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Where's the beef? - 4/22/2013 1:43:14 PM   
Jim Stevens

 

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Status: offline 		Good morning fellow gamers! Time for Jim's silly question for the day.

If I have the latest patch installed, how come I don't have an up-to-date manual?

Having asked that, is there a place to download just the latest manual?

As always, thanks for reading a responding. I do have to note that I seem to be spending more time in the forum reading what you guys post then playing the game. The information and insight is captivating. The comradery is very nice too.

Y'all have a nice day...
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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/22/2013 1:50:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jim Stevens

Good morning fellow gamers! Time for Jim's silly question for the day.

If I have the latest patch installed, how come I don't have an up-to-date manual?

Having asked that, is there a place to download just the latest manual?

As always, thanks for reading a responding. I do have to note that I seem to be spending more time in the forum reading what you guys post then playing the game. The information and insight is captivating. The comradery is very nice too.

Y'all have a nice day...


The forum IS the latest manual. It is highly unlikely there will ever be a new edition of the manual. Those who would, shouldn't. Those who could, won't.

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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/22/2013 1:59:22 PM   
Jim Stevens

 

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Status: offline 		That's too bad. What was the date or version number of the final manual?

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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/22/2013 2:19:20 PM   
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That's too bad. What was the date or version number of the final manual?

First release AFAIK. However, if you look in the folders (the main AE folder but maybe there's a doc folder too?) you will see some additional PDF files. Those are important additional documentation released with patches later. Do note what Moose said: there are many changes beyond those. The patch notes (change notes, whatever) are important, but the biggest source of info both in terms of understanding new things and explaining many things is the forum.

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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/22/2013 5:17:08 PM   
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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/22/2013 5:40:26 PM   
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I wonder if we could/should create a wiki...

Come to think of it there is a wiki. Some nice articles, but not comprehensive enough to be a substitute for the other sources.

http://witp-ae.wikia.com/wiki/War_in_the_Pacific:_Admiral%27s_Edition_Wiki

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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/22/2013 7:55:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		If it was organized to resemble the manual and it's sections and numbering, it could be an online manual...

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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/22/2013 9:10:32 PM   
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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/22/2013 10:05:36 PM   
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I wonder if we could/should create a wiki...


Wikis have been started here, abandoned, lost, server blew up, gnomes ate it . . .

Wikis have died around here IOW.

The main problem with a wiki is anybody can add to it, and based on posts here in the forum roughly half of a wiki will be incorrect. It's just you won't know which half.

A new manual needs to be written by someone who can see the code. And they aren't interested. Nor do I blame them.

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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/22/2013 10:32:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

I wonder if we could/should create a wiki...


Wikis have been started here, abandoned, lost, server blew up, gnomes ate it . . .

Wikis have died around here IOW.

The main problem with a wiki is anybody can add to it, and based on posts here in the forum roughly half of a wiki will be incorrect. It's just you won't know which half.

A new manual needs to be written by someone who can see the code. And they aren't interested. Nor do I blame them.


I was pretty sure you could set editing privileges to certain users only. It would clearly have to be a group effort in terms of knowledge contribution, but perhaps aggregating the various resource threads into a wiki-like format wouldn't be so terrible...

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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/24/2013 6:01:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		What If - What if the wiki was under the control of one editor who was just the mechanic and that person built a new revision section by section with the input and consent of the masses here in the forum. So they would take a section and post it for any proposed revisions or enhancements, get consensus of the forum on any changes and move on to the next section. Now it wouldn't have to be so liner in that several section may be up for revisions depending on how froggy the editor felt.

I think it would sow together a lot of the disjointed data found here in the forum. What do you all think?

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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/24/2013 6:59:31 PM   
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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/25/2013 4:23:39 AM   
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I think we have a volunteer.


I'd commit to it if I thought I had the time . Maybe in 4 months.

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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/25/2013 3:53:25 PM   
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I think we have a volunteer.


I do volunteer. And I think I have the qualifications:

1) Long standing interest and experience in wargaming

2) An fascination with War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition

3) A desire to help the player community

4) 20+ years of Software Engineer experience

5) Virtually a new player perspective

So having presented my qualifications I would like to nominate myself for Editor of this project. My intention is this will be a on-going process over quite some time whereby a chuck at a time I will:

- present the section/chunk/blob of the current manual in the forum
- seek inputs here in the forum
- pull together all inputs and present the proposed in the forum for a vote
- keep refining until consensus is gained
- move on to the next section/chunk/blob

The size of what we consider each cycle will be determined by experience as we go through the process. I don't want to bog down anybody by presenting 10 pages of text to review or wear them out going paragraph by paragraph either.

Now if we have a consensus on the need for the project and acceptance of myself as the editor, the project will need certain items to get started. Specifically:

- permission from the copywrite holder to extend their work so the project is not viewed as a challange to the copywrite
- a wiki host that won't go away
- a copy of the manual to be used as a starting point
- consensus of what format (pdf, text only, docx, etc) the revised manual will be produced in

Now for our first consensus test. What do you all think?

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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/30/2013 6:07:20 PM   
Jim Stevens

 

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ORIGINAL: Schanilec

I think we have a volunteer.


I do volunteer. And I think I have the qualifications:

1) Long standing interest and experience in wargaming

2) An fascination with War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition

3) A desire to help the player community

4) 20+ years of Software Engineer experience

5) Virtually a new player perspective

So having presented my qualifications I would like to nominate myself for Editor of this project. My intention is this will be a on-going process over quite some time whereby a chuck at a time I will:

- present the section/chunk/blob of the current manual in the forum
- seek inputs here in the forum
- pull together all inputs and present the proposed in the forum for a vote
- keep refining until consensus is gained
- move on to the next section/chunk/blob

The size of what we consider each cycle will be determined by experience as we go through the process. I don't want to bog down anybody by presenting 10 pages of text to review or wear them out going paragraph by paragraph either.

Now if we have a consensus on the need for the project and acceptance of myself as the editor, the project will need certain items to get started. Specifically:

- permission from the copywrite holder to extend their work so the project is not viewed as a challange to the copywrite
- a wiki host that won't go away
- a copy of the manual to be used as a starting point
- consensus of what format (pdf, text only, docx, etc) the revised manual will be produced in

Now for our first consensus test. What do you all think?


Well that went over like flatulence in a place of worship...

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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/30/2013 6:38:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		.... and that's the biggest problem with getting a "proper" wiki off the ground and updated to a useful state. You need to find the right people with both the knowledge and the time. I wish you luck! I'd love to have a useful wiki available.

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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/30/2013 7:00:38 PM   
Jim Stevens

 

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Status: offline 		So far you are the only person to express support for the adventure. Why do you think nobody else even comments on the proposal? I thought I would get some support expressed?

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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/30/2013 7:36:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sadly, Jim, because we've seen this attempted and started at least 3 times before this one.

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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/30/2013 7:43:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		A wiki would be useful but drumming up support from people who have the time and expertise will probably be the biggest stumbling block. I don't feel qualified and I've been playing since the game was released.



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RE: Where's the beef? - 4/30/2013 10:14:39 PM   
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A wiki would be useful but drumming up support from people who have the time and expertise will probably be the biggest stumbling block. I don't feel qualified and I've been playing since the game was released.




I wish I had the time. Just took on a bunch more at work (essentially working two positions now), which is great and all for my career but the hobby/game time is really suffering. I think I could do a quick-and-dirty version that basically just pulled a bunch of forum posts and resources (edited for formatting and language consistency), but I get the feeling it wouldn't be all that quick (probably 20-30 hours of effort...) and very dirty. But at least it would be a start...?

It sounds like Jim Stevens has something cooking already, though?

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RE: Where's the beef? - 5/1/2013 1:14:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think a good start would be collecting the various '101' posts and putting them together (Logistics 101, Repair 101, etc). There are also some nice guides/charts in .PDF that could be uploaded (the Ship Guide in the adjacent thread, and someone had a great PDF with spoilage limits, TF types etc).

I am still learning so much about this game, I doubt I could contribute anything in terms of content, but I would be glad to assist in editing (I worked as a proofreader in a prior life), and asking dumb questions to hopefully identify areas we need more info on!

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RE: Where's the beef? - 5/1/2013 1:32:45 AM   
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I think a good start would be collecting the various '101' posts and putting them together (Logistics 101, Repair 101, etc). There are also some nice guides/charts in .PDF that could be uploaded (the Ship Guide in the adjacent thread, and someone had a great PDF with spoilage limits, TF types etc).

I am still learning so much about this game, I doubt I could contribute anything in terms of content, but I would be glad to assist in editing (I worked as a proofreader in a prior life), and asking dumb questions to hopefully identify areas we need more info on!


The ship guide is actually in Skyros's WITP Reference Sheet, along with tons of other info. I recommend you download that one ;).

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RE: Where's the beef? - 5/1/2013 6:23:45 PM   
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A wiki would be useful but drumming up support from people who have the time and expertise will probably be the biggest stumbling block. I don't feel qualified and I've been playing since the game was released.




I don't think a wiki would be the finished product. Let me explain how I intended to proceed.

1) I would take a part of the manual and post it right here in the forum 

1.0 INTRODUCTION
In War in the Pacific, Admiral’s Edition™, players
may choose to direct the Japanese or Allied war
efforts in one of several scenarios that cover a
portion of the war in the Pacific, or may choose
the dynamic campaign game that covers the
entire map.
1.1 MAIN MANUAL
The scope of War in the Pacific, Admiral’s Edition™ is as vast as the ocean it is named after
and will take an investment of time to learn. However, we know that some players prefer to
dive right in. In that case, in addition to this manual, the player will find a separate Tutorial
Guide that provides a step-by-step experience that touches on the major aspects of War in
the Pacific, Admiral’s Edition™. Players anxious to begin should read through and follow the
Tutorial Guide and then refer to this manual for more in-depth information.
1.2 EDITOR MANUAL...


2) Then I would solicit any adds, changes, or deletes to the text that the people here feel need to be done.

3) If no update is needed I would simply move on to the next chunk of manual. If changes are proposed and there is a consensus here, I would add them to the master document and move on.

So people would only have to read posts and put in their two cents worth for us to move forward. Sure it will take a while but I don't see it as a burden on anybody. I am guessing that if somebody remembers a clarification that appeared in the form, they just need to point to it. We can also add the many nifty chart and screen shots people have come up with over time.

What do you all think about this approach?

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