Slitherine

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If there is more than one eligible major power, offer the minor to the major power whose capital city is closest to the minor’s capital (any home country in the case of the Commonwealth). If it declines, offer it to the next closest, and so on.

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ORIGINAL: Centuur
First: your deployment in Albania means the Italians have only about 15 combat factors to attack the Greeks, who have a 12 factor defense with the MTN alone in the mountains. It is far to few to make a successful attack on Greece, even with 4 additional Bulgarian factors. The Rumanians are lagging one impulse behind and can also only field about 5 factors. This gives you a 2-1 at most (and if the CW gets 2 INF into Greece, the situation gets even worse).

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ORIGINAL: Centuur
Second: in a land impulse, you are not allowed to make any naval moves (you think otherwise) and have an unlimited number of land moves...

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ORIGINAL: Centuur
Third: during a three impulses long attack in N/D 1939 in the Med, it is folly to think you will have nice weather all along. Statistics show you have a 50% opportunity for rain, storm or snow appearing each impulse. Don't expect the weather to be fair, it won't be.

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ORIGINAL: Centuur
Fourth: of course the Italians fly the NAV. I want to make sure as the allies that they have to do that to get the units in Albania in supply. It prevents the Italian air force from ground striking the Greeks or to port attack the French fleet in the surprise impulse, because they have only 1 air activity in a land impulse. Moving those CL into Italian waters is only to get this done. I see it as an aggressive defensive action.
As the allies, I don't expect the Italians to stay out of supply in Albania. No sir, I want to force the Italians into actions, which I want them to do as the allies. That way, I control certain actions and won't get surprised by any Italian moves or am able to soften the effects of a surprise impulse by Italy against a possible DoW by Italy on either (or all) of France, Commonwealth or Greece.

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And finally: what is the grand strategy of the Axis? That has to be top priority. Most players start to kill Poland and France. That's an easy decision to make. But after that you've got three options:
- Sealion
- Close the MED, followed by a Sea Lion or a 1942/1943 Barbarossa
- Barbarossa

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck
Just as well, subs can't move in the same naval move as ships.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck
You can only move two units with an Italian Combined. Best divs would still be '2' factor units. Two of those halved for invading gives two factors, tripled to 6 at most with shore bombardment and ground support. Defense is 1 plus 1 for the city, minus 1 for Surprise. For 2D10 the City defensive mod cancels the notional mod. Attack would be a +12. Probability of success is 88%, because any result where you lose more than one unit is a failure.

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Breaking down
You build divisions in the usual way (see 13.6.5 Building units). Alternatively, you can break down a face-up corps or army that isn’t in an enemy ZOC into divisions at the start of the production step. Each corps or army breaks down into 1 division of the same type and 1 INF or MOT division (your choice). SS corps break down into 1 equivalent SS division and 1 SS or normal INF or MOT division.

When you break down a corps or army, you can select any divisions from your force pools but their total combat factors can’t exceed half (rounding up) those of the corps or army you break down.

If there aren’t enough divisions in your force pools to break down a corps or army, you can remove them from anywhere on the maps to make up the shortfall.

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24.4.7 The Global war: Sep/Oct 1939 ~ Jul/Aug 1945
Intelligence points: The USSR (2), Germany (2), Italy (2), Japan (1)

Nov/Dec 1939. Italy, the USA and the USSR are neutral and can’t attempt to gain intelligence points.
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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Were dealing with an invasion on impulse 2 not impulse 3.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous
Correct "Each unit which invades counts as 1 land move. Each invasion counts as 1 land attack".

But a 2-3 INF division and a 1-3 INF division rounds up to the same value as 2x 2-3 INF divisions.

(2 / 0.5 = 1) + (2 / 0.5 = 1) = 2.

(2 / 0.5 = 1) + (1 / 0.5 = 0.5) = 1.5 rounded up to 2.

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Impossible. The sides in the game alternate impulses. Ergo in turn 1 all odd numbered impulses are axis ones. You have long been laboring under the misconception that an impulse consists of both sides taking a turn at moving and fighting. Not true.

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6.2 Effect of Initiative
The side that won the initiative now decides which side has the first impulse of this turn. That side is called ‘the first side’. Note: who goes first doesn’t affect who has the initiative.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous
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YOU ARE LABORING UNDER A MISCONCEPTION

The impulses are done by initiative so the Allies could have the odd impulses instead of the Axis.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Since you bring this up days after the original concept (where you stated the invasion couldn't be done).

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Since I have NO idea what the other players will do...

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paulderynck
Sorry Paul I was only asking if 1x (2-3) INF division 1x (1-3) INF division being used in an invasion would be the same as 2x (2-3) INF divisions

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brian brian

Italian 3rd INF division (2-3) 1941

What about with unlimited break down?

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Centuur & Greyshaft

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Impossible. The sides in the game alternate impulses. Ergo in turn 1 all odd numbered impulses are axis ones. You have long been laboring under the misconception that an impulse consists of both sides taking a turn at moving and fighting. Not true.

I believe I have made it abundantly clear we are NOT talking about September/October 1939 but November/December 1939 which are different turns.

Otherwise how could the USSR and Rumania have come to peace since the peace step is at the end of the turn?

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Example: Japan declares war on the Commonwealth and attempts to invade the mountain hex east of Port Moresby with a 5-factor MAR from the 2 section and a 5 factor INF from the 3 section in the Bismarck sea. Only the Commonwealth notional unit is defending, but Port Moresby is occupied by a Commonwealth INF. The weather is rain.

The notional unit is usually worth 1, but you add 1 for the adjacent corps, 2 because a land unit is invading from the 2 section (the 1* shore bombardment modifier becomes 2 because of the rain) and 1 because a land unit is invading from the 3 section. You subtract 1 because it is a surprise impulse. This total of 4 doubles to 8 for the mountain.

The invading INF’s factors are halved, so Japan’s total combat factors are 2.5 + 5 = 7.5. After adding 7.5 factors of shore bombardment and 4.5 factors of ground support, the invading total is 19.5 combat factors (rounding to 20). This results in odds of 2:1 (20:8). The rain drops the final odds 1 level to 3:2 (+1 due to the notional unit being automatically face-down). Kasigi regrets not invading from a closer port, allowing an invasion from a higher section of the sea-box (if they had all invaded from the 4 section, the odds would have been 9:1 + 1 (20:2, less an odds level for the rain).

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Using the example above I see where we are missing a modifier.

2x (2-3) INF divisions times 0.5 = 2
+2 factors of shore bombardment
+2 factors of ground support

The odds would be 6 to 1 for +12.

Clear city hex = -1.
Surprise impulse = +1.
Due to the notional unit being automatically face-down = +1
Total +13

Using the Assault column (which should be defenders choice)
Invasion fails: 15% (2d10 rolls of: 2,3, and 5) (2d10 chart values: 15,16, and 19)
Invasion succeeds: 85% (chance of loosing 1x (2-3) INF division 8.5%)

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19.3 Who can enter the minor
Your units can enter hexes controlled by a minor country if:
• you are at war with it or with the major power that controls it; or
• it is conquered by you or another active major power on your side; or
• it is aligned with any active major power on your side and the unit entering is controlled by an active major power (subject to the foreign troop commitment rules ~ see 18.2 Not co-operating); or
• it is aligned with a neutral major power on your side and the unit entering is one of that major power’s unit.

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Units that don’t co-operate are not otherwise limited. In particular, they can:
Enter hexes controlled by each other outside their major power home countries. You may of course only enter territory controlled by another major power on your side if that major power agrees.

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AfA option 10: Territorial units must be set up in their home country. When randomly choosing a territorial to be placed on a map, you must
pick a territorial that can set up on that map (e.g. Australians on the Pacific map). If you are playing with the Africa map (AfA/AsA option 1), “Europe” includes the African map.

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We are now assuming the Italian invasion on Athens have failed, thus eliminating the two Italian DIV used for that attack.

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We are almost at the end of the N/D 1939 turn and the CW is going to move units into Greece (Wavell comes in mind).

There is only one Italian DIV remaining for use in an invasion.

There is no Italian HQ in Lybia, at least one of the Lybian INF/TERR units will be on the Tunisian side of Lybia, this leaves two INF/TERR, one very slow GAR and the Gun on the Egyptian border. Put against those is Wavell, two TERR and the Sidney MIL (which has been transported there out of Australia). In Malta there is an INF and the London MIL and an INF is in Gibraltar.

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Germany DoW's Poland.
Germany DoW's Denmark.
Germany DoW's Netherlands
Germany aligns Hungary
Germany aligns Rumania
Germany aligns Bulgaria
Germany DoW's Greece
Italy DoW's Greece
Italy DoW's France
Japan aligns Siam
Italy DoW's France
Japan has taken some Chinese cities (it should have)...

On the allied side:

France and the CW DoW's Germany
USSR claims Eastern Poland
USSR DoW's Rumania
Two US entry options taken (Béarn and one against the Japanese (freeze assets is possible...).

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

How tempting it is. We are now assuming the Italian invasion on Athens have failed, thus eliminating the two Italian DIV used for that attack. We are almost at the end of the N/D 1939 turn and the CW is going to move units into Greece (Wavell comes in mind). There is only one Italian DIV remaining for use in an invasion. There is no Italian HQ in Lybia, at least one of the Lybian INF/TERR units will be on the Tunisian side of Lybia, this leaves two INF/TERR, one very slow GAR and the Gun on the Egyptian border. Put against those is Wavell, two TERR and the Sidney MIL (which has been transported there out of Australia). In Malta there is an INF and the London MIL and an INF is in Gibraltar.

So let's TRS Wavell to Athens. Gort and two INF/MOT are in France. This still gives the UK at least three nice land units (among which the MECH) to defend it with. This is enough, because the German navy is incapable of keeping a German invasion force in supply in the UK, if they succeed to invade the UK (which I don't think they will, because they have to fight first against an overwhelming Home Fleet who has air superiority over the North Sea, I'm afraid

Also, look at all those US entry die rolls taken in 1939 until now:

Germany DoW's Poland.
Germany DoW's Denmark.
Germany DoW's Netherlands
Germany aligns Hungary
Germany aligns Rumania
Germany aligns Bulgaria
Germany DoW's Greece
Italy DoW's Greece
Italy DoW's France
Japan aligns Siam
Italy DoW's France
Japan has taken some Chinese cities (it should have)...

On the allied side:

France and the CW DoW's Germany
USSR claims Eastern Poland
USSR DoW's Rumania
Two US entry options taken (Béarn and one against the Japanese (freeze assets is possible...).

How nice it is to see the huge number of 12 more US entry die rolls in 1939 against the axis compared with 5 in favour of the Axis... I think we are looking at the US green monster entering end 1940...

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Minor countries can always be occupied by units on the same side without regard to Foreign Troop Commitment limits. It is when entering the home countries of major powers that FTC limits apply.

FTC limits is also the name ADG uses when discussing the requirement for minor countries to keep some of the units in their home country. IMO a better label for this would have been Homeland Troop Requirements, so the two rules wouldn't be so easily confused.

Yes, when they are at war but in this instance the CW is at peace with Italy and sending peacekeepers.

I would agree that we have gone off topic quite a bit but I'm flexible and it keeps some posts going here in the forums.

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ORIGINAL: Orm

You have Italy DOW France twice in that list. And why would Japan align Siam during 1939?

The Axis actions you listed (Siam and 2nd DOW on France removed) is around 5 entry chits added. Maybe someone can do the math? And the three Allied actions is 3 to 4 chits removed (US entry options removed since tension is needed anyway). I see no early US entry here.


Germany DoW's Poland. -12
Germany DoW's Denmark. -3
Germany DoW's Netherlands. -3
Germany aligns Hungary. -3
Germany aligns Rumania. -3
Germany aligns Bulgaria. -3
Germany DoW's Greece. -3
Italy DoW's Greece. -3
Italy DoW's France. -7
Japan has taken some Chinese cities. -4 (x2)
On the allied side:

France and the CW DoW's Germany. -9
USSR claims Eastern Poland. -7
USSR DoW's Rumania. -18

I agree with Orm (thanks for the die rolls).

It seams like several low percentage rolls with two high ones for the Axis.

While the Allies have the burden of the consequations of their actions.

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Extranous: to get as soon as possible the right positions on France and Belgium, it is wise for Germany to take out the Netherlands in the first or the second turn of the game. Personally, I would try to kill Belgium too as Germany in 1939, if weather is good enough. I don't want to waste time crushing those countries in 1940, since I'm in a hurry as the Axis. France needs to be killed as soon as possible...

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I was just wondering.

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Also: if the USSR occupies the Baltic States, they don't get any convoys out of those countries. So it is wise to wait to see what happens. Perhaps the CW and France needs good US entry for DoW'ing Italy in 1939.

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19.4 Minor country units
Setting up
When a minor country aligns with you, set up its initial units immediately. You must set up in hexes controlled by that minor. At least half a minor country’s initial units must set up in its home country. Set up each of the minor’s land and aircraft units that has an earlier year on its back. If it has the current year or ‘Res’, put it on the production circle to arrive as a reinforcement in the next turn (PiF Option 28: along with its pilot).

If you are playing with Ships in Flames, you don’t set up their TRS from that kit. You don’t set up any units from Planes in Flames or Mech in Flames. You do set up units from all other kits. You only set up units from America in Flames or Patton in Flames if playing those games. In all cases, you can add these units to your force pools ~ see Production below).

Set up on the map each of the minor’s naval units that has a date on its back that is at least 2 years earlier except those sunk prior to the start of the scenario. For example, in the Global War campaign, if your opponent declares war on Spain in 1940, you would set up all the Spanish ships that have 1938 or earlier on the back of their counter except for the España.

If the date is 1 year earlier, put the unit into the construction pool. If it is the current year, the units are not yet set-up (see Production below). Set up this many convoy points (use the controlling major power’s convoy points):

Estonia 1 CP
Latvia 1 CP

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19.5.2 Baltic States
The USSR can exercise its Nazi-Soviet Pact rights to occupy the Baltic states (Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia) during any Allied land movement step after it has exercised its rights to eastern Poland. You can only exercise your rights over those states that are neutral.

You exercise those rights by moving a land unit into any hex of the Baltic States.

Once you exercise those rights, the Baltic States are considered immediately conquered by the Soviet Union (without the Baltic States being aligned or its units set up).

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You got the CP's in ADG's WiF the computer game

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And the Baltic states, well I would love as the USSR to see the German's DoW'ing them:

I think I would DoW Germany if Germany DoW's any of the Baltics. The USSR gets it reserves out and the MIL becomes available and France is still in the game. How nice it is to get a two front war started in januari 1940. And I don't have to send the Germans any more oil. Bombs away on Ploesti again! How nice! Yes, the US might not like this (3 or 4 chits removed), however if the USSR gets in the European war early, this really makes things interesting for the allies. The Western front needs to be stripped of German units and France might survive...

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29. The USSR declares war on Germany or Italy or both (Ge/It) (3 USA entry chits and a 50% chance of another will be removed from the USA (Ge/It) entry pool).
If the USSR doesn't declare war on both Germany and Italy in the same impulse this done separately for both Germany and Italy.

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Don't forget the USSR's other front.

9. Japan declares war on USSR (There is a 50% chance a USA entry chit will be added to the USA (Ja) entry pool)

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

USSR cannot DoW Germany if Germany pays attention to the garrison value needed, and is crazy not to.

USSR is crazy to DoW Italy at this point in the war.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

If the USSR DoW's Finland and doesn't claim the Baltic States:

Germany will align Finland
Germany and Finland co-operate.
German AMPH's could be used to invade the Baltic States with Finnish units and the 19.5 The Nazi-Soviet pact and then the USSR would remain intact.

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Minor countries can always be occupied by units on the same side without regard to Foreign Troop Commitment limits. It is when entering the home countries of major powers that FTC limits apply.

FTC limits is also the name ADG uses when discussing the requirement for minor countries to keep some of the units in their home country. IMO a better label for this would have been Homeland Troop Requirements, so the two rules wouldn't be so easily confused.

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19.5.3 Breaking the Nazi-Soviet pact
If a German controlled unit enters any hex in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania or Turkey or declares war on any of these countries, then the Soviet player can break the Nazi-Soviet pact during any Allied declaration of war step. Setting up the Baltic States’ convs is not considered entering a hex in these countries.

If a Soviet controlled unit enters any hex in Denmark, Greece, Hungary, Norway, Sweden or Yugoslavia, then the German player can break the Nazi-Soviet pact during any Axis declaration of war step.

Once broken, there is no longer a neutrality pact (see 9.5), nor a trade agreement (see 5.1), between Germany and the USSR.

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Example: The USSR declares war on Finland in 1939 while Germany and the USSR are not at war. Finland becomes controlled by Germany. During the war, Finland takes Murmansk and conquers a Russian controlled Estonia. In 1941, Germany declares war on the USSR. Murmansk and Estonia immediately become German (rather than Finnish) controlled.

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Since in this case Foreign Troop Commitments only take effect if Rumanian units stop in Bulgaria.

When Germany DoW's Greece and Bulgaria has been aligned it has 2 units.

II INF (3-3)
Sofia MIL (2-3) (reserve)

So one of them can leave the country into Greece and take Salonica.

Then in the next impulse the Bulgarians can move out of Salonica and the Rumanians can rail in.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous


Then the Rumanian Alp MTN (4-3) and I INF (4-3) (or the you could use the German MTN if you don't think you need it in France) can rail into Salonica in the same turn.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Or since in this case Foreign Troop Commitments only take effect if Rumanian units stop in Bulgaria.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Or since in this case Foreign Troop Commitments only take effect if Rumanian units stop in Bulgaria.

For the boardgame, it has been clarified that for land movement you cannot even enter a hex that needs FTC without having FTC. Rail moves and air missions etc. that don't end the step there are OK without FTC, but land moves cannot even enter, let alone move through. (FAQ 18.2-11)

I cannot recall if MWiF enforces this clarification.