Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Empire101

Well if the question had been say;

'What was the first of the Revenge class of battleship to have anti torpedo bulges fitted',

then yes, you would be right Mr. W.
That sadly though, is not the case is it!

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Jimm

No one should EVER read the When? thread. It's just asking for grief.

warspite1

That's not true Jimm, its fun here - see post 3139, they 'ave great quizzes an' everyfing!

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ORIGINAL: Jimm

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Jimm

No one should EVER read the When? thread. It's just asking for grief.

warspite1

That's not true Jimm, its fun here - see post 3139, they 'ave great quizzes an' everyfing!

I should have added, "without a sense of [perspective/humour/destiny/grim inevitability/masochism - delete or insert your own as appropriate]

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Jimm

You may be delerious.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Jimm

You may be delerious.

warspite1

Yes..that happens when spending too much time in the When? thread

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ORIGINAL: Empire101

No...not HMS. Ramilles unfortunately.

Here is a clue....

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ORIGINAL: bo



I really do not want to start a p**s war again but I have to take exception to that crap about the AI holding things up for two and a half years that's plain bull crap, and I am tired of you so called special people here who only care for the game to be released for your little pleasure and the hell with all the other war gamers at Matrix and Battlefront who just might desire an AI good or bad.

After a few years of fighting for a decent AI, I have surrendered to the powers that be and just maybe some of the blame for the delay could be put on the shoulders of the WIF purists that roam around here now and then, because the game has to be exactly as the board game which I am sure has caused Steve enough headaches for this endeavor. I am not saying Steve would have it any other way but I wager he was under a lot of pressure from certain people that the game had to be PURE BOARD GAME WIF!

I could care less about that stuff I just want to see a good computer war game done reasonably well with most of the WIF features in it in a short period of time. And hopefully this game when done will remain on our computers for many years to come.

How many games do we have sitting on the shelves that we will never play again because their playability has long since been used up. I believe this game when finished will never get on that shelf.

Bo

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ORIGINAL: addo

As the topic suggest when? As most of the members of this forum all I would like is ball park date please.
I know it is a complex game system but it has been a looong time coming I have been following it for at least nine years , date or even a year would be nice.
Cheers.

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

Denmark? Denmark? I'm living in the Netherlands, Bo...

But I agree a little with what you are saying regarding the AI. It might be a tool to learn new players to play WiF.
However, I also agree with Omnius, that AI on wargames tend to end up a total mess, easy to overcome.

AI isn't that important to me too, since I'm going to play the game using Netplay with my buddies around the Netherlands (and hopefully with you some day too, just for fun, you know...).

However, I got the feeling that Steve might give us a big surprise with his AI for the game in a couple of years, because I'm getting the impression that he's done some pretty good thinking about it while coding this game...

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ORIGINAL: rmdesantis


I agree as well about the AI - to me, it's not about having a strong opponent, but given the complexity of the game it would allow people (even someone like me who has not played WIF for some years because of my job) to better understand the rules by playing a few turns against an AI that did know the rules. I read the forums each week and I am in awe at the detailed knowledge of people about some of the minutia in the rules currently, and I also see that there are heated debates about the interpretations of those same rules that people have developed/evolved over the years. That's probably to be expected as most people play the game in isolated pockets with friends and have come to a common understanding about how to interpret the rules - even though a similar group in another location might interpret those same rules differently. An efficient AI would, at the very least, bring people together onto a common platform for understanding the finer points of the rules, regardless if the AI was a reasonable opponent.

I know that Netplay is now going to be in the initial release, but for me I was hoping for PBEM. Time differences are a killer for me and I was hoping to use PBEM (along with Netplay when the stars aligned and people could make a common time appointment) to enjoy the game again. I understand that PBEM will be a future enhancement (if it comes at all) which I find disappointing, but I'm not going to fall on my sword over it because the real prize is getting the game - a solid, robust implementation of WIF - out the door and into the hands of eager players.

Mike

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ORIGINAL: rmdesantis

All good points about PBEM, but there are times in the game when one player has a lot to do. I don't see any need to be online with others while we are working out our upcoming production, for instance. Being able to do more of the transactional work by PBEM and keeping the Netplay time to when you really need to interact seems the cleanest way I see to play the game. But I appreciate that Netplay is easier to accommodate from a game-play standpoint.

Mike

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ORIGINAL: rmdesantis

All good points about PBEM, but there are times in the game when one player has a lot to do. I don't see any need to be online with others while we are working out our upcoming production, for instance. Being able to do more of the transactional work by PBEM and keeping the Netplay time to when you really need to interact seems the cleanest way I see to play the game. But I appreciate that Netplay is easier to accommodate from a game-play standpoint.

Mike

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

The concept with PBEM is to have a set of "Standing Orders" that can be edited each turn and accompany the game file so that a lot of the back-and-forth decision-making could be eliminated. Many WiF players are micro-managers though, and then you'd end up exchanging lots of emails. Solitaire, Hot Seat and Netplay are the easiest to implement to start out with.

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ORIGINAL: Edfactor

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

The concept with PBEM is to have a set of "Standing Orders" that can be edited each turn and accompany the game file so that a lot of the back-and-forth decision-making could be eliminated. Many WiF players are micro-managers though, and then you'd end up exchanging lots of emails. Solitaire, Hot Seat and Netplay are the easiest to implement to start out with.

I am not going to let some standing order decide when to intercept and where to send defensive ground support for me.

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Edfactor

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

The concept with PBEM is to have a set of "Standing Orders" that can be edited each turn and accompany the game file so that a lot of the back-and-forth decision-making could be eliminated. Many WiF players are micro-managers though, and then you'd end up exchanging lots of emails. Solitaire, Hot Seat and Netplay are the easiest to implement to start out with.

I am not going to let some standing order decide when to intercept and where to send defensive ground support for me.

Then your PBEM games are going to take a lot of emails. There are 8 air missions in each impulse and at least one of the enemy major powers might send bombers or ATRs that you could intercept.

Your opponent won't know what your standing orders are until after he commits his bombers/ATRs to a mission (the program enforces that rule).

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ORIGINAL: bo

Wow Omnius, I am a jerk, I have limited intelligence, spoiled brat purist, you must have been talking to my wife again only she knows that about me .

One of the problems on posts is that people read into a post only what they want to tear apart, they do not read the whole post. You have only been posting since June 2012 so maybe you missed the AI war 2 or 3 years ago. My exception to your post is the comment of the two or two and a half years that the AI ate up of Steve's time, a wasted time according to you if that is what Steve was actually doing. Your not a beta tester so where did your information come from?

No one ever said any AI is any good, even though Steve will put out a decent AI. I look at the AI as a practice tool, something I can try different tactics against preparing myself to play against the elite board game players that reside on these forums.

If we can lets be a little practical about game play, we have solo play which to tell you the truth I am surprised that it plays so well, we have hot seat but there's no one in my area that plays this type of game they play Combat Mission and COD2. So what does that leave me, PBEM, not practical IMHO.

Aha net play, now lets see Jose lives in Spain, Warspite lives in England, Peter lives in Denmark, Bjorn lives in Sweden, and many more fine posters here but all of these players are five to six hours different from me, not easy to get a game with them due to time zones.

That is how I look at the AI, not as an end all, just a tool. And I would appreciate it if you became a little more civil.

Thank you

Bo

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

Bo, I think you're rating yourself to low and others to high...

6 months of training in solitaire will get you absolutely nowhere in this game. The only way to learn this, is to play it against human opponents. Solitaire will not do, I'm afraid. Solitaire will make you learn the basics and that's it. You still make the mistakes and don't get trashed for it during solitaire playing. So find human opponents, the moment this comes unto the market and start trashing them (and be prepared to get trashed, too...).

WiF is a game in which players always make mistakes. There isn't any game of WiF in which I didn't say at one point to myself: "did I do that? Why? Am I that stupid?".

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I have never lost in solitaire, I am 7 and 0, undefeated,

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ORIGINAL: composer99

bo:

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I have never lost in solitaire, I am 7 and 0, undefeated,

And that despite the skill, guile, and devilish cunning of your formidable opponent.