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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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ORIGINAL: composer99

If the map you are referring to is the one used to display convoy lines, then I believe it is much too large-scale to show rail lines.

So you’re saying that you can show the convoy connections between sea zones but are unable to show the connections through countries?

The countries could be handled exactly like a sea zone with a number in a box showing the number of resources shipped through the country in question.



Since “Rail Lines” are only notated on the tabular list here is another problem for you.

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13.6.1 Resources
Transporting resources by sea
A side can only ship 5 resources a turn into, and/or out of, each minor port.

What if you attempt to more than 5 resources through a minor port? Is there a message advising that you are attempting to exceed capacity?

Once a port's capacity has been reached, the port is no longer considered a possible node on the resource's path to its destination.

How do players know this has occured are they informed of this?

Nothing special is done. How do players handle it in an over-the-board game?

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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ORIGINAL: composer99

If the map you are referring to is the one used to display convoy lines, then I believe it is much too large-scale to show rail lines.

So you’re saying that you can show the convoy connections between sea zones but are unable to show the connections through countries?

The countries could be handled exactly like a sea zone with a number in a box showing the number of resources shipped through the country in question.



Since “Rail Lines” are only notated on the tabular list here is another problem for you.

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13.6.1 Resources
Transporting resources by sea
A side can only ship 5 resources a turn into, and/or out of, each minor port.

What if you attempt to more than 5 resources through a minor port? Is there a message advising that you are attempting to exceed capacity?

Once a port's capacity has been reached, the port is no longer considered a possible node on the resource's path to its destination.

How do players know this has occurred are they informed of this?

Nothing special is done. How do players handle it in an over-the-board game?

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Yep. Same in MWIF.

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ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur

you know the rules ...

you will NEVER be able to play Mwif in a effect way, without knowing the rules ..

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4.2 Reinforcements
WHERE DO REINFORCEMENTS GO

Put your on-map naval reinforcements into a PORT you control in the unit’s home country. However, you can place 1 convoy point a turn in either a Commonwealth home country other than the United Kingdom or an aligned (not conquered) minor country [Note: this is only possible if you are playing with Ships in Flames].

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Yes. It is very handy for the CW (possibly the US too) to get a CP out to the pacific or asia maps in a hurry. Also for Germany to get a CP into the Black Sea after the one Rumania owns is destroyed.

Long ago we initially read that rule as applying only to the CW and then realized later it applies to everyone.

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4.2 Reinforcements
WHERE DO REINFORCEMENTS GO

Put your on-map naval reinforcements into a PORT you control in the unit’s home country.

However, you can place 1 convoy point a turn in an aligned (not conquered) minor country or a Commonwealth home country other than the United Kingdom [Note: this is only possible if you are playing with Ships in Flames].

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Anyone ever use this rule?

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4.2 Reinforcements
WHERE DO REINFORCEMENTS GO

Put your on-map naval reinforcements into a PORT you control in the unit’s home country. However, you can place 1 convoy point a turn in either a Commonwealth home country other than the United Kingdom or an aligned (not conquered) minor country [Note: this is only possible if you are playing with Ships in Flames].

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Anyone ever use this rule?

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4.2 Reinforcements
WHERE DO REINFORCEMENTS GO

Put your on-map naval reinforcements into a PORT you control in the unit’s home country. However, you can place 1 convoy point a turn in either a Commonwealth home country other than the United Kingdom or an aligned (not conquered) minor country [Note: this is only possible if you are playing with Ships in Flames].

In the game that Aaron played solitaire, he wanted the Germans to put a convoy in the Caspian Sea to keep his units moving east thereof in supply.

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19.7 Axis minor countries
Persia and Iraq
Germany can declare that Persia or Iraq is aligning with it during any Axis declaration of war step if that minor is neutral and there are a total of at least 4 German corps in any adjacent countries (excluding the USSR and Turkey).

Italy can declare that Persia or Iraq is aligning with it during any Axis declaration of war step if that minor is neutral and there are a total of at least 4 Italian corps in any adjacent countries (excluding the USSR and Turkey).

Germany has first claim if both of them could make these declarations.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Perhaps you should see my post in 2004 ~ Mziln proposes the USSR conquer Persia

Patrice and I were both looking at this and exchanging strategies at the time.


And I still say the USSR can take out Persia and then it would no longer be aligned or controlled by Japan. Even if Japan DoW's the USSR as you had suggested.

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ORIGINAL: brian brian
When France falls the CW has to execute a somewhat delicate maneuver of moving the convoys to the Faeroes Gap sea zone, but this is not all that hard to do using HQs (frequently Alexander's first mission before departing the UK) their at-start ATR, and perhaps a spare bit of naval lift not otherwise shuttling troops around the world.

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ORIGINAL: composer99

Agreed with brian brian: Bay of Biscay begins 1939 games further from German naval power than Faeroes' Gap, which makes a big (10%) difference in Germany's chances of finding the convoys.

I would differ with him in terms of timing the transfer: IMO the time to perform the shift of convoys is just after the tipping point in the battle for France, when Germany still needs to call a few land impulses to capture Paris (or swarm the French countryside in an attempt to conquer France) and the German fleets (sub & surface) have yet to relocate to the French Atlantic ports.

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ORIGINAL: WiFFE-RAW-7.0.pdf
11.4 Naval movement

INTO AND OUT OF PORT
When you move a unit out of a port, you must spend its first point to move it into a surrounding sea area (e.g. naval units in Amsterdam must move directly into the North Sea).

There are three special cases:
Although Kiel is a coastal hex on the Baltic Sea; you can move naval units directly to Kiel from the North Sea and vice versa.
Although Suez is a coastal hex on the Red Sea; you can move naval units directly to Suez from the Eastern Mediterranean and vice versa.
Although Panama City is a coastal hex on the Gulf of Mexico, you can move naval units directly to Panama from the Caribbean, and vice versa provided the Panama Canal is not closed to you.

Similarly, a naval unit can only move into a port from the surrounding sea area. It could continue moving but, if it ends the naval move in port, turn it face down (for convoy points, use a “CP used” marker instead).

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and CP's cannot stay at sea

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ORIGINAL: composer99

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I don't follow. How does that relate to shifting convoy lines from Bay of Biscay to Faeroes' Gap?

The convoy points start at sea in Bay of Biscay in any given impulse, naval move to port, become disorganized as a result, get reorganized during the pertinent step, and naval move back out to sea during a future impulse.

Why would 'CP used' markers be required for MWiF?

I do not understand this line:

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and CP's cannot stay at sea

Are you suggesting that your reading of the rules indicates CP don't stay at sea at all? I assume I am misunderstanding you here.

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ORIGINAL: ORIGINAL: WiFFE-RAW-7.0.pdf
13.4 Return to base

Units at sea can return to base during this step. If they do, they will be available to sail again in the next turn. Those that stay at sea will only be able to stay in the sea-box next turn or sail back to a port.

Units may return to base during naval movement, after aborting from combat and during this step. You return units to base like a normal naval move except in reverse.

Each unit returning to base is limited by its movement allowance (reduced for the sea-box section it is occupying) and by its range.

A unit MUST return to base during this step if it is:
• any unit (except convoy points) of a NEUTRAL major power; or
• a TRS with a cargo on board; or
• any unit (except convoy points) in the 0 section.

Any other of your units can return to base if you like. Convoy points can stay at sea even if they are in the 0 section. If they do return to base, they won’t be able to convoy resources in the production step of this turn.

Both sides (side with initiative first) must decide which units to return to base and which to keep at sea.

If you decide to keep a unit at sea, you must immediately move it into the next lower section of the sea-box. If you decide to return it to base, move it into the surrounding sea area but, for reference, keep it next to the sea-box section it came from.

After both sides make these decisions, units return to base (active side first). They can be intercepted (see 11.4.6) but only by units staying at sea. Only the intercepted units, units staying at sea and aircraft that fly naval interception can take part in an interception combat.

If intercepted, you must attempt to fight through from the ‘0’ box.


11.4 Naval movement
HOW DOES A UNIT PATROL?
When a naval unit stops in a sea area, it is patrolling. To show this, you must put it into that area’s sea-box. You can put it in any section of the sea-box, which has a (unmodified) search number less than or equal to the unit’s unused MOVEMENT ALLOWANCE. [This is different from the system used for naval air missions.]

stay at sea as in
A unit can only be in one section of a sea-box at a time. Other units could be in the same or different sections of the sea-box.

Convoy points can only ‘patrol’ in the 0 section of the sea-box, even if they have unused movement points.

If a unit started its naval move out of supply (see 2.4.2 Tracing supply), turn it facedown when it reaches a sea-box section.

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

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A unit MUST return to base during this step if it is:
• any unit (except convoy points) of a NEUTRAL major power; or
• a TRS with a cargo on board; or
• any unit (except convoy points) in the 0 section.

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A unit MUST return to base during this step if it is:
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• any unit (except convoy points) in the 0 section.

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ORIGINAL: ORIGINAL: WiFFE-RAW-7.0.pdf
13.4 Return to base

Units at sea can return to base during this step. If they do, they will be available to sail again in the next turn. Those that stay at sea will only be able to stay in the sea-box next turn or sail back to a port.

Units may return to base during naval movement, after aborting from combat and during this step. You return units to base like a normal naval move except in reverse.

Each unit returning to base is limited by its movement allowance (reduced for the sea-box section it is occupying) and by its range.

A unit MUST return to base during this step if it is:
• any unit (except convoy points) of a NEUTRAL major power; or
• a TRS with a cargo on board; or
• any unit (except convoy points) in the 0 section.

Any other of your units can return to base if you like. Convoy points can stay at sea even if they are in the 0 section. If they do return to base, they won’t be able to convoy resources in the production step of this turn.

Both sides (side with initiative first) must decide which units to return to base and which to keep at sea.

If you decide to keep a unit at sea, you must immediately move it into the next lower section of the sea-box. If you decide to return it to base, move it into the surrounding sea area but, for reference, keep it next to the sea-box section it came from.

After both sides make these decisions, units return to base (active side first). They can be intercepted (see 11.4.6) but only by units staying at sea. Only the intercepted units, units staying at sea and aircraft that fly naval interception can take part in an interception combat.

If intercepted, you must attempt to fight through from the ‘0’ box.