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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 1:00:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I don't think the equaiton works out that way as long as the current base configuration is in place.

I bet the KB comes west (south true) of Sumatra, as John won't want to transit narrow waters clogged with subs next to a level three airfield.

If he comes west of Sumatra, any battle takes place out in the open somewhere in the open reaches. Damaged Allies ships report to Diego and Colombo. Subs will be there, but there are many choices. Damaged Japanese ships probably don't chance the Malacca Straits, so they have to go back around Oosthaven and thence to Batavia or Singapore or Saigon or Manila.


I'd put my 5c on JIII making a wide sweep outside of Cocos with the intention of hitting your returning shipping and avoiding a head on in an environment where your LBA can be of great help.
I also wouldnt be worrying about how my damaged ships would retire. I would be planning to win.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 1:37:24 PM   
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Arleigh Burke proves his mettle as a leader of a combat patrol TF:

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Singapore at 50,84, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Shuko Maru #2, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PB Shonon Maru #10, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
PB Showa Maru #3, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Syoto Maru, Shell hits 6
xAK Yamagiku Maru
xAK Yuzan Maru
xAK Nanko Maru, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
xAK Argun Maru, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Kosin Maru, Shell hits 6, heavy fires
xAK Kurohime Maru
xAK Ryuun Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
xAK Daisin Maru, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Sugiyama Maru, Shell hits 24, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Tyoko Maru, Shell hits 19, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Hakusika Maru, Shell hits 32, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Fletcher
DD Nicholas
DD O'Bannon


I stand corrected and am eating my words! Japanese nightmare. Parts of the "co-prosperity sphere" are becoming a "no shipping allowed area". If Tojo wants to ship it, he can CAP it and provide a heavy combat escort. Hope you have your B-25's training on low level naval.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 2:05:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sure John will be crowing over sinking a ship or two here and there - but his losses are certainly piling up now (added to what he lost in his recent abortive IO adventure).

I don't think he really understands the level of experience your crews have gained....this is going to be a lot bloodier than he expects, I'm sure.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 2:19:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		All the Kates and Vals are coming from airfields. Vals I think from Victoria Point, Kates I think from Singapore, Benkolen, etc. I think John is scrambling to get a torp-HQ into place. I think he also has his CVE TF somewhere close by awaiting the KB. Overall, I think John had no defenses to speak of in this theater. Everything was concentrated in Burma and New Guinea.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 2:24:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffK
I'd put my 5c on JIII making a wide sweep outside of Cocos with the intention of hitting your returning shipping and avoiding a head on in an environment where your LBA can be of great help.
I also wouldnt be worrying about how my damaged ships would retire. I would be planning to win.


I think he'll take a more or less direct route between Cocos and Java. Sumatra is priority one for him. I do think he has his eyes on the waters to the south, for reasons you've pointed out, and he may sweep there at some point, or divert some escort carriers for patrol. Early this morning, I mulled over how to get some sealift capacity back to Oz. I think I might hazard xAK and xAP, but I think AK and AP might stay in India or take the safe Capetown route.

There is one important TF way down NW of Cocos - an air transport carrying critical naval aircraft. When the USN carriers left Pearl Harbor a long time ago, I replaced a few strike aircraft with fighter squadrons. The strike aircraft have been following in an air transport TF that has always lagged badly. That poor little exposed TF had to pass New Zealand (sub choked waters) by it's lonesome. Now it's low on fuel - but it does have enough - and stumbling towards Cocos, where I can unload those air squadrons.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 2:26:01 PM   
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I stand corrected and am eating my words! Japanese nightmare. Parts of the "co-prosperity sphere" are becoming a "no shipping allowed area". If Tojo wants to ship it, he can CAP it and provide a heavy combat escort. Hope you have your B-25's training on low level naval.


I think these were empty troop transports awaiting units to arrive by rail in Singapore. If Singers isn't secure, and if John can't safely land troops at Tandjoen, then his timeline for Sumatra lengthens considerably. Meanwhile, I want to get Burke and his TF back to Sabang to reprovision. Three more Fletchers are inbound to Sabang - one a day or two away, the others perhaps four days out.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 2:34:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Allies have a large concentration of B-25s in Assam (and thus readily available to Sumatra). For the first four or five months, every one of them was training Low Naval, but that changed. During the Assam campaign, those bombers have been the workhouse of my efforts to pound exposed and vulnerable enemy troops in the plains of Burma. Since we have a house rule preventing the use of 4EB against troops outside of bases, the Mitchells have had to serve as ground pounders.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 3:12:23 PM   
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Yeah, I think John brings his carriers and combat ships for the decisive battle. I agree.

But no matter what happens, I doubt John is going to recapture Sumatra. The Allies are going to end up with 500 to 750 AV at Sabang including tanks and SWPac HQ. The Allies have already gone toe-to-toe with the IJ airforce for months in Burma and have held their own. Veteran pilots from that campaign will be flying the best fighters available - I think the P-40K can stand up to anything. At sea, I think Allied combat seapower should be roughly equal to Japan (which has at least four BBs down or out now). The carriers are a wild card. Don't know how that ends up. But my early guess is that the Allies have too much, with relatively short LOCs to Ceylon and Assam. Even if things go sour for the Allies it should be months before John could close the chapter on this operation. I don't intend to lose, of course, and the Allies have a big headstart on Fortress Sabang.


Yes, I think you are right here. He is unlikely to throw you out. Which sort of answers your question to yourself. You know he has to try.

You have built your "tar baby" and he will have no choice but to put his fist in it....


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 4:07:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm working on orders for the next turn right now, so I've just had my first chance to "look at the map" and see what's where and the details behind the combat report I posted last night. Some important gleanings:

1. Sabang is replenishing all ammunition, including main armaments for the fast USN battleships. The port is only level one, but there is 153 naval support (and growing) plus three AE and an AKE. This is critical - the Allied fleet does not have to retire to Colombo to replenish (as long as Sabang is operational).

2. Two Air HQ units have landed at Sabang. The Allies have land-based torp capability. The Avenger squadron has jumped to Sabang from Akyab.

3. John appears to be shifting everything he can from Burma to Victoria Point. I had two combat TFs slated to hit that base last night. One (three DDs) is a few hexes away (no detection) and will go in tonight. A much bigger TF with a CA didn't even leave Sabang, which is very odd. I hope it decides to do so tonight. The Allied carriers are also going to take station six hexes from Victoria Point. There's a ton of Japanese shipping in the water between Rangoon and Victoria Point. There's also a mass retrograde movement of Japanese troops in Burma. If the Allies can blunt or cripple Japanese ability to reinforce Malaya from Burma, well, wow!

4. I think there's a chance the Allied army at Sibolga is in good enough shape to attack. They're going to try tomorrow. I'm hoping a bombardment TF with two fast BBs can make it that far from Sabang. I would bring in B-25s to hit the enemy, but jungle bombing is not effective.

5. 38th Division is landing at Sabang. There's one more big troop convoy inbound, carrying another division and 2nd Marine Paratroops. That's a critical convoy.

6. The advance Marine units that landed at Langsa have "vanished." They're gone. 60 AV that had lots of supply. Don't know what the problem is. 27th Div. will make an amphibious landing there. They can begin loading tomorrow, as soon as the AP and AK at Sabang finish unloading supply.

7. It looks like Phuket, the island to the south and Alor Star are weakly garrisoned (I thought the former two were vacant). I'm sending reinforcements - including 100+ AV of 18th UK Div. already loaded at Sabang and making for Alor Star (and Indian brigade is two days away). At full speed, they might make it next turn. The small contingent of 18th Div. already at Alor Star will attack tomorrow. If the ships arrive and unload the reinforcements, the attack could succeed. If the ships don't arrive, the attack will fail, but it'll be round one. I can see the wisdom of pushing hard at Alor Star (and Phuket and vicinity). If these operations succeed, John has a new crisis much closer to Singers that takes all his priority. Until that crisis is resolved, it probably takes off alot of the heat at "rear" bases like Sibolga and Langsa.

8. By tomorrow, the Allies will have the last of the four islands of the west side of upper Sumatra. None are strongly garrisoned - 20 to 30 AV - but these troops are well supplied and prepping hard (most in the 20s or 30s now). So these bases aren't "freebies."

9. The USN carrier air is in great shape. Only a few aircraft lost thus far - nearly all squadrons are currently 99% airworthy. Not sure if the carriers can replenish yet at Sabang. Don't have time to find out yet and nt sure I ever will (don't want carriers at Sabang when the KB shows up).

10. And what about the KB? It's time to start looking and watching. Patrols operating out of those western Sumatra Islands are reporting IJ shipping at Singapore and near Palembang, but nothing at sea. I'm watching.

11. A remnant Dutch unit in the jungles of south Sumatra has moved into an unoccupied enemy base adjacnet to Palembang and reports one enemy units at that oil center. The Dutch unit has no AV, so it can't do anything except provide intel.

12. John has opportunities. He's coming hard. But, darn, he is just totally caught with his pants down around his ankles and midway through his daily constitutional. He's gotta be agitated and discombobulated and stressed to the max. He'll bring overwhelming force, but proximity and pressure = an environment in which mistakes thrive. Job one for me is to be on the positive side of that equation.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 4:28:01 PM   
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7. It looks like Phuket, the island to the south and Alor Star are weakly garrisoned (I thought the former two were vacant). I'm sending reinforcements - including 100+ AV of 18th UK Div. already loaded at Sabang and making for Alor Star (and Indian brigade is two days away). At full speed, they might make it next turn. The small contingent of 18th Div. already at Alor Star will attack tomorrow. If the ships arrive and unload the reinforcements, the attack could succeed. If the ships don't arrive, the attack will fail, but it'll be round one. I can see the wisdom of pushing hard at Alor Star (and Phuket and vicinity). If these operations succeed, John has a new crisis much closer to Singers that takes all his priority. Until that crisis is resolved, it probably takes off alot of the heat at "rear" bases like Sibolga and Langsa.


And then push hard and fast east to cut the rail link between Singers and Bangkok. Maybe those Marine paratroopers could lend a hand. With a viable threat to SE Asia and Malaya, Sumatra becomes a backwater. Just my 2 cents.

No wait, disregard that! I'm supposed to be a JFB.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 4:37:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm going to try hard to cut that rail line. But it's going to take days, in all probability. John knows that's coming, so he's working even now to prevent it. So, ultimately, I think it doesn't happen. But even if it doesn't, it's worth it for two reasons:

1. It keeps John focused much closer to Singers, giving me a better chance to take places like Sibolga, Langsa and Medan (the latter is going to be tough too, I think).

2. I think John doesn't have anything decent close to Singapore. He's seems to be counting on Burma for the bulk of his near-term reinforcments. That operation, in turn, requires Victoria Point (Georgetown is too close and there's nothing north of VP that's on a rail line). No doubt John's bringing stuff fast from the New Guinea theater (and what he can take from Java, Timor, etc.), but judging by the activity on the map and SigInt (12st Garrison unit aboard marus bound for VP), he's really scrambling to pull in troops.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 4:46:11 PM   
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1. Sabang is replenishing all ammunition, including main armaments for the fast USN battleships. The port is only level one, but there is 153 naval support (and growing) plus three AE and an AKE. This is critical - the Allied fleet does not have to retire to Colombo to replenish (as long as Sabang is operational).

IIRC AE/AKE ships do not cooperate with the base directly (port size, nav support), instead they work according to their own cargo capacity. So, one or more of your AE/AKE ships has large enough capacity to reload the BBs.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 4:49:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, I see. Thanks for that nugget of info. I'll have to closely monitor those AE/AKE and judiciously replenish.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 4:49:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Canoerebel, is it possible that the TF at Langsa reloaded the marines and withdrew, perhaps because of the "air threat"? This happens if the amphib TF is not set to "Direct/Absolute" routing orders.
Otherwise, there should be messages like " xx Marine unit disperses" on the combat report.
If it is another bug in the mod like the landing of amphib troops in Strat mode, it's time to call for Michael M's help.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 5:30:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps you already discussed it (I do not remember it, sorry) but, do you have any plans to strike in another far away place, now that John's attention is fully in Sumatra-Malaysia area?

PS: of course, in view of your recent success with this fine maskirovka, I understand if you are not eager to share those plans with us

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 5:40:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		BBFanboy, I don't think that happened (amphib TFs reloading the troops at Langsa). I'm wondering if my BB bombardments didn't hit my troops, wiping out supply and rendering the men "wiped out by attrition."

Galahad. No comment. Well, small comment. Sealift capacity and political points limit what I can do right now, but I've know what I want to do when and where since this operation got underway back in early October.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 5:42:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is it conceivable that the KB chase you all over the map until you decide to fight? Ceylon and Diego are OK ports but you can not simply disband and let the LBA defend you. WOuld you retreat to a wormhole and lose all honor?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 5:53:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		John, no way the Allies retreat off the map. Certainly, though, parry and thrust enter into the equation. IE, I'll maneuver for maximum possible advantage in crafting a fight. But this sitaution is exactly like the First and Second Battles of Assam (though much bigger): In both cases, the Allies took a strong position and elected to (had to) stay and fight because....how can they retire when the battle, the theater, the war are on the line?

But Colombo and Ceylon are much stouter than you might credit. Seriously, does anybody think John is going to orchestrate a naval strike that far out? Colombo is a level nine airfield with 300 air support. It currently has 125 fighters and nearly the entire airforce from Assam can be there in at most two days and no more than three. You think John is going to take on combine LBA and carrier air and then have to retire damaged ships all the way to Singapore via the Malacca Straits or the Sunda Straits? There is no freaking way. (Or, if there is, my opponent is so addled and stressed that he's lost all control.)

Anybody think I'm misjudging things?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 6:04:35 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 6:09:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here are a few comments about the game.

First, as you can imagine, this has been just a blast. To have the tension and uncertainty of a vast operation that took forever to come to fruition come to fruiton in such a mighty way is simply amazingly fun. So, I tip my cap to the designer of this game and to my opponent, who fights hard and who is aggressive and who flips turns as often as possible and who sometimes irritates me but who I really, really like and who I know well enough to sometimes be able to put together amazingly intricate and fun plans that don't get sniffed out for Just In Time Reinforcements, Part III.

I am aware that the fun won't last and that big hurts are coming. That won't be fun. But dang, what a game!

Now, a true story about OpSec that may put everything into perspective. I once played a PBEM match as Allies against a crafty opponent who orchestrated a huge 1944 invasion of southern India. I had nothing there...except, one slow R-Class BB had just finished upgrading at Bombay and was enroute to Colombo. It just so happened that on the very turn the Japanese amphbious armada arrived at Trivandrum to begin unloading, said BB was in that hex. My opponent howled and screamed OpSec violation! I was beside myself that my honor had been questioned! It took us some turns and some harsh words to get that straighted out. Eventually, my opponent realized that nobody sends an unescorted BB into harm's way. Point being - a small coincidence was sufficient to unleash doubts about my integrity and OpSec.

My opponent in that game? John III.

Same thing in this game, but on a vastly larger scale. I won't go back through the details, but talk about massive consecutive coincidences and predictions! Anyhow, you can see how such an environment might breed questions. You can also imagine how somebody totally innocent - as John III is, of that I've never had a doubt - would be highly agitated, mortified, stricken and fuming about allegations of dishonor. So, gents, if any of you harbor any doubts, I hope you will agree that the circumstances warrant total dismissal of OpSec concerns. If anyone has publicly stated (as in John III's AAr) reservations about OPSec, I hope you can see it in your hearts to publicly withdraw them and repair any breach.

Now, I will say that it is possible for any player (including me) to pick up very subtle almost subliminal things through AAR comments. In the hands of a smart and wary AAR keeper, those things may coalesce in remarkably insightful ways that yield strong hunches. I think that kind of thing will happen in every game wtih an AAR. For instance, in this game, you guys have been remarkably, commendably, assiduously careful not to reveal OpSec. But I seemed to pick up sublte undercurrents that suggested my maskirovka might be working (though, at the same time, I was harboring doubts that some Japanese fans might even be performing counter-good feelings.). Let emphasize - these were the smallest of things - an attitude, a concern, and ephemera like that. OpSec violation? Of course not. Nobody even had the slightest idea that I might be able to sniff the slightest thing. But I'm convinced that any AAR is going to generate small electricl and magnetic undercurrents that almost become a part of the game. So, did John benefit from something like that? Probably. I just think that's universal, 100% unintentional, and 100% impossible to prevent.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 6:10:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think he has to go big or go home. The KB can't really loiter in the Indian Ocean forever. He is not likely to sneak up on you. Unless he can institute a blockade you have no particular reason to engage in the decisive battle. Dividing the KB doesn't work. It's either dig in for massive land and air battle of attrition or change the conversation. I don't know John and he hasn't discussed any detailed plans but from what others have written I think he wants to change the conversation.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 6:38:51 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 7:46:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Was Fuso up in Burma recently? she is one of the slow BB's. Perhaps she is leaving the area? I guess she is as fast as the mini KB so you are probably right. I just had a nasty Battle of Samar thought. I'd at least give thought to the KB chasing you off, or hopefully engaging you in the Indian Ocean. While the carriers are far away sending a big surface combat TF to clean up all those troublesome allied ships in the Straits of Malacca. Much too risky for this early in the war I suppose

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 8:04:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good point. IIRC, Fuso took a torp in the First Battle of Assam, several months back. She's had time to finish repairs. She might be heading into the IO through the Sunda Straits (between Java and Sumatra).

I think John will swing the KB wide to avoid Allied patrols from Sumatran islands and to possible pick off transports coming into Sabang - he's had plenty of patrol contact from Emilies operating out of Cocos Island for about five days. There are only two important TFs left - one carrying a division (and Marine 'chutes) that is just 29 hexes out of Sabang (probably getting close enough to be out of immediate danger). The second is the small air transport TF carrying three USN CV squadrons. That TF is 30 hexes out of Diego Garcia and close to map's edge. If necessary, that TF can divert to Capetown, though there might still be time to make it into Diego.

John may swing the KB wide in hopes of cutting off the retreat path of the Allied carriers back to Colombo. This merits thought, because probably the best fighting ground for the Allies is a spot as distant from the Sunda Straits as possible and as close to Colombo as possible. Midway between Sabang and Colombo would be nice.

A challenge for John is that he has fast carriers and slow carriers. How does he handle that? Does he spring the fast ones forward towards the sea lanes in the Sabang/Colombo/Diego triangle, with the slower ones coming behind (or possibly up the Malacca Straits, though I swear I don't think John does that).


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 8:09:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I also wonder if John has forgotten that you have torpedo-equipped squadrons available as well.....he's probably hoping that his CAP would be enough to stop anything you throw at him, but in his rush, who knows what he might forget.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 8:21:57 PM   
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Even while the Allies work the land and sea campaigns vs. targets in Sumatra and Malaya, the preparation (and anxiety) over the looming sea battle mounts.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 8:25:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only other possible use I can see for John's carriers would be a "let's run the gauntlet) to position them between Port Blair and Victoria Point to cover his LOC. That may be his fallback plan if the Allied carriers retire, but the only main plan I can see is his closing for carrier battle the sooner the better (immediately, to his way of thinking).

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 9:46:09 PM   
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If anyone has publicly stated (as in John III's AAr) reservations about OPSec, I hope you can see it in your hearts to publicly withdraw them and repair any breach.


Haven't seen this, Dan. You may be making a bit too much of this non-problem. John doesn't seem to think it was a problem. You don't seem to think it was much of a problem. Who cares what the peanut gallery thinks? Let's move on-it's a non-issue now.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 9:48:25 PM   
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In the hands of a smart and wary AAR keeper


Yes, but what about in your hands?



ETA:

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/26/2013 9:51:03 PM   
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(though, at the same time, I was harboring doubts that some Japanese fans might even be performing counter-good feelings.).


Well, yer right. DIE, ALLIED DOG!

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