Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: jmalter
then switch to full speed / unload / do not retire for the next turn.

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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

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ORIGINAL: jmalter
then switch to full speed / unload / do not retire for the next turn.

Whats the benefit of setting an amphib TF to full speed? Except maybe posing a less juicy target for subs and eating
up fuel at quadruple rate?

Unloading has nothing to do with TF speed, and the TF is already in the hex, correct?

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Hey guys.

Thank you all for the advice and input. Sorry for being so slow to respond. This being a daddy thing certainly takes a lot more time then I could ever have anticipated!

To sum it up I did the following errors:
Not enough pre bombardment by far.
Not enough troops. (I had an additional USMC RGMT loaded on a assault ships but when my AV in the first wave went down to 32 I kind of had to bug out. I was afraid landing another wave would have triggered an additional SA?)

I have troops prepped for Baker in fact and I´m thinking of trying again. CENTPAC is a sideshow in our game anyway and since I have troops I might as well practice!

For Baker I have the following forces 100% prepped
3 Marine RGMT
1 Tank BTL

So no engineers and no HQs prepped... Is there any point in trying at all? And if so how should I go about it? Obviously I would try to work over the base a lot more then just the night before this time. Both by sea and air.

My suggestion:
Land 2 Marine Rgts and the Tank Bn. Have the other Marine Rgt standing by for a second day landing. If possible, have at least a few empty ships along for that second day evac.

On day 1 it is quite likely that 1 Rgt will be mostly trashed. Evac it and simultaneously land the backup Rgt.

Note Well: Do not shock attack. Your units will make a required shock attack upon landing. If a unit takes two days to land, it will also shock attack the second day. If a unit takes three days to land, it will shock attack on the third day too. Remember to check each and every turn and cancel the shock attack orders! If you forget then units might continue shock attacking longer than required. That will wreck them and might ruin the invasion.

After you have the units ashore in fighting condition (they likely won't be in perfect condition!), then check the disruption and fatigue. Do not attack until disruption is in single digits. Fatigue should be no more than 30, but fatigue is way more tolerable than disruption. You will play with these figures in different situations and develop your own feel for what numbers are acceptable.

After disruption and fatigue (but most especially disruption) are within acceptable parameters, start making deliberate attacks. No shock attacks! And check disruption after each attack, resting when necessary. You will be amazed at how well the assault goes with non-disrupted units making deliberate attacks.

If you have exceeded stacking limits by any significant percentage, then remember to land some supply each turn.

BTW, if you only had 2 Marine Rgts ready I think they would be enough, provided you only landed one of them on the first day (to absorb the big first-day hit).

Edit to Add: That Tank Bn should really help. Tanks are great at attacking fortifications in AE.

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Whats the benefit of setting an amphib TF to full speed?

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also there will only be two unloading phases, not four. Each navel movement phase allows unloading, which can be partial if the TF is interrupted by, say, approaching enemy warships.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

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ORIGINAL: jmalter
then switch to full speed / unload / do not retire for the next turn.

Whats the benefit of setting an amphib TF to full speed? Except maybe posing a less juicy target for subs and eating
up fuel at quadruple rate?

Unloading has nothing to do with TF speed, and the TF is already in the hex, correct?

Correct - also there will only be two unloading phases, not four. Each navel movement phase allows unloading, which can be partial if the TF is interrupted by, say, approaching enemy warships.

One old practice is to stop 1 hex away in a hex with no land whatsoever. Then move that last hex (at normal speed, not full speed) with Unload settings on the invasion turn. This was because of bugs where some troops would begin unloading in spite of the Do Not Unload setting if they were in a hex with land (your intended target or not). Of course those few troops always got trashed in the shock attack. I have not heard of that happening in a long time so Michael might have found it and fixed it quite some time ago.

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ORIGINAL: jmalter

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Whats the benefit of setting an amphib TF to full speed?

often, my AmphTF is set to arrive 1 hex away, so i use fullspeed for the final approach.

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also there will only be two unloading phases, not four. Each navel movement phase allows unloading, which can be partial if the TF is interrupted by, say, approaching enemy warships.

AmphTFs unload 4 times a turn, before the naval movement & after the air operations, in both the night & day sections.

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ORIGINAL: goran007

I always thought that only penalty for overstacking atol is penalty in supplies consumption?

If i am correct, go against atols with 2-3 times of what is stacking limit and take the base on first shock attack. That is what i do against AI at least.

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ORIGINAL: JeffK

All of this fiddling around with settings and bombarding for a couple of weeks only sets you up for a beating.

Your opponent will be getting Air Land & Sea elements into the area by every possible means.

Plus its going to take a long time to conquer the Pacific at those speeds.

IMVHO, if you are attacking a Bn sized force, take a Division plus support, 1-2 days air and sea bombardment and heavy units in the amphib TF. Upsize this formula as the defender number increase. Be 75%+ prepped and have competent commanders.
Dont fear overstacking, as long as you win the day it works, losing a few disrupted squads is acceptable.

As mentioned, bring extra supply while you reload the attackers and leave a garrison. Losing a few disrupted squads is acceptable.

Atoll invasions need to smash your opponent, not pry him out using minimal force and Clauswickinan tactics.