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Yorktown Sunk :( - 12/28/2012 6:54:22 PM   
catwhoorg


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Status: offline 		So I lost my first carrier - The Yorktown went down near Midway, but its (and the Big E's) planes took out the Kaga (and Maybe the Akagi, certainly its out of commission for a while).

This leads me to the first of a couple of questions.
Yorktown's surviving planes, landed at Midway and are showing as /1 type fragments (eg VB-5/1) and not allowing replacements (or even group Withdrawal). As the main fragment went down with the ship, is the group basically stuck in this limbo forever ?

The second question is about air unit withdrawls. I have a group 20th PG/79th PS with P40B Warhawks, due for withdrawl in 2 days. The Disband group button is available, but the withdraw group button is not. Is this normal ?
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RE: Yorktown Sunk :( - 12/28/2012 7:46:34 PM   
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So I lost my first carrier - The Yorktown went down near Midway, but its (and the Big E's) planes took out the Kaga (and Maybe the Akagi, certainly its out of commission for a while).

This leads me to the first of a couple of questions.
Yorktown's surviving planes, landed at Midway and are showing as /1 type fragments (eg VB-5/1) and not allowing replacements (or even group Withdrawal). As the main fragment went down with the ship, is the group basically stuck in this limbo forever ?

The second question is about air unit withdrawls. I have a group 20th PG/79th PS with P40B Warhawks, due for withdrawl in 2 days. The Disband group button is available, but the withdraw group button is not. Is this normal ?


Does the Yorktown fragment have an OOB button? If so, see if there are other fragments elsewhere, maybe another carrier.

Do the Warhawks have a (P) in the withdraw date line at the top left? If so they are a Permanent withdrawl; IOW they're going to the ETO. All you can do is disband them. The airframes are leaving the theater. They don't go back to your pools.

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RE: Yorktown Sunk :( - 12/28/2012 8:24:54 PM   
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Thats what the OOB shows for the fragment.

Yes the other unit had a [P] - thanks for that.

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RE: Yorktown Sunk :( - 12/28/2012 8:31:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		You need to go to the "destroyed airgroups" button in available airgroups I believe. If you want anything other than the fragment you need to spend PP to reactivate that unit since its listed as "destroyed"

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RE: Yorktown Sunk :( - 12/28/2012 8:41:56 PM   
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Thats what the OOB shows for the fragment.

Yes the other unit had a [P] - thanks for that.


Does Midway meet the requiremnts to take aircraft replacements? 20,000 supply, more than a week since last draw, etc? I think there's a hover/tool tip now for that if you're playing the latest official patch or later.

Edit: better, more complete checklist is in Manual section 16.2. A basic question, but are there planes of this model in the pool? Are replacements set to "On"? Also note that land bases ony check for air replacements 2 of every 3 days.


Why it won't let you withdraw the fragment I'm unsure of.

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RE: Yorktown Sunk :( - 12/28/2012 9:33:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fragments of destroyed air groups won't take replacements. I'd buy back the destroyed air group. You can use the Hellcats later in the game.

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RE: Yorktown Sunk :( - 12/29/2012 12:00:21 AM   
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Fragments of destroyed air groups won't take replacements. I'd buy back the destroyed air group. You can use the Hellcats later in the game.


Why can't he withdraw it?

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RE: Yorktown Sunk :( - 12/29/2012 12:11:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Orphaned fragments can be disbanded in to like groups, rather than restore the parent. I tend to NOT recover CV groups unless I need them for a new CV ship.
If you do disband the CV fragment, make sure that the new group is also carrier trained or you may lose that ability from the disbanded CV fragment.

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RE: Yorktown Sunk :( - 12/29/2012 1:11:14 AM   
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You need to go to the "destroyed airgroups" button in available airgroups I believe. If you want anything other than the fragment you need to spend PP to reactivate that unit since its listed as "destroyed"


I see it on that list. I assume there is a delay before I can buy it back

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RE: Yorktown Sunk :( - 12/29/2012 1:33:18 AM   
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Orphaned fragments can be disbanded in to like groups, rather than restore the parent. I tend to NOT recover CV groups unless I need them for a new CV ship.
If you do disband the CV fragment, make sure that the new group is also carrier trained or you may lose that ability from the disbanded CV fragment.


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RE: Yorktown Sunk :( - 12/29/2012 7:54:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		If CV goes down, all airgroups it was carrying are destroyed. Fragments can escape, but parent is always destroyed.

If you have enough planes to fill existing groups, you can use this fragment as extra, until it will lose all planes.

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RE: Yorktown Sunk :( - 12/29/2012 4:12:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		On those permanently withdrawn USAAF units, one thing you can save from them is the pilots. If you want the pilots, send them all to RESERVE before you withdraw the unit. You can also, in some cases, save the planes by "upgrading" to a type you don't want. For example, you can "upgrade" from P-38E to P-39, so you save the P-38s and the P-39s get withdrawn. Not all of these units can upgrade though.

But you should save any good pilots, and you should also be using these units to train pilots before they go

This will allow you to build a reserve of trained pilots during 1942

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