies. They are full strength units, capable of a solid defence, but not your first choice for an attack. In most games they are an essential component of your armies, as you can't afford to cover all your fronts with exclusively infantry units.

I actually prefer the name 'garrison' over the suggestion 'reserve'.

In WW1 there were large numbers of 'reserve' units, so it is historical.

There was indeed a large number of 'reserve' units in WWI. I object because the performance of those 'reserve' units were of a parity with the regular units. As I recall this was a surprise at first during WWI since most expected the 'reserve' units performance to be second rate. Therefore I do not like the idea of naming the weaker infantry units 'reserve'.

I think 'garrison' fits since they are not strong enough to do anything more than "garrison" a entrenched line.

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RE: Does Cavalry Entrench? - 12/6/2012 7:21:03 PM

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There was indeed a large number of 'reserve' units in WWI. I object because the performance of those 'reserve' units were of a parity with the regular units. As I recall this was a surprise at first during WWI since most expected the 'reserve' units performance to be second rate. Therefore I do not like the idea of naming the weaker infantry units 'reserve'.

I think 'garrison' fits since they are not strong enough to do anything more than "garrison" a entrenched line.

I thought that one of the reasons given for the failure of the initial German attack on France was that the marching plan was set for the capabilities of regular units and that reserve units could not keep up with the timetable. However, I have just ordered a number of books to catch up with my WW1 history, but the game allows us to name units as we wish, which is good.