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Movie Source - 2/8/2001 7:50:00 PM   
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I came across this site in one of the latest PC gaming magazines. They have for sale a very large collection of movies from, and for all time periods. http://www.belleandblade.com

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- 2/8/2001 7:54:00 PM   
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This is a great site, and i have purchased a number of movies from them. I recommend that you order at least one movie from them because they will send you their catalog at no extra charge......the catalog is awesome.

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- 2/8/2001 11:59:00 PM   
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I read about them in PC gamer also - just went and ordered "Winter War" and the original "Stalingrad". I have the new "Stalingrad" but the old one is supposed to be even better! Now, "Das Boot" is currently intrenched in my #1 favorite movie spot, but I hear "Winter War" will give it a run for it's money. We'll see! ------------------ Don

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- 2/9/2001 3:37:00 AM   
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Originally posted by Don: Now, "Das Boot" is currently intrenched in my #1 favorite movie spot, but I hear "Winter War" will give it a run for it's money. We'll see!
Hi, I am a DAS BOAT fan too. I saw that film in the TV parts version which is longest than the film which sumurise it. Do you know where I can find the long version ? Other question, except for Red October and USS Alabam I already have, did you heard about good submarine war films ? I am much interested in Gruvan ------------------ New here

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- 2/9/2001 4:25:00 AM   
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Hello all - - - To Gruvan - - - there's U571 from Universal , it's not a must in your colection but it's ok - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------ A sorte protege os audazes

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- 2/9/2001 9:41:00 AM   
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Hi Gruvan, I think everybody sells the new "Director's Cut" of Das Boot - even Amazon! I'm no expert on sub movies, but one I hated with a passion was "U-571". I truly did not like it, and if you see it, just rent it. From horrible casting to totally unbelieveable events, you'll be firing up "Das Boot" as quick as you can to try and forget it. I did anyway! ------------------ Don

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- 2/9/2001 12:40:00 PM   
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DAS BOOT, greatest sub film ever made, the TV series was wonderful. Had me on the edge of my seat all the way through. Always had a lot of respect for UBoat crews. i may be wrong but I seem to remeber that they had the highest (%-wise) casualty rate of any service in WW2. U-571 is an awful film (and thats excluding my very angry views on the distortion of History) ------------------ peter@myhelliconia.freeserve.co.uk http://www.myhelliconia.freeserve.co.uk

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- 2/9/2001 7:38:00 PM   
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Originally posted by Gruvan: Other question, except for Red October and USS Alabam I already have, did you heard about good submarine war films ? I am much interested in
I have always been partial to "Enemy Below" WWII US DE vs U-boat. From the other side "The Cruel Sea", then there are all those US Sub Movies, "Destination Toyko", "Wake of the Wahoo", "Run Silent, Run Deep".

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- 2/10/2001 3:34:00 AM   
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I believe there was a show on PBS about a German sub off the Atlantic coast of the US. They said that the life expectancy of a German crew is about 2 months during the later part of ww2.

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- 2/10/2001 5:36:00 AM   
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Originally posted by Gruvan: Hi, I am a DAS BOAT fan too. I saw that film in the TV parts version which is longest than the film which sumurise it. Do you know where I can find the long version ? Gruvan
The DVD includes the regular and full length versions, some 4 hours for the long one and can be picked up rather cheaply. I paid 14.99 for my copy. Johnny Bravo

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- 2/10/2001 6:14:00 AM   
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Well for all the trashing of the Movie U-571 i have heard that it was better than the first 570 sub movies .....{S rimshot) Actually the U S Navy did capture U- 505 in a planed raid to get code books ..the raid was planed ..if they could depth charge a sub to the surface..and hey it worked ..it was in 1944 i believe .. The Brits did raids on weather ships to get code books and tried to capture subs they had some success early on in '41 and 42 so as hollywood as the movie may have seen ,and the sub on sub combat was ridiculous, .. the overall theme was Historical ...

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- 2/10/2001 7:48:00 AM   
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Hi Sarge, U-571 may be judged more harshly by people like me who have Das Boot - but I think it's rated pretty poorly by everyone. Yes, the US did capture an Enigma machine, but not in any way that this movie depicts. I have yet to see an older sub movie that I wouldn't watch any day than braving that one again! Don

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- 2/10/2001 9:10:00 AM   
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IMO U571 does a great disservice to all the servicemen who participated in the 'Battle of the Atlantic'. Its attempt to condense a part of the war, which actually covered several events over several years, in one single episode is insulting. The non-historical presentation of an important historical event trivializes the roles of the actual participants. The Enigma story WRT the 'Battle of the Atlantic' begins with the pioneering efforts of Polish mathematicians in 1932. By 1939, the Poles had already BUILT fifteen German Enigma machines and gave one each to Britain and France. The problem facing the codebreakers was getting the daily settings of the wheels - this is where the brave acts on the high seas come in. The first captureof a U-Boat was the capture of U-110 on May 9, 1941. A boarding party from HMS Bulldog boarded the U-110 after its crew had abandoned her and the scuttling charges had failed to go off. The U-Boat captain, after noticing the failure of the charges, attempted to swim back to his boat whereupon he was shot by the boarding party (isn't this similar to the desperate attempts of the U-Boat captain in U-571 to destroy his own ship?). The boarding party removed an Enigma machine (although they didn't know what it was, they assumed it had to be a cryptographic machine of some sort) and all the documents they could find (the much more valuable event). The actual capture of the first Naval Enigma machine had been done in March 1941 during the British raid on the Norwegian Lofoten Islands when one was captured from the armed trawler 'Krebs'. This only allowed the British a 'window' for a few months where they were able to decipher the German transmissions. Capturing more documents from the vulnerable German weatherships provided the British with a more easily accessible source of cipher material and helped extend this window. This continued until February 1942 when the Germans altered their Enigma machine by adding another cipher wheel. The second capture of a U-Boat was the U-570 (that's pretty close to U-571 isn't it?) by a Coastal Command Hudson bomber on August 27, 1941. After being damaged with depth charges, the U-Boat surrendered to the bomber via signal lights. The Hudson circled the U-Boat until relieved by a Catalina and later an armed trawler. The third and final capture of a U-Boat was the U-505 by the USS Pillsbury (a destroyer, not a submarine)on June 4, 1944 (finally the Americans get involved). This capture was effected by the boarding party actively defusing the scuttling charges and securing the boat. Although the decoding machine and cipher documents were captured intact, the actual effect of this was to confirm that the Allies were ahead of the Germans - The Allies were in possession of decoded German documents that the U-505 had not recieved yet. I don't mean to minimize the brave efforts of these sailors in capturing this vessel, but their accomplishment at this time only confirmed what the Allies already knew. You find that the movie is thus a conglomeration of several events with some very active 'creative writing'. This additional 'Hollywood' effect detracts from any merit the movie has by creating totally unbelievable conditions -ie. having a 1/2 dozen English speaking sailors able to fully operate a German submarine which is normally run by 44 fully trained men. Thus instead of honoring the men of any one of the actual events I've outlined above by historically depicting that event, they create myths that todays children will believe for years to come. This is exactly the sort of thing that leads to those people who say that events like the Holocaust never happened. ------------------ 'Bitter Mike'

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- 2/10/2001 10:12:00 AM   
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Well said Mike, i wish I could have simered down long enough to assemble all that info and write that message myself. However this film just plain annoys me so much i can't be civil about it. Just for the reasons you gave above, it trivialises and detracts from the TRUE heroics of the war. ------------------ peter@myhelliconia.freeserve.co.uk http://www.myhelliconia.freeserve.co.uk

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- 2/10/2001 12:40:00 PM   
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I'm really had to get that off my chest. I've been simmering about it for months since I read a review of the movie and then when I saw it (along with a bunch of fellow sailors), and saw the preposterousness of the movie - well - it just stank too. The only good thing I have to say about it is that the underwater warfare special effects were pretty good. It wouldn't have been bad if it was just a pro-American propaganda film - they could have used the event of the capture of U-505 and pushed their flag waving just as much. It wouldn't have been bad if it was just a fictionalized action during the war - 'Run Silent, Run Deep' is a good movie to watch even though it doesn't represent a real event. It's real problem is that it's a fictionalized account of a real event which misleads the viewers as to who the real credit for the events should go to. It would be the same as having a movie protraying that it was a British unit which stopped the Germans at Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge. Not only that, but that everything was portrayed so unrealistically as I pointed out WRT running the U-Boat. It was just a bad movie. ------------------ 'Bitter Mike'

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- 2/10/2001 1:00:00 PM   
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LOL ok ok gee.... been my experience that anything i ever knew anything about, that was ever made into a movie, was totaly screwed up anyway ... well meaning ...but totally wrong ...but some of the stuff I know about ..I don't think ANY outsider could even come close to comprehending and translating into a story that would make sense , espcially something like a movie.. closest i have ever seen to getting my field on Film was Dr Strangelove ..and even with that i can't watch it around otherfolks because i laugh in all the wrong spots .and grimice when they laugh in the really wrong places ....

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- 2/11/2001 12:52:00 AM   
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AHHH!! 'Dr Strangelove'- One of my favourite movies. Probably not for the same reasons that you laughed at - watching a movie that deals with something which is in your field of knowledge tends to make you pick out the things that are wrong instead of enjoying the movie for the movie's sake. I've learned to curb most of my nit-picking at movies because it tends to aggravate the other people that are watching the movie But when you see something that is absolutly sacriligious you just have to say something. My father, who was a cop, hated watching police shows on TV, but he loved 'Barney Miller' - Why? Because it depicted a police squad the way it really was, not because it was hyped up to attract better ratings. One of my favourite movies is "Kelly's Heroes" - It certainly doesn't fit the scale of historical accuracy but it points out the absurdities that military personnel have to deal with to get the job done. 'Saving Private Ryan' has holes that you can drive a truck through WRT historical accuracy, but it's aim is to depict the horror of war as initmately as possible to the audience, something that it achieves quite well IMHO. 'U-571' combined historical inaccuracy, poor techinical advice, mediocre acting with patriotic posturing which not only angered every non-American naval veteran but made for a poor movie as well. I mean even 'Independance Day' with its 'Americans Save The World Again' flagwaving was at least enjoyable to watch, you only had to put up with one bad element ------------------ 'Bitter Mike'

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