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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/8/2012 7:13:34 AM

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Its a quiet day, isn't it?
I hear we are going home to Japan, but, you know, we have been hearing THAT for months now. Just like we hear the Americans are negotiating surrender every second month...

But enough of that, are you ready for your Ticket on the Turbo generator? Achieve this my young stoker, and its no more boiler room for you ney!, you can come over to the luxury of the engine room, where temperatures are so much lower, and the space so less claustrophobic.

Ok then, away you go, I will be watching carefully...........

You've done it a dozen times, ...........

First, align the circulation pumps...and start them.
Good
Vent the condensor............bloody cock is so hard to reach
Alright.........the condensor shows only a little in the glas, better back fill it.......
Thats better.
Hope its enough.
Start the condensate pump on recirc, three turns should do it.
Crud, better check it actually started............(some times it doesn't)
OK, thats the condensor taken care of, now lets raise vacuum.

Gland steam.....ouch, hot.........2 to 3 psi...........bloody fiddly.

Now the air ejectors, opening 150 psi steam to them, gently!, gently!
Ahh, good, up she is coming.

Excuse me petty Officer, will you pump the oil pump, while I test the trip?
Ok, ........OK, and Bang!..that works.
Re set it.

Pump again please?............
Alright, open the main steam drain............nice whoosh...........shut em, crack the guard valve, crack the throttle...........OK, here she comes, 1000, 2000, 3, 4, .......8000 RPM -hit the trip.
Hey, it works!.........reset, and now we open her up to 11000 ..............

Down staris, quick, condensor is filling fast, shut the recirc, .......clear of salinity????..........yes, put to system.
Open exhaust to the TG, open the guard wide.

"Turbo Generator ready to be put on load Petty Officer!!!"

"Well done Able , just remember though, Hirate and Okano will want it done a lot quicker than that........and also, remember this is where the Charge watch keeps............so be on your toes!!!

easy hey?
Ships never stop.
Training never stops
Promotions never stop

They all promise a future
Strange to think, Febuary 1944, and Zuiho still has , or believes it still has one.

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/8/2012 9:44:06 PM

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Admiral Abe is awokened to the sounds of the action alarms, the strident screaming alarm that can drag even the most fatigued of men out of the deepest sleep, and bring them running to their stations

He has been a sailor a long time has our fleet commander, and it is but moments for him to be racing up the stairs towards Zuikaku's bridge, moments to note however the vioelnt manouvering his flag ship is performing..........

"Who is it this time?" he snaps as he enters the bridge, out here, deep in the phillipine sea, this alarm can be only one thing
'Shokaku sir!".........she has been hit by two fish.............but both duds sir....destroyers attacking!

It is 10 am, the sea he notes, is grey, white capped, angry.
Perfect SS weather.
Combined Fleet has ten destroyers escorting, 10 of her latest destroyers, and now four of them are knifing in onto the starboard flank, hunting the Buka
"Enemy contact sir, Akitsuki attacking!"
Faintly, over the wind, the crump of the charges, followed by more, and then yet more

And abruptly.........gunfire
"Enemy surfaced!,am engaging!"

'Turn the fleet west by North west, he may have friends."

1100 hrs, and destroyer Akitsuki steams past, her light flashing "Have taken 3 survivors, requeast instructions"

Abe almost growls the reply "As if I need to tell him that..........send them for a swim , and send them swimming now"

War is brutal.
Mars is a hard god, I think. Barely has the order been carried out, barely have three brave men disapeared forever into the depths, than they are avenged.

Ahead of Zuikaku, on the port wing, CV Unryu reels to two explosions on her port side., and moments later, CV Amagi bursts into flames as two more fish find her flanks as well.......................

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/8/2012 9:49:54 PM

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"Revolutions 290!"

1300 hrs. Zuiho begins to work again towards full speed
Her decks rumble as the jills launch into ASW patrols (as if they sem to help).......and the fleet commences zig zag .
Tokyo is 2 days away.
They will try to dash in.

Word has spread, terrible, terrible word

Combined fleet is broken

"You realise Hidaka, we are down to just 4 fleet carriers now, 4 fleet, and us 5 little ones..........."

Hidaka waits many moments before he replys, his voice thick with pain
"I never thought we could lose this way................."

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/8/2012 9:54:19 PM

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A massive convoy of LSTs, APs and support ships, has been steadily tracked creeping up the coast towards darwin.
Today, battle ships Kirishima and her 3 sisters, position themselves just north of babar island.
They are attacked twice by beauforts, shooting three down for no damage.

At midnight, they turn south, and race towards Darwin, attempting to intercept

To their east, 2 CA's, a pack of DDs , race in too, target bathurst island airfield

Anger fills Japans High command
Strike back!, somehow, anyhow, just strike back!

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/9/2012 2:07:15 AM

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10/2/44

But enough of that, are you ready for your Ticket on the Turbo generator? Achieve this my young stoker, and its no more boiler room for you ney!, you can come over to the luxury of the engine room, where temperatures are so much lower, and the space so less claustrophobic.

Ok then, away you go, I will be watching carefully...........

You've done it a dozen times, ...........

First, align the circulation pumps...and start them.
Good
Vent the condensor............bloody cock is so hard to reach
Alright.........the condensor shows only a little in the glas, better back fill it.......
Thats better.
Hope its enough.
Start the condensate pump on recirc, three turns should do it.
Crud, better check it actually started............(some times it doesn't)
OK, thats the condensor taken care of, now lets raise vacuum.

Gland steam.....ouch, hot.........2 to 3 psi...........bloody fiddly.

Now the air ejectors, opening 150 psi steam to them, gently!, gently!
Ahh, good, up she is coming.

Excuse me petty Officer, will you pump the oil pump, while I test the trip?
Ok, ........OK, and Bang!..that works.
Re set it.

Pump again please?............
Alright, open the main steam drain............nice whoosh...........shut em, crack the guard valve, crack the throttle...........OK, here she comes, 1000, 2000, 3, 4, .......8000 RPM -hit the trip.
Hey, it works!.........reset, and now we open her up to 11000 ..............

Down staris, quick, condensor is filling fast, shut the recirc, .......clear of salinity????..........yes, put to system.
Open exhaust to the TG, open the guard wide.

"Turbo Generator ready to be put on load Petty Officer!!!"

"Well done Able , just remember though, Hirate and Okano will want it done a lot quicker than that........and also, remember this is where the Charge watch keeps............so be on your toes!!!

Nicely written.

We always had a problem with the trip throttle valve on #1 SSTG. No matter how many times it was taken apart and put back together it just never "felt" right, especially once the speed gov. took over and we spun it to engage the trip spring. I took that truk'er apart as a MM2 in 1986 and one final time as a MMC just before transfer in 1990; and multiple times in between.

I swear that shaft was about .0015" out of round when you mic'd it vertically, but not when you did it horizontally - which of course makes no sense. It always tripped in PM's just fine, but I also always hoped we never had to rely on it.... Just a feeling. Ya know?

Dang that was a while ago.

Whipple

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/9/2012 3:48:17 AM

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I CANNOT Believe these SS Attacks! Insanity...

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/9/2012 6:20:09 AM

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No doubt the real IJN felt the same way... consider second half of 1944: us subs sank 2 CVs at Phillipine Sea (Taiho, Shokaku), then 2 more in November/December (Shinano, Unryu), and just for kicks they sank 2 CVEs as well during the same period (Taiyo, Unyo). Plus Battleship Kongo in November, and 2 CAs plus one crippled at Leyte Gulf, and who knows how many DDs etc!

The IJN high command must have thought the game engine was totally borked. US Subs WAY too powerful...

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/9/2012 7:23:36 AM

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The game is TOTALLY broken...

The real history is obviously written by propagandists who spread LIES as to the effectiveness of the US Silent Service!

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/9/2012 8:05:17 AM

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this will be my only comment on this outside the narrative

I cannot do anymore in the ss war, believe it or not, I am actually doing well against his ss, sinking 1 or 2 a week, and damaging many more

I drove his subs away from the biak, ambon area

I use massive amounts of ASW planes
All TFs have had 9 DDs, 8 at times

This attack was by 3 ss, in the same hex.
I sank 2, one got away

Its cudo's to cantona...........he micro manages SS like no other player I know.
My only bitch........how a dd can be hit by a torp, survive, and be back in a month
A 30000 ton carrier, iether sinks, or is ot for a year............that is not modelled too well at all.
sure tahio died from just one fish, it took a few more than that for all the others.

But..........it IS 44, its scene 1, i am still in PNG, burma, dei...........I no complain!!!

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/10/2012 5:35:49 AM

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A 30000 ton carrier, iether sinks, or is ot for a year............that is not modelled too well at all.
sure tahio died from just one fish, it took a few more than that for all the others.

Well, the IJN carriers were incredibly vulnerable to av gas explosions. Just as bad as being on a British battlecruiser at Jutland.

Hiyo was effectively lost to a single torpedo causing an av gas explosion at Phillipine Sea (also took 2 bomb hits, but they were immaterial to her loss). And Unryu was sunk by just 2 torps. The CVEs were of course very vulnerable as well - Taiyo and Unyo both sunk by 1 or 2 torps. And Mizuho (seaplane tender, but analogous to Chitose/Chiyoda conversions) was lost to a single torpedo hit. Taiho, as you mentioned. And of course the Midway debacle - 2 bombs sinking Akagi, 3 for Soryu, ...

Can't say whether the game models this well, but I guess any hit on an IJN carrier should be potentially fatal, given the av gas problems and dire IJN damage control.

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/10/2012 7:43:52 AM

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sourdust is probably right......................

Just my dreams of a massive (and entertaining ) decisive battle have been whittled away in the most boring of manners)

ah well
it could be worse.

13/2/44

It was the snake that saved him
Nearly 6 feet long, some sort of python, it slithered slowly past Flying officer Graham as if he was not there.
Graham, lying on his back, knew he had one chance, and one only

He has not eaten for 5 days. If he is going to eat, well, dinner is on the move..........

He has learnt a few things since his last sorjourn in the jungle.
carefully, slowly, he reaches for his boot, and the 6 inches of steel stowed there.

"Come to papa, ...come to papa............

Snake does not taste like chicken. Its bitter, rancid, stringy..........even charred to a crisp, the sourness remains.
But its food.
80 miles behind enemy lines, in one of the worlds worst jungles.
But he's got a full belly now.
Surely that counts for something.

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/10/2012 7:52:27 AM

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Japans 4 battle cruisers race into Darwin waters, they briefly sight an enemy cruiser, which flees, but fail to intercept any thing else

2 hours later, CA Suzuya and Kumano, leading 7 destroyers, encounter the CL santa Fe and 4 destroyers in the same waters

It leads to a decisve japanese defeat.

Barely a single hit is scored on the allied ships in the long, long running battle, fought at 10000 to 16000 yards.
The allies hit repeatably..........devastating 4 destroyers, and messing up Kumano badly.
Daylight brings the allied airforce, which finishes of the four destroyers.
Only the Santa Fe being torpedoed by a ss the next morning balances the ledger, a little, but not much.

Something has changed.
You feel it now. In the skies, under the waves, and now above them, The Americans seem to have the qualative edge, let alone the numbers.
Hard questions are being asked of japans men
There are no easy answers.

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/10/2012 7:55:27 AM

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Tokyo

Zuiho lies alongside .
Below decks, she's a mess, the last run in has treated her roughly indeed.

But thats for tomorrow boys

Leave

24 hrs of leave

If you think her machinery is a mess, thats nothing to what her crew are getting into ashore............

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/10/2012 11:07:27 AM

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Oh boy... never seen anything like that...how many carriers have been sunk by subs so far?

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/10/2012 8:24:22 PM

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Side note: fairly recent wreck analysis indicates that Akagi was probably only hit once, not twice - the 2nd being a miss very close astern.

Japan's carriers were horrifyingly fragile.

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/10/2012 10:00:05 PM

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Side note: fairly recent wreck analysis indicates that Akagi was probably only hit once, not twice - the 2nd being a miss very close astern.

Japan's carriers were horrifyingly fragile.

Ummm - doesn't a deckload of armed and fueled aircraft + a hangar deck full of stacked ordinance and second-strike planes count for anything? I find it hard to believe that there was enough of the aft wooden flight deck left to determine that only one bomb hit.

As for fragility - the USN had the same problem [Lexington] until it learned to stop refueling aircraft and flood the system with inert gas whenever enemy planes were detected. Witness what happened to CV Franklin when a lone DB sneaked in and hit her with one bomb while her decks were loaded with a strike.
I'm not sure if the Japanese ever established a system to suppress fuel fumes.

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/10/2012 10:48:57 PM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gridley380

Side note: fairly recent wreck analysis indicates that Akagi was probably only hit once, not twice - the 2nd being a miss very close astern.

Japan's carriers were horrifyingly fragile.

Ummm - doesn't a deckload of armed and fueled aircraft + a hangar deck full of stacked ordinance and second-strike planes count for anything? I find it hard to believe that there was enough of the aft wooden flight deck left to determine that only one bomb hit.

As for fragility - the USN had the same problem [Lexington] until it learned to stop refueling aircraft and flood the system with inert gas whenever enemy planes were detected. Witness what happened to CV Franklin when a lone DB sneaked in and hit her with one bomb while her decks were loaded with a strike.
I'm not sure if the Japanese ever established a system to suppress fuel fumes.

I recommend reading Shattered Sword - among other things they note that the strike photos from the US attack birds show the IJN carriers didn't have a strike spotted. They also go into the single bomb hit sinking Akagi in detail.

USS Lexington took two torpedoes and three bomb hits. Hardly the same as sinking from a single bomb hit.

From DANFS: "The enemy penetrated to the American carriers at 1100, and 20 minutes later Lexington was struck by a torpedo to port. Seconds later, a second torpedo hit to port directly abreast the bridge. At the same time, she took three bomb hits from enemy dive bombers, producing a 7� list to port and several raging fires. By 1300 her skilled damage control parties had brought the fires under control and returned the ship to even keel; making 25 knots, she was ready to recover her air group. Then suddenly Lexington was shaken by a tremendous explosion, caused by the ignition of gasoline vapors below, and again fire raged out of control. At 1508 Capt. Frederick C. Sherman, fearing for the safety of men working below, secured salvage operations, and ordered all hands to the flight deck. At 1707, he ordered, "abandon ship!", and the orderly disembarkation began, men going over the side into the warm water, almost immediately to be picked up by nearby cruisers and destroyers."

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/10/2012 11:12:33 PM

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In addition to Gridley380's comment, I believe I have seen reference to a damage control mistake leading to the explosion that caused the loss of the Lexington. If my fading memory serves correctly I seem to remember that instead of venting the gasoline fumes out of the ship a mistake by a junior DC officer resulted in the fumes being vented throughout the ship thereby defeating the compartmentalization and DC system advantages inherent to US ships. In effect the Lexington may be an example of the robustness of a US ship minus the supposed damage control advantage.

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/10/2012 11:34:23 PM

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Please let us not hijack this lovely story which is being played out in the far east. While it is true that jap carriers were not as robust as their counterparts, that is not really the theme of this thread.

I am not policing or anything similar. Just wanting to let the story continue, for those that follow the journey of our Jap heroes and Long Pig Graham.

Mat

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/11/2012 8:42:24 AM

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14/2/44

I think we have mentioned Commander Korii only a few times, Zuiho's gentle but stern Medical officer. Unlike his fellow officers, he has not had a long and stirring Naval training, war has thrust him from a comfortable Country practice, into a uniform that he hardly feels fit to wear at times.
However, like nearly all Japanese, duty is deply installed.
Tonight, possibly one of the worst duties a man can get, liason with military police, shore patrol.
On paper, its easy enough. report to point A -usually some sort of bleak concrete hell, filled with even bleaker less humourless people, and as the situation requires, dispatch your shore patrol sailors.

Easy enough?
Well, for starters, consider those twenty odd shore patrol sailors...........their companions are out letting loose many months of steam, and they have to spend the night dragging drunken bodies back onboard, or worse.. Sympathy is in short supply then.........

Korii , as he settles in to his waiting room, complete with at least 6 months of newspapers, views the night ahead in the half full manner..........he can catch up his news reading, and tonight surely should give him some sights to remember in his dottage.

They will.

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/11/2012 8:43:04 AM

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CV Amagi succumbs
CV Unryu survives - a month in dock for her...............

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/11/2012 8:49:19 AM

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Hidaka views the "flight deck with a very unsteady eye...........
'gee..........I am pissed............
The flight deck -three long tables pushed end on, glistens.
Diogawa adds to its slippery surface, raising a glass of beer high, and letting it cascade in a golden stream upon its surface.

he turns, wobbles.......Salutes Hidaka...:"Flight deck open for operations .....SIR!"

Hidaka tries to focus. Somewhere, a still sane or sober part of his brain is screaming...........don't be a bloody idiot, you'll break your neck, then what ney?.but that stupid voices hash is quickly drowned with another good draught of the amber........

"Banzia!!!
headlong, he flings himself at the deck, slams onto the table, slides drunkedly, and with the yells of encouragement ringing in his ears, slides over the side.......
'Man overboard!, man overboard!"

Flight deck operation, at the black cat bar, are under way..............

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/11/2012 8:52:23 AM

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In a slightly less "posh establishemnt"...........80 voices ring as one..........drowning the music, drowning the girls, drowning out every bloody thing

'We are, we are the ENGINEERS, we can, we can,we can drink the forty beers, .............

Bar, the pink **** cat, is raising steam nicely..............

And its only 9pm

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/11/2012 8:54:39 AM

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Korii's first call seemed innocous..........."request 3 men to street.................Fight between Chitose and Zuiho crew members.........
Ok.
Three men dispatched.
"Ah, the rice crop is reported as very good........"

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/11/2012 8:59:43 AM

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Ogawa see's him first, huddled undser the table............
"Hey........HEY!.Uto!.what the hell are you doing down there."

"I fell over.............I think, I think my legs have forgotten how to walk............ I think I am a submarine"
"A,.a what?"
A submarine, Im wet a bloody enough....."

Ogawa stares for quite a while at his friend.......minds gears grating, gnashing away, assimulating information...

Uto has made a very big mistake.........

"SUBMARINE!!!", yells Ogawa, and piles on in a drunken attack.

30 fellow pilots quickly follow..........

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/11/2012 9:02:59 AM

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"Its Tokyo zoo sir"
Korii looks up...............zoo?.
With trepidation, he takes the phone.

'I see............I see.............yes.......i see..............we will be there right away................I see..............yes............"

Carefully, carefully, he places the reciever down, meeets 17 pairs of expectant eyes.
"Apparently, 6 members of our executive department have stolen an elephant................"

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/11/2012 9:07:22 AM

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Hirate stops for a minute, weariness overcoming him. Okano stops too, turning to the wall Hirate leans upon. The sound of a man relieving himself fuills the alley way.
'How far back to the ship?"
"Too bloody far................we need a taxi"
'You got any money left?
No, have you?
No.

"
Bloody too far to walk...............heros like us should be chauffered you think?"
You think?'
Yeah, I think"

hey, Okano.........look.
Look at what?
'A truck..............lets borrow it."
"You can't borrow a fire truck....................
"Want a bet?"

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/11/2012 9:13:31 AM

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/11/2012 9:15:45 AM

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Uto sways in front of the seargent
'Do you know who I am?"

The seargent, of 65th brigade, does not. These are men of Herbiesans personal guard, his attack dogs as you will, the meanest barsteds in tokyo.
Traitors they can deal with before breakfast.
A dozen or so drunk fliers, well, that may be a little more delicate........
There are three of them here, in the park, guarding the motor pool.

Uto pulls himself erect .............as well as he can 'I sir, am Lt Uto, flying officer of the imperial Navy.....
"And herbiesans son" interjects Diogawa , spitting roast duck at the seargeants feet
.."and you sir , i wish to ask, request, beg, the use of your truck to take us home.........."

"Piss of little man"
The Army man shoves Uto chest first , and he falls onto the ground.
Arrogant, brave...stupid

The fights not pretty

Three soldiers lie bleeding on the deck.

'Ok", slurs Hidaka, "lets take the truck"
''Stuff that".Uto points wildly."lets take the tank"

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RE: The little ship that could. - 12/11/2012 9:19:59 AM

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Its a long night for Comander Korii.........

Zuihos crew will all get home safely.

Some, shall we say, just might take a little longer than others to get there.

but, as they say.............no harm done

Zuiho is going into dock for a bum scrape, and those tubes are going to be replaced

When our splitting heads are a bit better

Think we might lie down for a while

PS
All of the above are true stories, only names and places changed.
(One of my sailors once tried to steal a helicopter from the marines at pearl harbour, had it burning and turning too...........but they don't exist yet in 44)

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