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OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/3/2013 4:30:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Warning - probable deaths depicted (inside the tank)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Rav1mDb6U

That's one ballsy guy right there. Just wow.

Sucks for the guys in the tank. Can someone with personal experience tell me if my impression that the tank crew should've been a little bit more aware of their surroundings is correct/incorrect? I know tanks are in general weak to infantry at close range, without supporting infantry of their own, because of the obvious problems with not having 360' visibility. And this tank doesn't have any buddies around, but...shouldn't someone in the tank have seen him if they'd been paying attention?

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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/3/2013 5:45:41 PM   
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Warning - probable deaths depicted (inside the tank)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Rav1mDb6U

That's one ballsy guy right there. Just wow.

Sucks for the guys in the tank. Can someone with personal experience tell me if my impression that the tank crew should've been a little bit more aware of their surroundings is correct/incorrect? I know tanks are in general weak to infantry at close range, without supporting infantry of their own, because of the obvious problems with not having 360' visibility. And this tank doesn't have any buddies around, but...shouldn't someone in the tank have seen him if they'd been paying attention?



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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/3/2013 6:01:17 PM   
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hmmm, muslim recruiting video..




Dude... This is low. First of all you could say "islamist" recruiting video, rather than muslim in general if that is what you meant. Second what is the proof that it is islamists ? The guys are arabs and say "god is great" ? Great... it is a very common occurence to say that still in Middle east when you are just a regular muslim. For what we know the guys might be regular resistance force against the Assad Regime, or islamists, but it is not quite clear and your generalising comment is to put it mildly, not appropriate.

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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/3/2013 6:37:56 PM   
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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/3/2013 6:50:00 PM   
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The tank remains completely immobile even after the first granade...i guess it was empty

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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/3/2013 6:54:17 PM   
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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/3/2013 7:12:05 PM   
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hmmm, muslim recruiting video..




Dude... This is low. First of all you could say "islamist" recruiting video, rather than muslim in general if that is what you meant. Second what is the proof that it is islamists ? The guys are arabs and say "god is great" ? Great... it is a very common occurence to say that still in Middle east when you are just a regular muslim. For what we know the guys might be regular resistance force against the Assad Regime, or islamists, but it is not quite clear and your generalising comment is to put it mildly, not appropriate.


Yeah, I didn't watch with the sound on. I don't want to discuss anything about the sound, the title of the video, the Youtube comments, or whatever else. All I want to know about is the plausibility of this actually happening.

It also brings up realism "concerns" for those of us who will just use armour units in-game without any support, just driving them around willy-nilly because the game doesn't model this kind of thing ;).

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Wow, you're actually linking to this garbage here?

There's another one for the "Blocked Users" list.


I've noticed you've been rather grumpy in your posts over the last day or two. See above, I don't have any desire to bring whatever politics or motivation may be behind this video.

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Don't those russian tanks have some sort of MGs to protect against infantry?
The tank remains completely immobile even after the first granade...i guess it was empty


This is exactly what I wanted to talk about. I've heard tanks are weak against exactly this kind of assault, but I mean really?

I'm unsure if the tank was unoccupied, as the first discharge from the barrel looks like the gun was fired. But you'd think that somebody would get out of what looks to be an open turret hatch?

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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/3/2013 7:31:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Doesnt look like anyone was in the tank, if there were prob talking on the radio. When first grenade went off, it weaken the the barrel inward then second really punch a hole through inward.

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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/3/2013 7:46:46 PM   
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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/3/2013 8:38:56 PM   
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Warning - probable deaths depicted (inside the tank)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Rav1mDb6U

That's one ballsy guy right there. Just wow.

Sucks for the guys in the tank. Can someone with personal experience tell me if my impression that the tank crew should've been a little bit more aware of their surroundings is correct/incorrect? I know tanks are in general weak to infantry at close range, without supporting infantry of their own, because of the obvious problems with not having 360' visibility. And this tank doesn't have any buddies around, but...shouldn't someone in the tank have seen him if they'd been paying attention?

Are you seriously asking if anyone irl has done one of your 12 yearold FPS thingys?? Dude, you need to seriously go back to school. And then you need to go to at least the second year of ROTC. Your little Internet game things are pretty worthless. Was it done - no, it wasn't; don't give a rat's ass what marvel comics says. Get a grip on reality. It will help you after you finish middle school.

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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/3/2013 9:29:24 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB6uZOGaeR4
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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/3/2013 9:54:13 PM   
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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/3/2013 9:58:38 PM   
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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/3/2013 9:59:56 PM   
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Warning - probable deaths depicted (inside the tank)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Rav1mDb6U

That's one ballsy guy right there. Just wow.

Sucks for the guys in the tank. Can someone with personal experience tell me if my impression that the tank crew should've been a little bit more aware of their surroundings is correct/incorrect? I know tanks are in general weak to infantry at close range, without supporting infantry of their own, because of the obvious problems with not having 360' visibility. And this tank doesn't have any buddies around, but...shouldn't someone in the tank have seen him if they'd been paying attention?

Are you seriously asking if anyone irl has done one of your 12 yearold FPS thingys?? Dude, you need to seriously go back to school. And then you need to go to at least the second year of ROTC. Your little Internet game things are pretty worthless. Was it done - no, it wasn't; don't give a rat's ass what marvel comics says. Get a grip on reality. It will help you after you finish middle school.


Wow, you're disrespectful . I told you I didn't have any direct knowledge, and was asking for some. You go on to assume I'm 12 and in middle school for asking such a question. Are you in middle school in the Caribbean or something? I'm just guessing from the style and content of your post.

Somebody should give you a medal for arsehood. How about you provide some evidence instead of just flaming me out with "no it wasn't done, you're stupid." I know they didn't work very well (or at all, really), but the sticky grenades the British had were designed for use by infantry against tanks. Don't you know that, or did you forget your ROTC education? Geez. As I recall, they ended up being more hazardous to the would-be user than any tanks.

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As a matter of fact my great uncle got some badges for destroying tanks as an infantry soldier. Before antitank weapons for infantry were introduced, soldiers had to kill tanks by other means. My uncle told me, that from 3 guys attacking a tank usually one to two were killed or injured. They used mines or "geballte Ladungen".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB6uZOGaeR4
He was injured several times and lost some fingers while blowing up Soviet tanks.


Thanks Frank, that's good to know.

It's also worth clarifying that my impression about unsupported tanks being vulnerable to infantry assumes a level of technology present that includes man-portable antitank weapons - not just some guy running up to a tank and chucking a grenade down the barrel.

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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/4/2013 2:16:05 AM   
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If the breech was closed, why would a grenade explosion be more likely to rupture the barrel than a shell being fired? My guess is the guys inside would be fine.


Yep. The grenade fragments would likely pit the inside of the barrel something fierce, but if the breechblock was closed, the blast would be directed outward.

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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/4/2013 2:48:52 AM   
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It was for the destruction of an enemy tank with a non anti-tank weapon ie a satchel charge,a magnetic mine[for which they developed a
defense of their own called zimmerite,a layer of textured cement applied to the verticle surfaces of their tanks]
or a grenade bundle.It came in 2 grades silver and gold.The record was 23 tanks destroyed.
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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/4/2013 3:50:15 AM   
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If the breech was closed, why would a grenade explosion be more likely to rupture the barrel than a shell being fired? My guess is the guys inside would be fine.


Yep. The grenade fragments would likely pit the inside of the barrel something fierce, but if the breechblock was closed, the blast would be directed outward.


What if there was an HE round loaded into the tank's cannon when a grenade was dropped into the far end? Couldn't a fragment detonate the round, blowing out the breech and resulting in an enflagration within the turret?

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hmmm, muslim recruiting video..




Dude... This is low. First of all you could say "islamist" recruiting video, rather than muslim in general if that is what you meant. Second what is the proof that it is islamists ? The guys are arabs and say "god is great" ? Great... it is a very common occurence to say that still in Middle east when you are just a regular muslim. For what we know the guys might be regular resistance force against the Assad Regime, or islamists, but it is not quite clear and your generalising comment is to put it mildly, not appropriate.

ok, islamic terrorist recruiting video...

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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/4/2013 4:30:32 AM   
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The germans actually produced a cloth "Tank Destruction Badge" that was worn on the right sleeve.
It was for the destruction of an enemy tank with a non anti-tank weapon ie a satchel charge,a magnetic mine[for which they developed a
defense of their own called zimmerite,a layer of textured cement applied to the verticle surfaces of their tanks]
or a grenade bundle.It came in 2 grades silver and gold.The record was 23 tanks destroyed.
When I get home I can give you his name.


That's impressive.

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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/4/2013 8:56:28 AM   
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All in all about 13000 such badges were earned by infantry soldiers of the Wehrmacht, which means they destroyed that number of tanks or armored vehicles.
Kills achieved by PAK or teams of soldiers were not counted!

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What if there was an HE round loaded into the tank's cannon when a grenade was dropped into the far end? Couldn't a fragment detonate the round, blowing out the breech and resulting in an enflagration within the turret?


Would depend on how the HE round was primed. I know some US grenades used by grenade launchers are primed mid-flight by the centrifugal force the spinning grenade produces. I assume some HE rounds use similar methods to prime the shell mid-flight, but more than likely most are primed by the tanks loaders when the shell goes into the breach. If the shell was primed, then a grenade blast in the barrel could easily set it off.

But these days shells have so many different firing mechanisms, it would take a military arms master to know what all of them needed to happen for them to go off. Some use timed fuses, others use firing pins, and some go off based on a shells altitude. One thing's for sure though, an HE shell that isn't primed would have little chance of exploding if the shell itself wasn't somehow breached so the explosive could be subjected to something to set it off.

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Of course, it also could have been rigged, because it looks to me as if the hatch was not down on the tank anyway.

Just my tuppence worth, but something seems amiss in the whole shebang!

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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/4/2013 4:03:10 PM   
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grenade goes off in barrel crew opens to take a look second grenade drops inside? BOOM...or its all a stunt!


If I'm in a tank and a grenade goes off in the barrel, the last thing I do is open the breach to look inside (assuming you can see inside the barrel from the interior). The first thing I do is get the heck out of dodge. If the tank is imobilized and unfriendlies are firing at me and seem to have heavy stuff, I either call for close by help or abandon the tank.

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RE: OT - Guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a tank - 4/4/2013 10:29:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Former tanker; if the breech is closed[and it always is unless you are loading a shell], and it is a fragmentation grenade, it would not have much effect, but you would have to clean out the debris before firing the main gun. A thermite grenade is a different story.


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Former tanker; if the breech is closed[and it always is unless you are loading a shell], and it is a fragmentation grenade, it would not have much effect, but you would have to clean out the debris before firing the main gun. A thermite grenade is a different story.



Termite2-would a frag grenade likely explode a loaded HE shell in the breech? Cause a propellant leak / fire?

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