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best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/10/2013 5:10:58 PM   
razanon

 

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Status: offline 		hi friends it will be a difficult question... but let me explain:

as JFB you have these most important options:

Dabigbabes
ironman allied ai
reluctant admiral

what is the best one to play versus ai and enjoy most?

please explain the answers. playing seriously witpae is not a joke so i need to be sure what scenario i will play montsh and months.

thx a lot masters of the pacific.
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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 1:41:06 PM   
razanon

 

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Status: offline 		please ppl only i want your own thougths, i want to play as japanese and i want the most intense and real option,

what can i choose??

dabigbabes
ironman allied
or reluctant admiral

please help cos i want to start :)

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 2:00:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		While I don't have personal experience outside of DBB and short tests with RA, as I understand it Ironman Allied is specifically tailored to provide the toughest challenge through a lot of new AI scripting.

So if I were looking for a scenario where I could expect a serious fight from the AI, I would probably pick that. DBB is to my knowledge not AI compatible yet, and RA as I understand it uses the stock AI scripts, which while good, are not as good as Ironmans. DBB and RA are both more suited for PBEM play.

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 2:07:31 PM   
razanon

 

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 3:30:27 PM   
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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 3:38:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		oh but reluctant only is as PBem?? i wanted to choose that one

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 3:41:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: razanon

oh but reluctant only is as PBem?? i wanted to choose that one


RA is like Babes Lite in that it is compatible with AI. The only one that is not is DBB as far as I know.

However, the Ironman scenarios are specifically intended to be played against the AI, and their AI is more developed and likely to surprise you than the AI in stock, RA or Babes Lite.

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 3:45:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		interesting... im an experienced player about witp, total novice playing it, i won guadalcanal scenario as japanese, but NEVERplayed a full campaign. so... really i like the what if scenario RA, iron man maybe so difficult to me or not who knows!!!

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 3:46:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: razanon

oh but reluctant only is as PBem?? i wanted to choose that one


RA is like Babes Lite in that it is compatible with AI. The only one that is not is DBB as far as I know.

However, the Ironman scenarios are specifically intended to be played against the AI, and their AI is more developed and likely to surprise you than the AI in stock, RA or Babes Lite.


Not to mention that the IJN AI has significantly more units and seemingly higher XP. I would not be surprised if Andy did the same thing with the Allies, though if they have increased potency from the very start of the war I would be very, very scared of playing it.

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 3:50:13 PM   
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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 5:11:23 PM   
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Scen 1 = easiest only play v AI on Hard or higher strongly recommend at least 2 day turns
Revenge of Dorniers = hard but not impossible recommed Hard difficulty (not Very hard) you can do 1 day turns but would still recommend 2 day
Ironman Nasty Allied = Normal Difficulty maybe Hard but def not very hard - 1 day turns ok 2 still better

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 5:26:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		mmm great andy, what is 1 day turn? its an option? (im not at home atm) thx at all

EDIT: ah ok i understand day turns issue. ok ok

revenge of the dorniers playing vs allied AI??

and ironman nasty too?

can anyone paste links? (i tried but a lot of scenarios here, dunn understand much)

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 7:17:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		For an IJ player, I imagine this is the order of difficulty:

Scen 2: lowest
Scen 1: step up from Scen 2, most historical order of battle
Ironman: big step up from historical scenarios
Ironman Nasty: step up from regular Ironman

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 7:53:25 PM   
razanon

 

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Status: offline 		gotcha guys, so as japanese player the best real and challenging option is nasty 17 scenario correct?
no RA
no dabigbabes...

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 8:38:19 PM   
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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 8:41:03 PM   
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Correct albeit there is an even nastier version of nasty that I have not released yet......


Andy, I think you may have a problem...

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 8:41:57 PM   
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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 9:16:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		you can try next generation: supernastyimpossibleironsteeledman scenario. :)

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 9:49:34 PM   
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Well someone said they had crushed the nasty version and that made me unhappy......


Pax doesn't count!

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/12/2013 10:04:04 PM   
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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/13/2013 2:04:12 AM   
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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/13/2013 12:28:07 PM   
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Ironman Nasty is NASTY. A Nasty NASty version? OucH!!


From what they say, its all your fault that it is so nasty.


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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/13/2013 4:43:00 PM   
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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/13/2013 6:57:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: razanon
hi friends it will be a difficult question... but let me explain:

as JFB you have these most important options:

Dabigbabes
ironman allied ai
reluctant admiral

what is the best one to play versus ai and enjoy most?

please explain the answers. playing seriously witpae is not a joke so i need to be sure what scenario i will play montsh and months.

thx a lot masters of the pacific.

BigBabes and Reluctant Admiral aren't good scenarios to play as the Japanese. They work ok against a Japanese AI, but don't work to well as a Japanese player against the Allied AI.

For a JFB playing against an Allied AI, I suggest you try AndyMac's Ironman scenarios. I 'think' drw61 has some of the Babes things ported to stock, but these would be BabesLite which are stock in all but name.

Wish I had better answers for you, but I don't. Best bet is trying AndyMac's Ironman things.

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/13/2013 7:19:50 PM   
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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/13/2013 8:52:59 PM   
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I would think that RA would be the opposite. It has a lot of new ships and reorganized IJN ground forces, but the Allies are mostly the same as stock.

I am so sorry I said anything. I'm sure everyone knows everything about anything. Obviously you all know ... (whether you do or not) Last you will ever hear from me. Have a nice time.

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/13/2013 9:04:13 PM   
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All I ever see is you flying off the handle and calling other posters names if they don't take every word of yours to be gospel. You know a lot, but your people skills suck.

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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/13/2013 9:10:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Symon


quote:

ORIGINAL: razanon
hi friends it will be a difficult question... but let me explain:

as JFB you have these most important options:

Dabigbabes
ironman allied ai
reluctant admiral

what is the best one to play versus ai and enjoy most?

please explain the answers. playing seriously witpae is not a joke so i need to be sure what scenario i will play montsh and months.

thx a lot masters of the pacific.

BigBabes and Reluctant Admiral aren't good scenarios to play as the Japanese. They work ok against a Japanese AI, but don't work to well as a Japanese player against the Allied AI.

For a JFB playing against an Allied AI, I suggest you try AndyMac's Ironman scenarios. I 'think' drw61 has some of the Babes things ported to stock, but these would be BabesLite which are stock in all but name.

Wish I had better answers for you, but I don't. Best bet is trying AndyMac's Ironman things.


John is dead on with his comments here. I don't think RA would be very good against the AI. It'll work but I am not sure how well it would work. Has anyone played it vs. the AI for any period of time?




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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/13/2013 11:59:26 PM   
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Ironman Nasty is NASTY. A Nasty NASty version? OucH!!


From what they say, its all your fault that it is so nasty.



I have never said that I have "crushed" the Nasty version. I have been able to make headway, yes. Win some battle, yes.

The Nasty version already (perceptions here, I have NOT looked at the data file) has:
Dorniers with 8 Torps and Pilots skill/exp of 100/100
CVN Enterprise shipping with F-14 Tomcats, commanded by Ian.
An entire CORPS (some 1500 tubes) of Long Tom's commanded by John.

Anyway, when Andy says in one of his posts you need to move on your primary targets quickly .... Yeah, you REALLY need to have a fast timetable and stay on track. Some of those locations, once they get to Forts +lvl3, you may never take them.

I can't imagine what he put in for the NASTY Nasty version.


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RE: best scenario for a JFB?? - 6/14/2013 1:05:19 AM   
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