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Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/26/2013 10:07:51 PM

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Not looking to hurt Matrix here. I'm a regular customer and hope to buy all the new releases.

But there are those that really can't afford games these days at all, and could use a break. So go to Gamersgate just this time. I paid full for both, and love 'em.

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/26/2013 10:17:33 PM

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Oh dear lord!!!!!!!!!!!

quote:

ORIGINAL: rosseau

Not looking to hurt Matrix here. I'm a regular customer and hope to buy all the new releases.

But there are those that really can't afford games these days at all, and could use a break. So go to Gamersgate just this time. I paid full for both, and love 'em.

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/26/2013 10:38:44 PM

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Meaning what? I'm a lousy traitor, or the price is good?

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/26/2013 10:57:24 PM

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Hum both I think?

I will get it for that price I think. I was on the fence with this game. But at 7.49 for both is a great deal! I wouldn't pay the 39.99 asking price matrix is demanding for the two games but 7.99 for both seems alright to take a chance on.

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 12:12:47 AM

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Been on sale at that sort of price on and off both at GG and Steam. And it's not the only one.

This is the point I was getting at (or one of them) in the recent 'pricing' debates. Given what we understand to be the general Matrix/Slitherene pricing policy, how can they accommodate anything in their catalogue for which they are not the sole publishers/distributors?

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 1:34:02 AM

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Is this another price thread complaint?My 2 cents is I wish some of the older titles(% years +) were cheaper

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 1:59:35 AM

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Great game and I have used GG in the past and have had good luck.

But they have been lax or the companies have not sent the patches for some games. I know that for some games once you buy GG you cannot buy anymore addons from another souce at times.

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 2:20:56 AM

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The last time someone opened a thread with better prices Erik Rutins closed it and called the poster rude. It was Pride of Nations prices.

So my opinion about this thread is: "How dare you! Off with your head!"

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 2:23:31 AM

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So what you are saying is that I bought both at 7.99 total but I cannot buy anymore dcls or expansions? That's ludicrous .

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ORIGINAL: sulla05

Great game and I have used GG in the past and have had good luck.

But they have been lax or the companies have not sent the patches for some games. I know that for some games once you buy GG you cannot buy anymore addons from another souce at times.

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 2:32:30 AM

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I'm just waiting for slitherine now to tell me that if I bought this game at 7.49 that I am putting them out of business and the original company who put this game out. To be followed by their "yes" men who will say I'm an idiot and tell me I don't support the "slitherine" Business model.. This is to followed by Iain and others who will try and justify the 39.99 price tag on these games. Lastly to be followed by other people and say "start your own company" if you don't like it or those who can't just criticize. Lame.

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ORIGINAL: bairdlander

Is this another price thread complaint?My 2 cents is I wish some of the older titles(% years +) were cheaper

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 2:35:40 AM

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True this will be locked that is after they have their "prime rib" dinner of course.

quote:

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The last time someone opened a thread with better prices Erik Rutins closed it and called the poster rude. It was Pride of Nations prices.

So my opinion about this thread is: "How dare you! Off with your head!"

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 2:42:00 AM

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quote:

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The last time someone opened a thread with better prices Erik Rutins closed it and called the poster rude. It was Pride of Nations prices.

So my opinion about this thread is: "How dare you! Off with your head!"

And is 2x2 Games part of Matrix/Slitherine/Ageod?

I haven't seen any announcement that they are. Have you?

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 2:48:08 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rogo727

True this will be locked that is after they have their "prime rib" dinner of course.

quote:

ORIGINAL: grogmaster

The last time someone opened a thread with better prices Erik Rutins closed it and called the poster rude. It was Pride of Nations prices.

So my opinion about this thread is: "How dare you! Off with your head!"

You do mean the prime rib they are eating inside the Grand Hotel des Iles Borromees, their press release extravagance?

I suppose that is what the 39.99 is going to, so they can boast in luxury and laugh at the fact that they leach thousands of dollars out of old grogs like us.

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 3:16:09 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: grogmaster

The last time someone opened a thread with better prices Erik Rutins closed it and called the poster rude. It was Pride of Nations prices.

This whole thing is getting old and repetitive.

Just imagine one guy walking into the premises of one company, just to start advertising there that the same product is offered way cheaper round the next corner. Basically that's exactly what is happening here.

If I'd be the shopkeeper or the company owner, I'd throw that guy right out of the door - and not just call him rude.

Guys this is not a "bread and butter" thing, it's not about raising prices of some essential things for life, it's about computer games. And the question is relatively simple; are you willing to pay for it, or not. If "yes", pay whats been told on the price tag, if "no", then leave it.

And if you can't afford it - too bad for you!

Heck I'd fancy a Ferrari as well, but can't afford it. But going to Italy just to complain at the company's CEO desk wouldn't make a Ferrari cheaper either. So I drive a Dacia...

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 3:54:43 AM

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Frankly responses like these are old and repetitive.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hotschi

quote:

ORIGINAL: grogmaster

The last time someone opened a thread with better prices Erik Rutins closed it and called the poster rude. It was Pride of Nations prices.

This whole thing is getting old and repetitive.

Just imagine one guy walking into the premises of one company, just to start advertising there that the same product is offered way cheaper round the next corner. Basically that's exactly what is happening here.

If I'd be the shopkeeper or the company owner, I'd throw that guy right out of the door - and not just call him rude.

Guys this is not a "bread and butter" thing, it's not about raising prices of some essential things for life, it's about computer games. And the question is relatively simple; are you willing to pay for it, or not. If "yes", pay whats been told on the price tag, if "no", then leave it.

And if you can't afford it - too bad for you!

Heck I'd fancy a Ferrari as well, but can't afford it. But going to Italy just to complain at the company's CEO desk wouldn't make a Ferrari cheaper either. So I drive a Dacia...

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 3:58:06 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: grogmaster
The last time someone opened a thread with better prices Erik Rutins closed it and called the poster rude. It was Pride of Nations prices.
So my opinion about this thread is: "How dare you! Off with your head!"

What's bothering you? Talk about taking something out of context and leaving out the most important part. I asked the poster to put such threads where they belong, here in the General Discussion forum.

I completely understand the desire to give us advice and constructive criticism. I do not understand the desire to take personal shots at us or to create caricatures of us that don't exist. This is the internet, folks. Miscommunication is the name of the game and you need to learn to give people the benefit of the doubt when you read what they write.

That said, for those that want to pretend that the game prices are set so that we can all drive supercars and stay in expensive hotels, I wish we could enjoy such perks but that's not the case. The reason we choose a nice location once a year for our press event (Historicon this year), which a small team from the company attends, is to support our developers and do the best job we can raising awareness about our games and our type of gaming with the press. All of us would no doubt be making more money in "normal" careers, but this is what we love doing.

Regards,

- Erik

< Message edited by Erik Rutins -- 4/27/2013 4:00:00 AM >

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 4:03:00 AM

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All I wanted to do was brighten the day of a fellow wargamer who may not have the discretionary income that some of us apparently have. It may be me one day

And if you saw my games list, I don't think Matrix would be throwing me out of the shop

Sorry Erik, you posted one second before me or I would not have bothered. You know where my heart is.

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 4:28:57 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hotschi

quote:

ORIGINAL: grogmaster

The last time someone opened a thread with better prices Erik Rutins closed it and called the poster rude. It was Pride of Nations prices.

This whole thing is getting old and repetitive.

Just imagine one guy walking into the premises of one company, just to start advertising there that the same product is offered way cheaper round the next corner. Basically that's exactly what is happening here.

If I'd be the shopkeeper or the company owner, I'd throw that guy right out of the door - and not just call him rude.

Guys this is not a "bread and butter" thing, it's not about raising prices of some essential things for life, it's about computer games. And the question is relatively simple; are you willing to pay for it, or not. If "yes", pay whats been told on the price tag, if "no", then leave it.

And if you can't afford it - too bad for you!

Heck I'd fancy a Ferrari as well, but can't afford it. But going to Italy just to complain at the company's CEO desk wouldn't make a Ferrari cheaper either. So I drive a Dacia...

Agree.

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 4:30:47 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rogo727

So what you are saying is that I bought both at 7.99 total but I cannot buy anymore dcls or expansions? That's ludicrous .

quote:

ORIGINAL: sulla05

Great game and I have used GG in the past and have had good luck.

But they have been lax or the companies have not sent the patches for some games. I know that for some games once you buy GG you cannot buy anymore addons from another souce at times.

Yes because each distributer uses a slightly different setup.executable and thus one won't work with the other when you get expansions or DLC. So you see that's why you must remain Loyal to one or the other. You can't be a Matrixgames fan when you turn traitor and buy from Gamersgate or Steam

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 4:33:15 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

quote:

ORIGINAL: grogmaster
The last time someone opened a thread with better prices Erik Rutins closed it and called the poster rude. It was Pride of Nations prices.
So my opinion about this thread is: "How dare you! Off with your head!"

What's bothering you? Talk about taking something out of context and leaving out the most important part. I asked the poster to put such threads where they belong, here in the General Discussion forum.

I completely understand the desire to give us advice and constructive criticism. I do not understand the desire to take personal shots at us or to create caricatures of us that don't exist. This is the internet, folks. Miscommunication is the name of the game and you need to learn to give people the benefit of the doubt when you read what they write.

That said, for those that want to pretend that the game prices are set so that we can all drive supercars and stay in expensive hotels, I wish we could enjoy such perks but that's not the case. The reason we choose a nice location once a year for our press event (Historicon this year), which a small team from the company attends, is to support our developers and do the best job we can raising awareness about our games and our type of gaming with the press. All of us would no doubt be making more money in "normal" careers, but this is what we love doing.

Regards,

- Erik

Erik, who are you fooling? You posted:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins
Italiamedio,

Do you think that's actually constructive? You may disagree with our pricing, but this is rude. Thread locked.

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 4:36:23 AM

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quote:

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I'm just waiting for slitherine now to tell me that if I bought this game at 7.99 that I am putting them out of business and the original company who put this game out. To be followed by their "yes" men who will say I'm an idiot and tell me I don't support the "slitherine" Business model.. This is to followed by Iain and others who will try and justify the 39.99 price tag on these games. Lastly to be followed by other people and say "start your own company" if you don't like it or those who can't just criticize. Lame.

quote:

ORIGINAL: bairdlander

Is this another price thread complaint?My 2 cents is I wish some of the older titles(% years +) were cheaper

Start your own company and let's see how long you last selling games for $5.

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 4:44:22 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rtwfreak

quote:

ORIGINAL: rogo727

I'm just waiting for slitherine now to tell me that if I bought this game at 7.99 that I am putting them out of business and the original company who put this game out. To be followed by their "yes" men who will say I'm an idiot and tell me I don't support the "slitherine" Business model.. This is to followed by Iain and others who will try and justify the 39.99 price tag on these games. Lastly to be followed by other people and say "start your own company" if you don't like it or those who can't just criticize. Lame.

quote:

ORIGINAL: bairdlander

Is this another price thread complaint?My 2 cents is I wish some of the older titles(% years +) were cheaper

Start your own company and let's see how long you last selling games for $5.

He'd rather complain from the cheap seats.

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 4:47:17 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rtwfreak

quote:

ORIGINAL: rogo727

So what you are saying is that I bought both at 7.99 total but I cannot buy anymore dcls or expansions? That's ludicrous .

quote:

ORIGINAL: sulla05

Great game and I have used GG in the past and have had good luck.

But they have been lax or the companies have not sent the patches for some games. I know that for some games once you buy GG you cannot buy anymore addons from another souce at times.

Yes because each distributer uses a slightly different setup.executable and thus one won't work with the other when you get expansions or DLC. So you see that's why you must remain Loyal to one or the other. You can't be a Matrixgames fan when you turn traitor and buy from Gamersgate or Steam

"traitor"?

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 4:48:50 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rtwfreak

quote:

ORIGINAL: rogo727

I'm just waiting for slitherine now to tell me that if I bought this game at 7.99 that I am putting them out of business and the original company who put this game out. To be followed by their "yes" men who will say I'm an idiot and tell me I don't support the "slitherine" Business model.. This is to followed by Iain and others who will try and justify the 39.99 price tag on these games. Lastly to be followed by other people and say "start your own company" if you don't like it or those who can't just criticize. Lame.

quote:

ORIGINAL: bairdlander

Is this another price thread complaint?My 2 cents is I wish some of the older titles(% years +) were cheaper

Start your own company and let's see how long you last selling games for $5.

He'd rather complain from the cheap seats.

How much does Slitherine pay you to roam the forums?

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 4:55:35 AM

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 5:00:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: grogmaster
Erik, who are you fooling? You posted:

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Italiamedio,

Do you think that's actually constructive? You may disagree with our pricing, but this is rude. Thread locked.

Regards,

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Huh, well there goes my memory. I've replied to dozens of posts like that in the past and the policy has always been to move them to the general discussion forum. There have been many similar posts here that have not been locked or deleted.

I apologize for misremembering, I thought I'd done the same in this case.

quote:

What is bothering you? you ask... your prices, and the way you treat longtime and dedicated consumers.

To provide some context though, when that post above was made the original pricing thread in the PON forum was in full flow. We were carrying on a good and civil discussion there when the poster above made the post you linked to in the same forum, directing folks to buy the game elsewhere. In context, with the timing I described, yeah it was rude and I still feel that way. I should have moved the thread here and advised the customer of the policy but I did not, my bad, turns out we're human too.

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 5:01:55 AM

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In any case, please direct any general pricing discussion to the pinned thread, please do not start a new thread on the same subject.

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 7:14:11 AM

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Just to clarify - we are not made aware when another site is dropping the price of a game so it's not some conspiracy and we don't have the resources to monitor pricing on other sites. If we had a heads up we could compete but this is all about market share for the selling site, not about helping the developer.

We also no longer do distribution deals. We are turning developers away and only doing exclusive publishing. We simply have so many developers that want to work with us we don't have the resources to do distribution. Previously we used them to fill gaps in the line up when there was a release lull. We have almost 1 exclusive release a week until Christmas. Some weeks we are going to have to release multiple games as there are not enough weeks. Some releases may slip and thin things out but we're getting a new deal signed every couple of weeks so that more than covers slippage at this time.

Never say never but currently we have no plans to release any more distribution games and this issue will go away. The only exception is where we have released the base game and an expansion comes along. E.g. Unity of Command. We'll do the expansion but only when time allows as our exclusive developers will always take priority.

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 11:48:45 AM

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39.99 per post......

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ORIGINAL: grogmaster

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rtwfreak

quote:

ORIGINAL: rogo727

I'm just waiting for slitherine now to tell me that if I bought this game at 7.99 that I am putting them out of business and the original company who put this game out. To be followed by their "yes" men who will say I'm an idiot and tell me I don't support the "slitherine" Business model.. This is to followed by Iain and others who will try and justify the 39.99 price tag on these games. Lastly to be followed by other people and say "start your own company" if you don't like it or those who can't just criticize. Lame.

quote:

ORIGINAL: bairdlander

Is this another price thread complaint?My 2 cents is I wish some of the older titles(% years +) were cheaper

Start your own company and let's see how long you last selling games for $5.

He'd rather complain from the cheap seats.

How much does Slitherine pay you to roam the forums?

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RE: Unity of Command Bundle $7.49 - 4/27/2013 2:10:19 PM

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Frankly, I think we need more threads on this subject. How many have we got now? Three? Four? Not nearly enough.

Parusski has once again nailed it.

Best wishes,
Steve

PS: I miscounted. We now have 6 threads if you include Grogmaster's attempt to resurrect an old thread (which I am sure we should have got on discount). Way to to go people. With a bit more effort I think we can easily get it into double figures.

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