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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/13/2012 8:18:30 PM   
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but the forecast called for rain, which offered the slightest possibilty of concealment. The big Japanese carrier TF was still posted north of Palembang, less than 200 miles to the west of Repulse. The Dutch were reporting another, smaller carrier TF near Kendari, moving west.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/13/2012 9:41:53 PM   
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Bridge, HMS Repulse
Billiton Island 
20 December 1941

It was now or never.  Repulse would limp away from her temporary anchorage at Billiton Island on a NE course, despite the proximity of so many enemy carriers, combat ships and subs.  The engineers had begged for another day to make repairs, but the the airfield at Palembang might fall to the enemy tomorrow.

Captain W.G. Tennant understood there was almost no chance of success, but the forecast called for rain, which offered the slightest possibilty of concealment.  The big Japanese carrier TF was still posted north of Palembang, less than 200 miles to the west of Repulse.  The Dutch were reporting another, smaller carrier TF near Kendari, moving west.

Hope had vanished.  Tennant was resigned to his fate, but would do everything in his power to somehow extract his ship and his men from the paws of the lion. 


According to the JFBs any single-ship TF is invisible and immune from attack.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/13/2012 11:28:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bridge, HMS Repulse
Off the NE Cape of Billiton Island
21 December 1941

Repluse was a burning wreck dead in the water.  That she was afloat at all was a testiment to her builders; her crew; her captain.  Early that morning, as she limped away from port, Japanese patrol aircraft had finaly given her all the attention she didn't want.  Two carrier raids followed - one in the morning and one in the afternoon.  They were Kates carrying bombs, fifteen of which hit home.  There was no chance for survival now.  A frantic message from HQ had urged Tennant to scuttle the ship so that he and the crew might be rescued.  Tennant was stubborn and defiant, but he felt that there was absolultely no possibility - absolutely not the slightest chance - that his ship would survive tomorrow.  The Japanese smelled blood and they'd be back in force.  Reluctantly, with vision strangely blurred, he gave the orders to destroy the papers and prepare to open the sea cock.  Repulse was finished, but perhaps her battle-tested and resolute crew could fight again. 

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/13/2012 11:36:15 PM   
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Bridge, HMS Repulse
Off the NE Cape of Billiton Island
21 December 1941

Repluse was a burning wreck dead in the water.  That she was afloat at all was a testiment to her builders; her crew; her captain.  Early that morning, as she limped away from port, Japanese patrol aircraft had finaly given her all the attention she didn't want.  Two carrier raids followed - one in the morning and one in the afternoon.  They were Kates carrying bombs, fifteen of which hit home.  There was no chance for survival now.  A frantic message from HQ had urged Tennant to scuttle the ship so that he and the crew might be rescued.  Tennant was stubborn and defiant, but he felt that there was absolultely no possibility - absolutely not the slightest chance - that his ship would survive tomorrow.  The Japanese smelled blood and they'd be back in force.  Reluctantly, with vision strangely blurred, he gave the orders to destroy the papers and prepare to open the sea cock.  Repulse was finished, but perhaps her battle-tested and resolute crew could fight again. 



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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/14/2012 12:04:27 AM   
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Repulse:  After absorbing 15 additional bombs, this ship's FLT damage increased from 85 to 96.  I elected to scuttle her in hopes of saving Tennant, who has good command ratings, but a flash message on the screen - one so fast that I didn't actually have a chance to read it - possibly indicated that he died or was "lost at sea."  I hope it's the latter.  I want him to command again. 

DEI:  John is moving furiously to grab territory.  4th Div. spearheaded an invasion of Palembang, which fell on the second try despite 235 AV (but sorry troops compared to the Japanese).  I don't think the oil wells suffered any damage.  I'll check again tomorrow.  The Japanese have also gobbled up Ambon and Boela.  CL Marblehead got trapped and clobbered (I'd forgotten I stationed a little combat TF at Kendari; forgot until Kates started attacking my helpless ships).  However, I think there's a good chance she makes it to Soerabaja.  I'm really glad the Allies made the effort to attend to Cocos quickly.  In three or four days, she'll receive a UK brigade or two (I'll have to measure troop capacity).  I have a small Dutch unit at Christmas - just enough to prevent the island from being a freebie.

Indian Ocean:  Quiet at the moment.  I'm hoping to send the third of the three UK brigades to Diego.  Madras Police Battalion will go to Addu Atoll.  Port Blair, with 325 AV, will require John to commit some time and troops.  A small IJ tank force took Moulmein, but John can't come further until he brings more.

China:  The Japanese whacked a Chinese corps near Kienko, but the Japanese suffered three or four repulses elsewhere.  John is kind of recklessly (IMO) using repeated shock attacks when he isn't sure they'll work.  The Chinese, as a result, have made some good stands and are already seeing units with some good experience.

NoPac:  The IJ carrier force in this region is near Umnak at the moment.  The Allies have finished reinforcing Coal Harbor, which is a huge piece-of-mind accomplishment for me.  Ultimately, I intend to push a bit in NoPac if John doesn't augment his naval force.  Ent and Lex are enroute - currently nearing Canton Island after departing the Coral Sea.  By the time they pass Christmas Island, Yorktown will have joined Sara at San Diego.  The combined force will be more than sufficient to handle the current IJ lineup in NoPac, permitting the Allies to ram some reinforcements into Kodiak, et al.

CenPac:  The Japanese landed an assault division at Midway.  Despite roughly 150 AV, the unit has failed on successive shock attacks to dislodge the Marines.  John will probably bring in a bombardment force or reinforcements.  I'll see what I can do, but I need time to get something ready to go.

SoPac/SWPac:  IJN subs nosing around Fiji, New Caledonia, etc. have sunk a couple of ships.  One came uncomfortably close to my carriers, but I don't think John picked up any intel.  Overall things are quiet in the Solomons and vicinity since John took a couple of hits on the chin here.  He's undoubtedly organizing a well-escorted counterpunch, but my guys have vacated the area, except for Triomphant, which is still loitering near Atape, New Guinea.

Overall Situation:  John is moving fast and hard.  One good thing is that he has committed alot of divisions already - in China, at Palembang, on Luzon.  I don't get the feeling that he's coming big and hard for a major objective early.  Instead, I get the feeling that he'll attend to the things he "has to have" before moving on to Phase Two, which is likely to be India or Oz or both or more.



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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/14/2012 12:17:51 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/14/2012 2:07:30 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/14/2012 2:11:29 AM   
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Repulse:  After absorbing 15 additional bombs, this ship's FLT damage increased from 85 to 96.  I elected to scuttle her in hopes of saving Tennant, who has good command ratings, but a flash message on the screen - one so fast that I didn't actually have a chance to read it - possibly indicated that he died or was "lost at sea."  I hope it's the latter.  I want him to command again. 

I think you will see those messages in either the combat events file or the operations report file (or both).

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/14/2012 12:54:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Too bad about Repulse. She is one of the ships that I really enjoy saving; even more than the Prince of Wales.

Tennant might be lost. I think it has to do with the availability of forces to rescue, but I thought that scuttling was immune from that.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/14/2012 4:13:00 PM   
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Reading the tea leaves:

SoPac/SWPac:  As expected, the Pearl Harbor-branch of the KB showed up in the Solomons, near Tulagi.  This is John's way of reestablishing order in the one region where he's had fits.  Of course, any Allied player would've seen this coming, so my combat ships are far away now.  More importantly, my carriers are moving north (both are currently just south of Canton Island) towards CenPac or NoPac.  In about ten days they should mate up with Saratoga and Yorktown, which will allow the Allies to go carrier hunting if the NoPac Mini KB remains in the place (currently, though, that outfit is in the western Aluetuains and may be moving to Japan).  I'm going to commit my carriers that way, though, hoping for a crack at it.  If it doesn't develop, the carriers can still be put to good use covering reinforcement missions to Kodiak et al or trying to help the situation at Midway, if still held. Judging by the disposition of enemy subs since the start of the war (posted at many Pacific Islands - Christmas, Palmyra, Pago Pago, Noumea, Fiji, Luganville), John has intentions of coming this way.  That is consistent with his fascination with the Pac War.  I expected him to do so, though I'm also making allowances for the possibility that he doesn't.

CenPac: Midway held against another attack and the Japanese amphibious force is in bad shape.  I'm sending a combat TF and minelayers.  An APD is enroute to Hawaii from West Coast to carry reinforcements, though that's gonna take awhile.

NoPac:  The Allies will either get a crack at enemy carriers or they'll be in a position to reinforce forward, which is useful.

DEI:  Mini KB at Billiton Island, stationed there to finish off Repulse, no doubt.  A Dutch unit landed at Cocos, bringing the AV to 60.  A Brit brigade lands tomorrow, which should take the AV to 180.  I'll land a second brigade if there's room.  I want to hold this island or force John to come very hard if he is going to deny it to me.  John isn't moving fast on Singapore.  On Luzon, the Allies are dispersed between Manila, Clark and Bataan.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/14/2012 6:00:06 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/14/2012 7:11:35 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/14/2012 8:50:24 PM   
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DEI:  Stringbags sortied against enemy combat ships near Batavia, scoring a few bomb hits on BB Fuso, but revealing an interesting notation in the report " Chokai sunk."  This dovetails with a comment by John in his email that he had made a "bonehead play."  I also heard the sound of an enemy vessel hitting a mine, so putting all that together suggests a catastrophic sequence of events for that cruiser.  If so, that's the first enemy combat vessel to go under.  Elsewhere, one Brit brigade is ashore at Cocos with another a day away.  That Allied AV here will be 300+, which is sufficient for my purposes.  That base will be tough for John to take.  He has landed and taken Merak, Java, and is landing at Oosthaven.  The guy is moving fast.

Malaya:  Imperial Guards is moving down the peninsula.  The various reports of IJA divisions hither and John all point to a fairly straightforward move on the main targets (Luzon, Malaya, Sumatra, Java, etc.), which is good news for NoPac, Hawaii, Oz and India short term.  Singapore is good on supplies at the moment and will have about 1,000 AV or more when all the troops finally pull back.

SWPac:  A USN sub torpedoed an AKE near Truk.  Based on the "sinking sounds," I think she went under.  That's a pretty signal achievement, if I understand the Japanese OOB (the scarcity - and importance - of those ships).

SoPac:  Ent and Lex continue NE and will pass between Baker and Christmas.  In IJN sub keeps interacting with the carrier's patrols, so John may be getting a good feel for what's going on.

CenPac:  The IJN invasion force has stood down at Midway.  The CD badly damaged an xAK and an AMC.  Two USN combat TFs are enroute, along with two DM TFs.

NoPac:  The IJN carrier TF has vacated the area, I think.  It does not appear that John intends to pull a PzH on me in this theater, which is fine by me.  Having the IJ present in force on the Canadian islands poses many different problems for the Allies.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/14/2012 9:45:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can confirm that nailing an AKE is a terrible blow. Unless RA gives him more, Japan only starts with two AKEs and a marginally useful ARD. He can convert more, and smart JFBs always do, but it takes a year to finish the conversions. Nice! Chokai is also nice.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/15/2012 6:18:53 AM   
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The various reports of IJA divisions hither and John ...

One of those things editors put in to see if the reader is paying attention?

Cribtop - Not sure where you are getting the info on one year for AKE conversions. I pulled up Scenario 1 and checked the first five cargo ship classes in Tokyo harbour. All can be converted to AKEs as follows:
Aden Class - 21 days available 12/41
Toho Class - 21 days available 2/42
Husimi Class - 30 days available 3/42
Kyushu Class - 30 days available 4/42
Yusen Class - 21 days available 5/42
I find it hard to believe that a different scenario would stretch it out to a year. IJN AS and AV conversions take six months in scenario one. I never found a candidate for AE conversion but that should not be a really long process - add some cranes for underway ammo transfers and your AKE is an AE.

Thought I should bring it up since CR may make a judgement call about how soon the enemy can reload based on the info.

Perhaps the year time frame was because all the xAKs were committed to amphib operations for the first year of war and could not be spared for conversion?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/15/2012 3:24:06 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/15/2012 4:12:47 PM   
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Cocos Island:  A Christmas present to Japan.  An IJN combat TF showed up unexectedly and trashed two transports carrying much of a UK brigade.  That hurts!  I had previously split up the TF into separate TFs for each brigade, then I subdivided that, sending in the first brigade successfully, but the Japs caught part one of the second brigade.  This will excite John's desire to deal with Cocos, though he may not realize it already has 200+ AV ashore.  Trailing his combat TF was his Mini KB, which trashed a TF of small transports (empty) fleeing Java.  An ugly day made possible because Allied patrols didn't pick up the carriers or combat TF. My patrols only reported invasion TFs at Oosthaven and Merak.  PoW TF and another combat TF are to the SE of Cocos and will pull back a bit.

SoPac:  The Pearl Harbor-branch of the KB is way down near Noumea now.  There's no prey anywhere close, but I love knowing the KB is this far away since I don't have to worry about my carriers bumping into them in the next week or two.

CenPac:  Midway has apparently held.  I think the Japanese invasion force is trashed, possibly out of supply and somewhat over the garrison limit of 6,000.  So John really can't bring in reinforcements.  If he wants the island, he'll have to send in a bombardment TF.  I wouldn't be surprised if he also detailed the NoPac KB to provide cover (that TF withdrew west from the Aleutians several days ago).  The Allies are scurrying to take advantage of what could be a nice opportunity.  The first DM TF dropped off 160 mines with a second TF coming in tongiht.  Two combat TFs (not real strong) are in the vicinity.  Ent and Lex are a bit south of Palmyra and moving north to rendezvous with replenishment ships south of Pearl.  Sara may leave San Diego tomorrow.  York is still about four days off.  A small amphibious TF is loading part of a Marine CD unit at Pearl.

NoPac: The Allies will gear up to do some reinforcing in NoPac.  If the IJN carrier force diverts from here to Midway, we can handle this without carrier escorts.  If the INJ carries stay up here or if I'm unsure, I can detail the American CVs once I'm satisfied with the situation at Midway.



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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/15/2012 4:42:00 PM   
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So John really can't bring in reinforcements. If he wants the island, he'll have to send in a bombardment TF


I would not make that assumption CR. With the same stacking restrictions in a recent Allied invasion of Wake Island my first waves were totally trashed. Thus, I landed a lot more troops, 3X the stacking limits in fact, to dislodge very pesky IJA units. This decision was at the expense of a much higher supply draw and the side effects therein, but it can be done assuming the risk of the consequinces vs. benifits. The IJ could very well decide to do both -- bring in another unit or two and combine that with a amphibious bombardment. I might even contend that this is a good operational technique as subsequent waves seem to not take as much disruption from an amphib landing [or it could be that one risks another die roll that could randomly be better .. either way I find this techique works.

The real problem in my opinion is getting the stuff back off the island/atoll to redeploy. Overstacked and low port levels means multiple loadings/TF's and a lot of time to get the disrupted/disabled/destroyed squads from these units replensihed.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/15/2012 5:03:15 PM   
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So John really can't bring in reinforcements. If he wants the island, he'll have to send in a bombardment TF


I would not make that assumption CR. With the same stacking restrictions in a recent Allied invasion of Wake Island my first waves were totally trashed. Thus, I landed a lot more troops, 3X the stacking limits in fact, to dislodge very pesky IJA units. This decision was at the expense of a much higher supply draw and the side effects therein, but it can be done assuming the risk of the consequinces vs. benifits. The IJ could very well decide to do both -- bring in another unit or two and combine that with a amphibious bombardment. I might even contend that this is a good operational technique as subsequent waves seem to not take as much disruption from an amphib landing [or it could be that one risks another die roll that could randomly be better .. either way I find this techique works.

The real problem in my opinion is getting the stuff back off the island/atoll to redeploy. Overstacked and low port levels means multiple loadings/TF's and a lot of time to get the disrupted/disabled/destroyed squads from these units replensihed.

Plus the invader can evacuate a trashed unit(s) simultaneous with landing a fresh one(s). The subsequent landings do not seem to incur the same wrath that first landings do.

Either way, good news on thwarting them!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/15/2012 6:10:11 PM   
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Plus the invader can evacuate a trashed unit(s) simultaneous with landing a fresh one(s). The subsequent landings do not seem to incur the same wrath that first landings do.


That would be now N=2 for observing this behavior. I have shifted my atoll attack to landing the force required to stick but not necessarily enough to take the atoll [about 1.5 times the stacking limit] then the next waves come in for the serious action of ejecting the defenders.



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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/15/2012 11:41:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Chickenboy is correct. My brain somehow transposed AR for AKE. You can quickly convert a lot of AKEs, but ARs take a year.

I probably messed up because my own ARs are finally about done at Tokyo and I'm all excited.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/16/2012 1:14:23 AM   
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Chickenboy is correct. My brain somehow transposed AR for AKE. You can quickly convert a lot of AKEs, but ARs take a year.

I probably messed up because my own ARs are finally about done at Tokyo and I'm all excited.

At my age, I completely understand brain farts, but what is this excitement thingy??

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/16/2012 3:25:27 AM   
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Perhaps the real question is how geeky you have to be to get excited about completing a virtual ship conversion in a computer game you've been playing for more than a year!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/16/2012 3:34:06 AM   
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Hee, hee.....now that I think we can all empathize with!  We are a bit strange in a common, forum sort of way.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2012 8:38:28 PM   
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CenPac:  The Allies are working on the possibility of an advantageous carrier battle.  Midway's patrols just reported a Mini KB about seven hexes SSW (true), carrying 34 F, 56 B, 10 A.  Lex and Ent are midway between Palmyra and Pearl, refueling.  They will steam NW in hopes of taking on the enemy carriers, which I think are probably covering for a landing at Midway.  (I may not have mentioned that the Marines eradicated the Japanese amphibious troops on Midway, so John basically has to start from scratch.)  Saratoga leaves SD tonight.

NoPac:  This theater should be fairly open now, so the Allies hope to be able to beef up the garrisons at Kodiak and Anchorage, though I need some PP before I can buy the necessary troops.

SoPac:  The Pearl Harbor Branch of the KB is at Efate after making it as far south as Fiji.

DEI:  The DEI Branch of the KB is NW (true) of Cocos Island.  It might be covering for an invasion of Cocos or it might raid further west, towards Diego, Ceylon or Port Blair.  Enemy combat ships caught up with a couple more TF fleeing Java, doing in most of an assortment of low-value ships.  I had to pull Force Z and my other combat TF away from the KB threat, but now they're moving back towards Soerabaja.

China:  Nothing major since last report.  The Chinese are beginning to reach the various MLR positions.

Synopsis:  John has pushed very fast and very far thorugh the DEI and into the Indian Ocean.  I'd like to make him pay for his boldness.  I hope his Mini KB will indeed hang around Midway for a few days.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2012 8:44:01 PM   
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(I may not have mentioned that the Marines eradicated the Japanese amphibious troops on Midway, so John basically has to start from scratch.)


Hmm, no, you hadn't. In fact, you were saying that the Japanese troops there were over the stacking limit. How'd you manage to wipe them out so fast?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2012 8:52:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only thing I can think of is that they were out of supply.  John landed some kind of "special amphibious division" that may be peculiar to Reluctant Admiral.  The troops had 160+ AV and should have squashed the Midway garrison.  A couple of attacks went bad, then a third attack went very bad.  So I ordered a counterattack yesterday.  It resulted in 13 squads destroyed, none damaged.  At the end of the turn, the message "eliminated by attrition" was generated.  Voila, we somehow won a little campaign we shouldn't have won.

What do you think about Lex and Ent going up against this Mini KB?  I think it consists of three CVLs, but I can't be absolutely positive.  My two carriers are toting more aircraft, but not a whole lot more.  But I will probably move some of the carrier squadrons to Midway, and then forward some of the Pearl squadrons to the carriers.  It's a risk, but I'm going to take it if John doesn't retire, though the soonest it could happen is probably two or three days out.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2012 9:21:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a gamble, but probably a good calculated risk, especially if you can add some LBA to Midway. John likes to separate his carriers. Make him pay for that. Be durn sure he only has what you think he has, but three CVLs sounds consistent with a Mini-KB, and minis are notoriously vulnerable. They are sort of like an armored car - king of the battlefield until real tanks show up.

Question that may change the risk-reward - are you still flying Buffaloes or do you have Wildcats?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2012 9:42:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The only thing I can think of is that they were out of supply.  John landed some kind of "special amphibious division" that may be peculiar to Reluctant Admiral.  The troops had 160+ AV and should have squashed the Midway garrison.  A couple of attacks went bad, then a third attack went very bad.  So I ordered a counterattack yesterday.  It resulted in 13 squads destroyed, none damaged.  At the end of the turn, the message "eliminated by attrition" was generated.  Voila, we somehow won a little campaign we shouldn't have won.

What do you think about Lex and Ent going up against this Mini KB?  I think it consists of three CVLs, but I can't be absolutely positive.  My two carriers are toting more aircraft, but not a whole lot more.  But I will probably move some of the carrier squadrons to Midway, and then forward some of the Pearl squadrons to the carriers.  It's a risk, but I'm going to take it if John doesn't retire, though the soonest it could happen is probably two or three days out.


If CVL they have Zeroes and not Claudes, right?

Biggest risk to me is the Kates and a Glen-equipped seeing you coming.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2012 10:38:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The only thing I can think of is that they were out of supply.  John landed some kind of "special amphibious division" that may be peculiar to Reluctant Admiral.  The troops had 160+ AV and should have squashed the Midway garrison.  A couple of attacks went bad, then a third attack went very bad.  So I ordered a counterattack yesterday.  It resulted in 13 squads destroyed, none damaged.  At the end of the turn, the message "eliminated by attrition" was generated.  Voila, we somehow won a little campaign we shouldn't have won.

What do you think about Lex and Ent going up against this Mini KB?  I think it consists of three CVLs, but I can't be absolutely positive.  My two carriers are toting more aircraft, but not a whole lot more.  But I will probably move some of the carrier squadrons to Midway, and then forward some of the Pearl squadrons to the carriers.  It's a risk, but I'm going to take it if John doesn't retire, though the soonest it could happen is probably two or three days out.


If CVL they have Zeroes and not Claudes, right?

Biggest risk to me is the Kates and a Glen-equipped seeing you coming.

I think CVL Ryujo may start out with Claudes but can swap them out if it returned to a major base after the initial attacks around the Philippines.

Another possible gain is interception of the amphib TF that MKB is covering - as long as it does not divide your attack on MKB.
Putting DBs on Midway is good. So is off-loading the Devastators and loading them up with bombs for a run at 1000 feet. They miss a lot of CAP at that altitude and can be surprisingly accurate at that level. Who cares if they get chewed by AA!

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