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Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 3:10:38 AM   
farflamex

 

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Status: offline 		I have around 400,000 credits, but every time I try to buy a mining station for 5,000 or so, it tells me I don't have enough money. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong?
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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 3:26:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		In what way are you trying to purchase a mining station? Is this in a diplomatic negotiation?

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 3:44:50 AM   
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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 3:54:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		That should indeed be pretty straightforward. Are construction ships building other mining stations and just not this one? How are you issuing the order (interface-wise)?

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 4:25:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Right-clicking on the planet and hitting 'Build X here'. Is it because there are so many queued up and it counts the potential cost of the queue against current credits?

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 8:37:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		As far as I know, the mining station is paid for by the civilians, so your money is not important. Their money is.

I don't quite see how you could run the civilians broke in any normal scenario, though. Are you running crazy tax levels?

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 9:05:58 AM   
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As far as I know, the mining station is paid for by the civilians, so your money is not important. Their money is.

Only for maintenance. State funds are used to build it.

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 10:10:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bingeling

As far as I know, the mining station is paid for by the civilians, so your money is not important. Their money is.

Only for maintenance. State funds are used to build it.

Prepare for that to be true soon, then ;-)

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 10:41:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bingeling

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ORIGINAL: Kayoz

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ORIGINAL: Bingeling

As far as I know, the mining station is paid for by the civilians, so your money is not important. Their money is.

Only for maintenance. State funds are used to build it.

Prepare for that to be true soon, then ;-)


Hooray!

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 10:52:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		It could be worth a test, though. If civilians have negative cash, can you build a mine? It is a bit too annoying to set up for me to bother.

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 10:56:39 AM   
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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 11:41:34 AM   
Bingeling

 

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Status: offline 		Yeah, you can build a mine even if the civilians are in the red.

Very peaceful galaxies, with sky high tax levels and lots of busy constructors, can tell you that...

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 1:18:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		So what's happening in my case then? I haven't even altered the tax levels, my cash levels were high and it just kept saying I didn't have enough money. The only thing I can think is that I'd queued up a huge amount of mines.. I'm not sure if it's 'wrong' to do that but I just tell them to build a mine at practically every planet with a half-decent amount of resources. At that stage I may have had 50 mines queued up and 400,000 credits... so the cost of the waiting mines might have exceeded my balance. Maybe it sets aside the cost of the queued mines first?

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 1:52:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually it's not that, I've just started a new game anyway (so it's not a problem now really unless it happens again) and I've noticed in a new game, it lets you queue up as many mines as you want without problems. If you literally run out of money, you get a pop-up box saying so. So I dunno what was happening. It was after reloading a saved game, could be a bug?

Another quick question, is there a problem with mining asteroids? It doesn't say anything, but are they just as good as an equivalent amount of resources on a planet? I have an asteroid field in my main system and almost every rock has over 50% gold (which sounds good to me) so I'm setting up a few mines there. Worth it?

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 2:03:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only asteroids worth mining are the named scenic ones for gold and dilithium. For them you custom design a resort with mining equipment and cargo bays. Also be sure to give those resorts at least ten docking bays...

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edit : my rule of thumb for mining is that it isn't worth mining with less than 125% total from sum of minerals percents plus two times sum of luxuries percents. You might need to explore faster if you can't find that required level anywhere. Or send constructors to repair ships in debris fields. I micromanage all constructors...



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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 3:08:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm, I tend to just mine everything unless it looks really poor (less than 50%). How do I calculate the income from a mine? To be honest, if I just spam mining stations everywhere, it still seems to go fine and my empire grows quickly, but I'd like to know if any of the mines are inefficient.

Are asteroids particularly poor or do you just go off the resources? If an asteroid has 50% gold, is it the same income as a moon with 50% gold?

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 3:40:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		You don't need that many mines, really.

You need to mine more than you spend, and it depends on the size of your empire. Fuel sources are the most critical. 1-2 sources for each strategic and luxury. More for the ones most needed (steel and friends).

Expansion planner shows your total stores. If they increase, you got enough mines, but a spare don't hurt in case you lose one. Of course, if your stores are good, you can wait with replacing the lost one until it is actually lost.

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 5:06:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just like building mines So I build them everywhere lol.

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 5:24:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Same here and it seems to help the empire to grow faster. I'm going to play this current game with just 100+ resource planets, unless they're in a really convenient location (like the moon next to my homeworld). It's hard to tell if it makes a different, when I just grow everywhere, I seem to do better.

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/11/2013 5:34:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Farflamex

So what's happening in my case then?

If you have a saved game demonstrating this, please upload it (instructions here).

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/12/2013 6:10:29 PM   
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Hmmm, I tend to just mine everything unless it looks really poor (less than 50%). How do I calculate the income from a mine? To be honest, if I just spam mining stations everywhere, it still seems to go fine and my empire grows quickly, but I'd like to know if any of the mines are inefficient.

Are asteroids particularly poor or do you just go off the resources? If an asteroid has 50% gold, is it the same income as a moon with 50% gold?


Asteroids have a smaller resource total than moons, but for me the deciding factor is that they have less than 100% total of resource mining RATE. In early game I typically have about 20 constructors and in late game 2-300 but I never run out of targets for mining using my rule of thumb...

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/12/2013 10:06:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are you building while paused maybe? Doesn't seem like your money total get updated while paused. So you might have run out of money with out knowing it

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/13/2013 6:31:57 AM   
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Prepare for that to be true soon, then ;-)

Shocking! Does that mean you have no longer influence on mining strategies (3x + 1x, priorities in locations etc.)?


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RE: Not enough money... - 5/13/2013 7:45:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bingeling
Prepare for that to be true soon, then ;-)

Shocking! Does that mean you have no longer influence on mining strategies (3x + 1x, priorities in locations etc.)?

I honestly have no idea what Bingeling is on about. State funds to build mining stations, civilian sector maintains them - that's how it's been since DW's release.

Hopefully he'll clarify his comment.

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/13/2013 9:13:21 AM   
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Hopefully he'll clarify his comment.

We'll see. I guess there have been significant design changes in Shadows but he may stand under NDA and will hold back with going too much into detail. I get the impression some old style strategemes won't work any longer.



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RE: Not enough money... - 5/13/2013 9:34:49 AM   
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Prepare for that to be true soon, then ;-)

Shocking! Does that mean you have no longer influence on mining strategies (3x + 1x, priorities in locations etc.)?

I honestly have no idea what Bingeling is on about. State funds to build mining stations, civilian sector maintains them - that's how it's been since DW's release.

Hopefully he'll clarify his comment.

It is about which source of money has to be out of the red to build a mine. Possibly both. Time will show.

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/13/2013 6:35:50 PM   
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RE: Not enough money... - 5/13/2013 9:23:08 PM   
Kayoz


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Sorry, I don't understand your comment Bingeling.

I think he means the "state" versus "private" funds. You can use state funds to build stuff (ships, bases, etc) and maintain your military ships, whereas private funds are used to maintain bases as well as building (automated, you can't control this) civilian ships (freighters, etc).

I'm not sure if the game disallows building new bases if your private funds are in the red. All I'm sure of is that you can't build anything with your state funds if you can't pay for it (ie: don't have the cash available). What I believe Binge is suggesting, is that BOTH state and private must be in the black to build. He might be right, but I don't recall running across this situation (private always seems to be positive no matter what I do). It is an interesting question he raises, though.

I suspect what is happening to Farflamex is that he has 400k in "private funds", but an insufficient amount in his "state funds" to build what he wants. Either that, or he's hit the queued actions limit - which I'm not sure what that is...

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/13/2013 9:36:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I tested Legends, and having some state funds and privates in the red, allowed mines to be built just fine.

I have played DW in an alternative universe where I had to wait for the privates to get positive cash before I was able to order a mine. This alternative universe may also be one where it is a bit less tricky to get the civilian economy into the red areas. In legends it took 'very hard', a harsh homeworld, and five very eager constructors.

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RE: Not enough money... - 5/14/2013 1:10:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Farflamex

I have around 400,000 credits, but every time I try to buy a mining station for 5,000 or so, it tells me I don't have enough money. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong?


It's a bug. It happens to me frequently. Have no idea how to reproduce it. Usually just clicking on other stuff solves the problem. I believe it only happens to me with the "build mining station" buttons being grayed out with the message "not enough money" displayed when I hover over with the mouse. I think if you select your constructor and right click with it you can get the option to build the station as a workaround.

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