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88mm bug - 3/11/2013 9:59:51 PM

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The issue has been mentioned before, but the devs did not react...

I've run a combat with a german inf div with flak regiment attached to it (the ones that cost 50 admin pts) vs a soviet tank div, in clear weather and terrain

The div has 95 7.92mm ATR rifles and they massacred the T-26 at range 50: something like 95% of 80+ tank losses (that's not far from a1:1 ratio, a bit exagerated IMO)

The 60 88mm guns did not fire once. Zero casualties. Yet, they were there, and close enough to the action, as one even got destroyed by a ... Soviet MMG.

This is no statistical accident. It has been mentioned before, these guns, the most feared tank-killers of WWII, simply don't fire.

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RE: 88mm bug - 3/11/2013 10:16:13 PM

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RE: 88mm bug - 3/11/2013 11:11:40 PM

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How do you get these units away from cities anyhow? I see them in the Commander's screen but can't figure out how to move them.

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RE: 88mm bug - 3/12/2013 3:44:17 AM

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50 ap.

Click on Berlin then hit the X - 50 AP.

They had been working great pushing back 3 SHC infantry Corp in swamps/woods ect, but seems the 300+ 20 mm's and 200+ 88 mms dont fire at planes or troops any more.

88's were used in an ART roll also and they don't do that hehehehe

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RE: 88mm bug - 3/12/2013 4:05:43 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39c0-3AEpY0

88's were on wheels and could be fired from the wheels position as AA/AT or artillery
It took 2 mins to set them up.

So in a AA role they should be firing and even in a offensive AT role they should fire some.

Also 88's were used as artillery the game does not reflex that aspect at all.

They are not doing anything.

The 20 mm AA guns were used effectivly in a ground support role and vs low fling air craft so again none were firing.

If you read any first hand accounts of German units fighting oon the eastern front it was common for both sides to use AA and artillary in a direct fire role.

Most infantry weapons range is 300 yards tops. I am guessing 88's 20 mm's and allot of russian weapons range was more then that.

So again 500+ AA guns should be doing something other then looking good. The combat engine should be more about mordern warfare and not retreat losses.

Tanks/guns/AA need to have some impact on combat, at present they have very very little.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_cm_Flak_30/38/Flakvierling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88mm

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RE: 88mm bug - 3/12/2013 6:50:50 AM

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Playing both sides and it does seem that german flak has a problem shooting at aircraft.

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