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ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur

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ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur


no offence, I have already done most of those write ups.

who decided they were no good

I have done the Australians, south Africa, Denmark, Poland, NZ

just went though those write ups. and none of them are mine.

and looking though the rest of the ones I remembered I did. they are not mine either

so basic.... all my work have been erased.

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ORIGINAL: Gendarme

Just a note concerning Two Italian units:

The Eug Filiberto corps was printed incorrectly in the original game. I believe this corps is supposed to be named after a renaissance era Duke of Savoy and military hero, Emanuele Filiberto, who led King Philip II of Spain's army to victory over the French at Saint Quentin in 1557, bringing an end to the Italian wars and ending French involvement in Italy for some time. There is no Eug Filiberto in the House of Savoy (Italy's Royal Family from 1860), but there was of course Prince Eugene of Savoy who served the Habsburgs against the Turk and then the French armies of the Sun King in the late 1600s to early 1700s.

As a side note, both the Germans and Italians hold Eugene as a military hero, the Germans because he fought for Austria, the Italians because he was a Savoy. Hence, the KM has the CA Prinz Eugen and the RM has the Eugenio di Savoia.

Also, another unit is misspelled, I believe. It is the Mizza cavalry corps. There was a Nizza cavalry regiment, and that was probably what was intended when the counter was first created.

I know it will contradict original wif, but can we correct these misnamed Italian units for Matrix wif please? Thanks.

Anthony DeChristopher

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ORIGINAL: Gendarme

Of course, I forgot about the Duca d'Aosta! Father of the Duke of Aosta who ended up as Viceroy of Africa Orientale. The corps is probably named after the WWI general. He was the more recent Emanuele Filiberto and no doubt better known. How archaic would it have been to name a unit after someone from four centuries past. Even if the Testa di ferro was also a famous soldier. There's a great equestrian statue of the Duke in Torino, the Caval d'brons I believe. He's in a beautiful suit of full armor with sword raised. On his horse's bridle can be seen the Savoia motto, FERT.

I know, wildly off topic. Don't jump on me.

Anthony DeChristopher

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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ORIGINAL: Gendarme

Of course, I forgot about the Duca d'Aosta! Father of the Duke of Aosta who ended up as Viceroy of Africa Orientale. The corps is probably named after the WWI general. He was the more recent Emanuele Filiberto and no doubt better known. How archaic would it have been to name a unit after someone from four centuries past. Even if the Testa di ferro was also a famous soldier. There's a great equestrian statue of the Duke in Torino, the Caval d'brons I believe. He's in a beautiful suit of full armor with sword raised. On his horse's bridle can be seen the Savoia motto, FERT.

I know, wildly off topic. Don't jump on me.

Anthony DeChristopher

I see it as totally on topic as we are discussing unit descriptions after all.

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ORIGINAL: Gendarme

Of course, I forgot about the Duca d'Aosta! Father of the Duke of Aosta who ended up as Viceroy of Africa Orientale. The corps is probably named after the WWI general. He was the more recent Emanuele Filiberto and no doubt better known. How archaic would it have been to name a unit after someone from four centuries past. Even if the Testa di ferro was also a famous soldier. There's a great equestrian statue of the Duke in Torino, the Caval d'brons I believe. He's in a beautiful suit of full armor with sword raised. On his horse's bridle can be seen the Savoia motto, FERT.

I know, wildly off topic. Don't jump on me.

Anthony DeChristopher

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The 1st Polish Infantry Division was officially titled the 1st Legions Infantry Division (Polish: 1. Dywizja Piechoty Legionów abbreviated 1DPL).

The Polish Army 1st, 2nd, and 3rf infantry divisions were given "Legion" status. The Legion designation was a reference to the Polish Legions that fought for the Austro-Hungarian Army in World War I and for the newly formed Polish state against the Soviets in the 1920's.

The 1DPL consisted of the following:
1st Legions Infantry Regiment,
5th Legions Infantry Regiment,
6th Legions Infantry Regiment,
(Each Infantry Regiment consisted of a headquarters and three infantry battalions.)

1st Legions Light Artillery Regiment
1st Heavy Artillery Detachment

An organic cavalry squadron,
31st bicycle company,
1st motorized Anti-aircraft battery,
31st Heavy machine-gun company (horse-drawn),
1st Engineer Battalion,
1st Signals Company (telephone).

1939
In March the 1DPL was partially mobilized under the command of Major-General Wincenty Kowalski. Where it was deployed north of Warsaw Under Operational Group Wyszków to shield the northern approaches to Warsaw from German assault from East Prussia.

Germany invaded Poland on September 1 and on September 4 the 1DPL completed its mobilization and came into contact with the Germans in the forests around Długosiodło to the north of Warsaw. 1DPL managed to retain most of its combat effectiveness whike delaying the German forces in a number of skirmishes and battles along the Narew river and near the town of Różan.

September 7 after the battle for Pułtusk where the Poles were outnumbered 3 to 1 the 1DPL was ordered to retreat southwards. Durring the retreat Major-General Kowalski managed not only to withdraw most of his forces, but also to rally the defeated forces of Modlin Army and Independent Operational Group Narew crowded near the bridge in Wyszków. Thanks to Kowalski's actions, 2 divisions and (33rd Infantry and 41st Infantry), as well as the Mazowiecka Cavalry Brigade were not only rallied but also safely transported to the other side of the Bug River. 1DPL then withdrew to the area between Wyszków and Kamieńczyk, and successfuly defened the line there. 1DPL sfter being reinforced by 98th Heavy Artillery Detachment and 61st Light Artillery Detachment repelled a German assault on Brańszczyk. 1DPL started to slowly move southwards while performing delaying actions and keeping its combat readiness almost intact.

September 11 the German forces seized the town of Kałuszyn cutting off 1DPL.

September 13 1DPL brakes through enemy lines and retaks the city in what became known as the battle of Kałuszyn.

Despite heavy losses on the Polish side, Major-General Kowalski managed to yet again rally a large part of his forces and continued his move towards Włodawa, Lublin and Lwów.

September 18 and 19th near Chełm 1DPL (then reduced to merely a regiment after two weeks of constant fights against numerically and technically superior enemy) is reorganized and reinforced with an improvised detachment under Stanisław Tatar. From there 1DPL proceeded towards Tomaszów Lubelski.

September 21 German panzers and the German 8th Infantry Division successfuly break through the Polish lines at Falków.

September 22 at the battle of Falków, 1DPL arrived at Tomaszów Lubelski. Outnumbered, lacking artillery, supplies, food and reduced to not more than a regiment.

September 23 the assault on Tarnawatka by 1DPL was stopped and wounded Major-General Kowalski was taken prisoner of war by the Germans.

The Germans nicknamed 1DPL the Iron division.

Note: the Polish armies in exile, at various times operating with the British, French, and Russian armies, were organized and equipped as per their host army.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

NOTE: In 1939 I can find no reference to Anti-tank units attached to 1DPL infantry regiments or Radio units directly attached to 1DPL.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

.P In addition to the Infantry component, the division also contained:
.P
.B A organic cavalry squadron

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ORIGINAL: Gendarme

Just a note concerning Two Italian units:

The Eug Filiberto corps was printed incorrectly in the original game. I believe this corps is supposed to be named after a renaissance era Duke of Savoy and military hero, Emanuele Filiberto, who led King Philip II of Spain's army to victory over the French at Saint Quentin in 1557, bringing an end to the Italian wars and ending French involvement in Italy for some time. There is no Eug Filiberto in the House of Savoy (Italy's Royal Family from 1860), but there was of course Prince Eugene of Savoy who served the Habsburgs against the Turk and then the French armies of the Sun King in the late 1600s to early 1700s.

As a side note, both the Germans and Italians hold Eugene as a military hero, the Germans because he fought for Austria, the Italians because he was a Savoy. Hence, the KM has the CA Prinz Eugen and the RM has the Eugenio di Savoia.

Also, another unit is misspelled, I believe. It is the Mizza cavalry corps. There was a Nizza cavalry regiment, and that was probably what was intended when the counter was first created.

I know it will contradict original wif, but can we correct these misnamed Italian units for Matrix wif please? Thanks.

Anthony DeChristopher

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

An organic unit is a military unit that is a permanent part of a larger unit and (usually) provides some specialized capability to that parent unit. For instance, the US Marine Corps incorporates its own aviation units (distinct from the US Air Force and US Navy) that provide it with fire support, electronic warfare, and transport.

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.P In addition to the Infantry component, the division also contained:
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.B A organic cavalry squadron
.B A bicycle company (31st)
.B A Light Artillery Regiment (1st Legions)
.B A Heavy Artillery Detachment (1st)
.B An Anti-aircraft battery (1st motorized)
.B A Heavy machine-gun company (31st)
.B An Engineer Battalion (1st)
.B A Telephone and Radio Company

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Would you like me to respond to your "Lucca" garrison problem? Ask nicely and I'll give you some links to ponder.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Italian Army divisions ~ BRIGATE NERE 36th "Benito Mussolini" - Lucca

16th CAVALLEGGERI DI LUCCA Motorized Cav Rgt

Lucca Brigade

Lucca Brigade:
163rd Infantry Regiment
164th Infantry Regiment
48th CCNN Legion
48th CCNN Battalion

12 August 1944 at Sant'Anna di Stazzema, Lucca

The published order by the German Commandant, General Kesselring, was that for every German killed by partisans 10 Italians selected at random would be shot. Here is just a flavour of many similar public notices: German 5 Corps, 1 S, No. 391, of 9 August 1944: '(c) If crimes of outstanding violence are committed, especially against German soldiers, an appropriate number of hostages will be hanged. In such cases the whole population of the place will be assembled to witness the executions. After the bodies have been left hanging for 12 hours, the public will be ordered to bury them without ceremony and without the assistance of any priest.' (see pages 316-327 of 'War In Italy 1943-1945 — A Brutal Story' by Richard Lamb (published by John Murray, 1993) for the full text of this order and many other chilling documents).
Most certainly these were not empty threats, mere bluff and bluster. On 12 August 1944 at Sant'Anna di Stazzema, Lucca, 560 civilians were massacred and on 26 September 31 men were publicly hanged at Bassano del Grappa. These are but two out of many such brutal incidents.

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ORIGINAL: Jimm

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Italian Army divisions ~ BRIGATE NERE 36th "Benito Mussolini" - Lucca

16th CAVALLEGGERI DI LUCCA Motorized Cav Rgt

Lucca Brigade

Lucca Brigade:
163rd Infantry Regiment
164th Infantry Regiment
48th CCNN Legion
48th CCNN Battalion

12 August 1944 at Sant'Anna di Stazzema, Lucca

The published order by the German Commandant, General Kesselring, was that for every German killed by partisans 10 Italians selected at random would be shot. Here is just a flavour of many similar public notices: German 5 Corps, 1 S, No. 391, of 9 August 1944: '(c) If crimes of outstanding violence are committed, especially against German soldiers, an appropriate number of hostages will be hanged. In such cases the whole population of the place will be assembled to witness the executions. After the bodies have been left hanging for 12 hours, the public will be ordered to bury them without ceremony and without the assistance of any priest.' (see pages 316-327 of 'War In Italy 1943-1945 — A Brutal Story' by Richard Lamb (published by John Murray, 1993) for the full text of this order and many other chilling documents).
Most certainly these were not empty threats, mere bluff and bluster. On 12 August 1944 at Sant'Anna di Stazzema, Lucca, 560 civilians were massacred and on 26 September 31 men were publicly hanged at Bassano del Grappa. These are but two out of many such brutal incidents.

Thanks Extraneous. A couple of these are interesting links I hadn't seen before.

On initial glance the Brigate Nera unit fits quite well. I was aware of the motorised cav regiment but didn't really think that it tallied with a garrison corps.
The "Lucca Brigade" looks a bit suspect as this is from a WW1 oob and at first check through I cant see the regiments in the 1940 list- although they may have reformed later of course.

The Lucca massacre is also useful.

I'll do some more reading through.

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ORIGINAL: Gendarme

Hey Jmm,

I also forgot there was the Celere division named after Testa di Ferro. I haven't studied this material in a long while. So it does indeed look like the wif mot corps is just an extension of the then-existing Italian division, based on wif naming other corps after what were only divisions, like Folgore or Libia (which were infantry divs btw, not mech). The designers did it for flavor. Like adding fresh basil to a good marinara sauce...

Anthony DeChristopher

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Could game grognards please check what I have said is correct re the Commonwealth control?

[2801 Polish Guards Armoured Army]
.P This counter, available from 1943, represents the Polish armies-in-exile that
fought for the Allies following the defeat of Poland.
.P Polish troops fought with both the Western Allies and the Soviet Union during
World War II, although this counter is available to the United Kingdom only in
World In Flames (Poland is a minor country controlled by the Commonwealth).
.P After the fall of Poland, a number of Poles were able to escape to France.
Plans were put in place to create two Polish corps that would be equipped by the
French and be placed under their command. These plans were incomplete by the time
the Germans invaded France in May 1940. However Polish units that were ready
fought in the French Campaign and also the equally ill-fated Norwegian Campaign,
where they assisted the capture of the port of Narvik.
.P Following the defeat of France, around 20,000 Poles escaped to the United
Kingdom where they were incorporated within the British Army command structure in
September 1940 as the Polish 1st Corps.
.P A second Polish Corps was created in the Middle East in 1943, mostly from Poles that had been
placed in labour camps in the Soviet Union, but who were later released following
the German invasion of Russia in June 1941. One of the core components of the 2nd
Corps was the 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division. This division was built up around
the Polish Independent Carpathian Rifle Brigade, a unit that had been formed
in 1940 in French controlled Syria as part of the Polish Army in France. The
Carpathian Brigade gave sterling service with the British Army in North Africa -
including the siege of Tobruk.
.P Polish units fought alongside their British and Commonwealth allies in all the
major western theatres - North Africa and Italy (2nd Corps) and France (1st
Corps). For the campaign in northwest Europe, the 1st Armoured Division fought as
part of the 2nd Canadian Army, while the 1st Independent Parachute Brigade was
part of the First Allied Airborne Army, and took part in the Arnhem operation.
.P The major units of each of the corps was as follows:
.B 1st Corps - commanded by Lt-General Mieczyslaw Boruta-Spiechowicz (1943 until
1945 and thereafter by Lt-General Stanislaw Maczek)
.B 1st Armoured Division
.B 1st Independent Parchute Brigade
.B 16th Independent Armoured Brigade.
.P
.B 2nd Corps - commanded by Lt-General Wladyslaw Anders
.B 2nd Armoured Brigade
.B 3rd Carpathian Infantry Division
.B 5th Kresowa Infantry Division

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Could game grognards please check what I have said is correct re the Commonwealth control?

[2801 Polish Guards Armoured Army]
.P This counter, available from 1943, represents the Polish armies-in-exile that
fought for the Allies following the defeat of Poland.
.P Polish troops fought with both the Western Allies and the Soviet Union during
World War II, although this counter is available to the United Kingdom only in
World In Flames (Poland is a minor country controlled by the Commonwealth).
.P After the fall of Poland, a number of Poles were able to escape to France.
Plans were put in place to create two Polish corps that would be equipped by the
French and be placed under their command. These plans were incomplete by the time
the Germans invaded France in May 1940. However Polish units that were ready
fought in the French Campaign and also the equally ill-fated Norwegian Campaign,
where they assisted the capture of the port of Narvik.
.P Following the defeat of France, around 20,000 Poles escaped to the United
Kingdom where they were incorporated within the British Army command structure in
September 1940 as the Polish 1st Corps.
.P A second Polish Corps was created in the Middle East in 1943, mostly from Poles that had been
placed in labour camps in the Soviet Union, but who were later released following
the German invasion of Russia in June 1941. One of the core components of the 2nd
Corps was the 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division. This division was built up around
the Polish Independent Carpathian Rifle Brigade, a unit that had been formed
in 1940 in French controlled Syria as part of the Polish Army in France. The
Carpathian Brigade gave sterling service with the British Army in North Africa -
including the siege of Tobruk.
.P Polish units fought alongside their British and Commonwealth allies in all the
major western theatres - North Africa and Italy (2nd Corps) and France (1st
Corps). For the campaign in northwest Europe, the 1st Armoured Division fought as
part of the 2nd Canadian Army, while the 1st Independent Parachute Brigade was
part of the First Allied Airborne Army, and took part in the Arnhem operation.
.P The major units of each of the corps was as follows:
.B 1st Corps - commanded by Lt-General Mieczyslaw Boruta-Spiechowicz (1943 until
1945 and thereafter by Lt-General Stanislaw Maczek)
.B 1st Armoured Division
.B 1st Independent Parchute Brigade
.B 16th Independent Armoured Brigade.
.P
.B 2nd Corps - commanded by Lt-General Wladyslaw Anders
.B 2nd Armoured Brigade
.B 3rd Carpathian Infantry Division
.B 5th Kresowa Infantry Division

Although there are no spelling or grammatical errors I do question your sources.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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ORIGINAL: Gendarme

Just a note concerning Two Italian units:

The Eug Filiberto corps was printed incorrectly in the original game. I believe this corps is supposed to be named after a renaissance era Duke of Savoy and military hero, Emanuele Filiberto, who led King Philip II of Spain's army to victory over the French at Saint Quentin in 1557, bringing an end to the Italian wars and ending French involvement in Italy for some time. There is no Eug Filiberto in the House of Savoy (Italy's Royal Family from 1860), but there was of course Prince Eugene of Savoy who served the Habsburgs against the Turk and then the French armies of the Sun King in the late 1600s to early 1700s.

As a side note, both the Germans and Italians hold Eugene as a military hero, the Germans because he fought for Austria, the Italians because he was a Savoy. Hence, the KM has the CA Prinz Eugen and the RM has the Eugenio di Savoia.

Also, another unit is misspelled, I believe. It is the Mizza cavalry corps. There was a Nizza cavalry regiment, and that was probably what was intended when the counter was first created.

I know it will contradict original wif, but can we correct these misnamed Italian units for Matrix wif please? Thanks.

Anthony DeChristopher

Filiberto corps could have been named after Prince Emanuele Filiberto, Duke of Aosta who led the Italian Third Army (Armata invitta ~ "undefeated army") in WWI.

Prince Emanuele Filiberto, Duke of Aosta was made a Maresciallo d'Italia (Marshal of Italy) by Benito Mussolini in 1926.

And you are correct about Mizza/Nizza and it was decided to ask Harry Roland about this but there have been no post on any results.

Keep up the good work Gendarme

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Could game grognards please check what I have said is correct re the Commonwealth control?

[2801 Polish Guards Armoured Army]
.P This counter, available from 1943, represents the Polish armies-in-exile that
fought for the Allies following the defeat of Poland.
.P Polish troops fought with both the Western Allies and the Soviet Union during
World War II, although this counter is available to the United Kingdom only in
World In Flames (Poland is a minor country controlled by the Commonwealth).
.P After the fall of Poland, a number of Poles were able to escape to France.
Plans were put in place to create two Polish corps that would be equipped by the
French and be placed under their command. These plans were incomplete by the time
the Germans invaded France in May 1940. However Polish units that were ready
fought in the French Campaign and also the equally ill-fated Norwegian Campaign,
where they assisted the capture of the port of Narvik.
.P Following the defeat of France, around 20,000 Poles escaped to the United
Kingdom where they were incorporated within the British Army command structure in
September 1940 as the Polish 1st Corps.
.P A second Polish Corps was created in the Middle East in 1943, mostly from Poles that had been
placed in labour camps in the Soviet Union, but who were later released following
the German invasion of Russia in June 1941. One of the core components of the 2nd
Corps was the 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division. This division was built up around
the Polish Independent Carpathian Rifle Brigade, a unit that had been formed
in 1940 in French controlled Syria as part of the Polish Army in France. The
Carpathian Brigade gave sterling service with the British Army in North Africa -
including the siege of Tobruk.
.P Polish units fought alongside their British and Commonwealth allies in all the
major western theatres - North Africa and Italy (2nd Corps) and France (1st
Corps). For the campaign in northwest Europe, the 1st Armoured Division fought as
part of the 2nd Canadian Army, while the 1st Independent Parachute Brigade was
part of the First Allied Airborne Army, and took part in the Arnhem operation.
.P The major units of each of the corps was as follows:
.B 1st Corps - commanded by Lt-General Mieczyslaw Boruta-Spiechowicz (1943 until
1945 and thereafter by Lt-General Stanislaw Maczek)
.B 1st Armoured Division
.B 1st Independent Parchute Brigade
.B 16th Independent Armoured Brigade.
.P
.B 2nd Corps - commanded by Lt-General Wladyslaw Anders
.B 2nd Armoured Brigade
.B 3rd Carpathian Infantry Division
.B 5th Kresowa Infantry Division