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Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 2:12:11 AM   
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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 2:12:43 AM   
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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 2:13:09 AM   
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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 3:19:08 PM   
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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 3:45:51 PM   
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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 5:09:03 PM   
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It would be nice if the ship was able to be preserved somewhere since she's the first nuclear carrier, but that's so expensive for a ship of that size.

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 5:12:51 PM   
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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 5:44:42 PM   
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I imagine scrapping her will not be cheap either. You can't just cut up the reactor even after you remove the fuel.


The program works pretty well for subs, with the reactor compartments currently stored in trenches at Hanford (to be buried real soon now.) Several nuke skimmers are still in the pipeline at Bremerton; they are substantially harder to cut up than cylindrical sub hulls. Enterprise is the first nuke carrier to be sent for processing, and will be a bear given the realities of eight reactors and the depth they are buried in the hull. It will be very ticklish to get them out and still keep the rest of the hull from collapsing in on itself. Once out they are exactly like a sub reactor in relative size and radcon challenges. I expect they'll end up in the trenches in Washington with the rest.

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 5:48:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Any idea if it will be named another ship to honor her ?  (and i think at least about 3 CVs which are allready in servise/constuction and they dont desrve names of president they have, since that president did nothing imoprant/good).
Or her hame will be saved for future ncc-1701 ?

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 5:54:21 PM   
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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 6:28:18 PM   
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Any idea if it will be named another ship to honor her ?  (and i think at least about 3 CVs which are allready in servise/constuction and they dont desrve names of president they have, since that president did nothing imoprant/good).
Or her hame will be saved for future ncc-1701 ?


There was a move in Congress last winter to name one of the Ford-class (the third one?) CVNs "Enterprise." Normally naming flows from SecNav's office without Congress getting involved, but if Congress wants a name it usually gets it. We'll be without a Big-E for awhile, decades, but not until Starfleet acts.

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 6:30:29 PM   
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No surprise here. If they could scrap CV6 after its distinguished career, they can scrap anything without remorse. May as well scrap the USS Constitution.


We have a deficit. I read in today's paper than NIH funding has been slashed to all-time lows under sequestration. I think Enterprise is historic too, but I'd rather have a cure for diabetes or Alzheimers.

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 6:38:29 PM   
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No surprise here. If they could scrap CV6 after its distinguished career, they can scrap anything without remorse. May as well scrap the USS Constitution.


We have a deficit. I read in today's paper than NIH funding has been slashed to all-time lows under sequestration. I think Enterprise is historic too, but I'd rather have a cure for diabetes or Alzheimers.


FWIW I'm not that worried about CV65 anyway.

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 8:45:27 PM   
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I imagine scrapping her will not be cheap either. You can't just cut up the reactor even after you remove the fuel.


The program works pretty well for subs, with the reactor compartments currently stored in trenches at Hanford (to be buried real soon now.) Several nuke skimmers are still in the pipeline at Bremerton; they are substantially harder to cut up than cylindrical sub hulls. Enterprise is the first nuke carrier to be sent for processing, and will be a bear given the realities of eight reactors and the depth they are buried in the hull. It will be very ticklish to get them out and still keep the rest of the hull from collapsing in on itself. Once out they are exactly like a sub reactor in relative size and radcon challenges. I expect they'll end up in the trenches in Washington with the rest.


In other words it will slowly end up in the Columbia River.

Eight reactors...wow. What do the Russians do? Just sink the things n the Arctic?

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 9:46:34 PM   
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Any idea if it will be named another ship to honor her ?  (and i think at least about 3 CVs which are allready in servise/constuction and they dont desrve names of president they have, since that president did nothing imoprant/good).
Or her hame will be saved for future ncc-1701 ?


There was a move in Congress last winter to name one of the Ford-class (the third one?) CVNs "Enterprise." Normally naming flows from SecNav's office without Congress getting involved, but if Congress wants a name it usually gets it. We'll be without a Big-E for awhile, decades, but not until Starfleet acts.


During CVN-65's decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that CVN-80 would be named Enterprise.

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 10:44:09 PM   
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I imagine scrapping her will not be cheap either. You can't just cut up the reactor even after you remove the fuel.


The program works pretty well for subs, with the reactor compartments currently stored in trenches at Hanford (to be buried real soon now.) Several nuke skimmers are still in the pipeline at Bremerton; they are substantially harder to cut up than cylindrical sub hulls. Enterprise is the first nuke carrier to be sent for processing, and will be a bear given the realities of eight reactors and the depth they are buried in the hull. It will be very ticklish to get them out and still keep the rest of the hull from collapsing in on itself. Once out they are exactly like a sub reactor in relative size and radcon challenges. I expect they'll end up in the trenches in Washington with the rest.


In other words it will slowly end up in the Columbia River.

Eight reactors...wow. What do the Russians do? Just sink the things n the Arctic?



They're supposed to be lined trenches with a 500-year-plus time before failure. I think failure is defined as pinhole leaks. I have a brand new B-I-L, former Navy nuc officer, who works at Hanford. If I ever meet him I could ask.

Eight was a one-off. I think the Nimitz-class has two, but the truth is classified most likely. The Soviets did lay some old reactors on the surface ice I think, but not over ocean. FWIW we sank the reactors from the very first nuke subs to be decommed in deep water in the Atlantic.

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 10:44:56 PM   
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Any idea if it will be named another ship to honor her ?  (and i think at least about 3 CVs which are allready in servise/constuction and they dont desrve names of president they have, since that president did nothing imoprant/good).
Or her hame will be saved for future ncc-1701 ?


There was a move in Congress last winter to name one of the Ford-class (the third one?) CVNs "Enterprise." Normally naming flows from SecNav's office without Congress getting involved, but if Congress wants a name it usually gets it. We'll be without a Big-E for awhile, decades, but not until Starfleet acts.


During CVN-65's decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that CVN-80 would be named Enterprise.


So, he got the memo.

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 11:03:47 PM   
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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 11:08:49 PM   
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When the Congress controls the funding the naming if "requested" will be honored.


Thus the USS Mendel Rivers SSN-686 and USS William H. Bates SSN-680, notable fish species.

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/23/2013 11:32:01 PM   
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Eight was a one-off. I think the Nimitz-class has two, but the truth is classified most likely. The Soviets did lay some old reactors on the surface ice I think, but not over ocean. FWIW we sank the reactors from the very first nuke subs to be decommed in deep water in the Atlantic.


Nimitz class has 2 A4W reactors. I split atoms in both of them. Going to have to cut some pretty big holes in the ship to get them out.

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/24/2013 5:12:43 AM   
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When the Congress controls the funding the naming if "requested" will be honored.


Thus the USS Mendel Rivers SSN-686 and USS William H. Bates SSN-680, notable fish species.


Yeah.

I wish we had kept naming our CVs after battles rather than presidents. I rather liked the naming scheme of person = DD, city = cruiser, state = BB, etc.

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/24/2013 1:37:29 PM   
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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/24/2013 2:02:51 PM   
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When the Congress controls the funding the naming if "requested" will be honored.


Thus the USS Mendel Rivers SSN-686 and USS William H. Bates SSN-680, notable fish species.


Yeah.

I wish we had kept naming our CVs after battles rather than presidents. I rather liked the naming scheme of person = DD, city = cruiser, state = BB, etc.


Well president-politicians write cheques... battles and cities don't


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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/24/2013 2:11:13 PM   
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Yeah.

I wish we had kept naming our CVs after battles rather than presidents. I rather liked the naming scheme of person = DD, city = cruiser, state = BB, etc.


Recent ship naming, from not-yet-dead presidents, to Congresswoman Giffords, to Caesar Chavez, is nothing more than political pandering.

I think it's fair to lay the origins for this sad trend on Adm. Rickover who stopped the naming of submarines after marine life and opted for names of states and cities, and politicians, because, as he said, "Fish don't vote, and fish don't appropriate."

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/24/2013 9:16:53 PM   
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Yeah.

I wish we had kept naming our CVs after battles rather than presidents. I rather liked the naming scheme of person = DD, city = cruiser, state = BB, etc.


Recent ship naming, from not-yet-dead presidents, to Congresswoman Giffords, to Caesar Chavez, is nothing more than political pandering.

I think it's fair to lay the origins for this sad trend on Adm. Rickover who stopped the naming of submarines after marine life and opted for names of states and cities, and politicians, because, as he said, "Fish don't vote, and fish don't appropriate."


True enough. It's unfortunate. I think naming subs after cities (and later, SSBNs after states) is OK, given that we no longer have a large cruiser fleet.

And honestly, I feel naming CVs after Nimitz and such is fine. I guess. Even H. W. Bush, JFK, and Ford, given their naval service. But Reagan? Come on now...he was in the army! LBJ got a DDG... where's the consistency?!


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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/24/2013 9:30:44 PM   
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Yeah.

I wish we had kept naming our CVs after battles rather than presidents. I rather liked the naming scheme of person = DD, city = cruiser, state = BB, etc.


Recent ship naming, from not-yet-dead presidents, to Congresswoman Giffords, to Caesar Chavez, is nothing more than political pandering.

I think it's fair to lay the origins for this sad trend on Adm. Rickover who stopped the naming of submarines after marine life and opted for names of states and cities, and politicians, because, as he said, "Fish don't vote, and fish don't appropriate."


True enough. It's unfortunate. I think naming subs after cities (and later, SSBNs after states) is OK, given that we no longer have a large cruiser fleet.

And honestly, I feel naming CVs after Nimitz and such is fine. I guess. Even H. W. Bush, JFK, and Ford, given their naval service. But Reagan? Come on now...he was in the army! LBJ got a DDG... where's the consistency?!


warspite1

Well look on the bright side...at least you still have a navy to use those great names on


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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/24/2013 9:34:23 PM   
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When the Congress controls the funding the naming if "requested" will be honored.


Thus the USS Mendel Rivers SSN-686 and USS William H. Bates SSN-680, notable fish species.


Yeah.

I wish we had kept naming our CVs after battles rather than presidents. I rather liked the naming scheme of person = DD, city = cruiser, state = BB, etc.


We never did have that naming convention for carriers. It was always mixed.

Langley, Enterprise, Wasp, Hornet, Boxer, Bon Homme Richard, Cabot, FDR, Ranger, etc. were none of them battle names.

The use of states is hopelessly corrupted now with BBs, Ohio-class, and now a whole class of SSNs.

For awhile cruisers were famous battles, but for a long time before and since so were large amphibs.

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/24/2013 9:36:08 PM   
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Yeah.

I wish we had kept naming our CVs after battles rather than presidents. I rather liked the naming scheme of person = DD, city = cruiser, state = BB, etc.


Recent ship naming, from not-yet-dead presidents, to Congresswoman Giffords, to Caesar Chavez, is nothing more than political pandering.

I think it's fair to lay the origins for this sad trend on Adm. Rickover who stopped the naming of submarines after marine life and opted for names of states and cities, and politicians, because, as he said, "Fish don't vote, and fish don't appropriate."


True enough. It's unfortunate. I think naming subs after cities (and later, SSBNs after states) is OK, given that we no longer have a large cruiser fleet.

And honestly, I feel naming CVs after Nimitz and such is fine. I guess. Even H. W. Bush, JFK, and Ford, given their naval service. But Reagan? Come on now...he was in the army! LBJ got a DDG... where's the consistency?!




And Carter, the only nuclear-trained officer in the bunch, gets a spec ops sub. In that one 3-sub class we have three naming conventions!

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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/24/2013 9:51:35 PM   
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When I saw the photo's of Enterprise , I asked my spouse (Who was aboard her with the Admiral's staff)..."want to see your old ship?" She said no, shaking her head sadly. Then she pulled out a Photo of Enterprise silhouetted in the sun set. "This how I want to remember her".  




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RE: Enterprise - Here we go again... - 6/24/2013 11:57:44 PM   
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One weekend in my youth , I did a local recruiting booth at a mall (my brother in law was a recruiter). An old salt spotted my crackerjacks and bee-lined over to ask me some questions on the state of the current Navy. "Is it true that My old ship's name (USS Leyte) was given to a "tin can"? He asked. "No sir, Leyte Gulf is a Cruiser". This confused him. "Before the war I was on a light cruiser, the Omaha. Is that name in the fleet?" Yes sir, she's a submarine". That really confused him. The he said, "I was also on the Portland. Is that a sub too?' "No sir , she's a LSD". Shaking his head he limped away , saying over and over again, "G-D Navy!".

When I saw the photo's of Enterprise , I asked my spouse (Who was aboard her with the Admiral's staff)..."want to see your old ship?" She said no, shaking her head sadly. Then she pulled out a Photo of Enterprise silhouetted in the sun set. "This how I want to remember her".  





Beautiful pic, can't blame her!

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