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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 3:46:34 PM

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Have you thought about heavily mining the Malacca Straits with subs? I might have missed this if you have mentioned it or someone else did.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 4:10:53 PM

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And now, a commercial interruption [i.e. hijack] ...

OK - I have been quiet about this for a long time but my fifth grade teacher drilled some things into me that will not be compromised.

Let's get it straight: a strait does not have the letters "gh" and it may or may not be straight!

And "dire straights" would be heterosexual people opposed to gay marriage, while "dire straits" are narrow and hazardous channels that must be navigated carefully to avoid disaster.

Is everybody straight on straits now? Good! We resume the regular program ...
[/hijack off].

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 4:38:45 PM

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11/16/42 - Operation Des Wallace, D+6

Lots of small things happening today - no earth-shaking things - but the most encouraging thing was an item buried beneath the surface....

Sumatra and Malaya at Sea: This time the combat ships and minelayers go into Victoria Point. There isn't much there, but the Allies sink a DD, an xAK, and probably two big AMC. The minelayers do there work. No sign of enemy combat ships or carriers (yet). Japanese LBA sink a handful of xAK and one xAP operating naked on Sumatra's west coast and at the islands.

Sumatra and Malaya in the Air: Helens and Sallies hit Alor Star, indicating the priority John gives this base. Netties sortie from Port Blair against Quincy TF, but bleedover CAP from the carriers covers. About a dozen unescorted Avengers sortie from Sabang against one of the damaged AMC, but run into landbased CAP and get chewed up. The squadron retires to Colombo to regroup.

Sumatra and Malaya on the Ground: From most to least promising: Tanks evaporate what's left of Imperial Guards on the road near Sabang (about 50 AV gone), leaving just the sad remnants of 10th Garrison Unit to block the way to Langsa. Tanks shock attack at Alor Star while 18th UK (95% disrupted) rests; the attack fails, but the enemy is very weak. The attack at Sibolga fails, though the Japenese units are weaking (combined raw AV down below 40 now).

Malaya Tomorrow: At Alor Star, an Indian brigade and the tanks will shock attack while 18th UK deliberate attacks (it's really in bad shape, but has enough AV to offer something). Two BB TFs will bombard (I hope - it isn't far from Sabang, but ships have their own minds in this game). Three big Dakota sqadrons fresh in from Imphal will carry Marine paratroops (fresh in by fast transport) against Singora, across the peninsula from Alor Star. Recon shows that base held by just 220 mean (probably yet another airlift). There's a unit on the yellow road between Singora and Alor Star moving to reinforce the latter, so the Allies have to crack through very soon or the jig will be up.

Sumatra Tomorrow: Two bombardment TFs will hit Langsa. 1st Marines should be able to brush aside the remants of 10th Garrison on the road, thus permitting a general advance by land I think 37th Div., which is in pristine condition and 50% prepped for Langsa, will move by land. I think I'm going to amphibious load 27th Div. for an assault on Langsa by sea. Over at Sibolga, the troops simply have to rest for two to four days. They are out of gas with high disruption.

The Hidden Nugget: Sabang airfield went from 3.50 to 3.77 in a single day. So, the airfield will reach level four tomorrow and could reachlevel five in less than a week. This is most encouraging.

Burma: Allied 2EB continue to hammer two unprotected IJA divisions in the plains. The combat report shows both with seriously depleted raw AVs in the 150 to 200 range.

The Enemy: John seems to be concentrating on Benkolen (SW Sumatra) plus air transport to shore up Sumatra. No sign of a major push against upper Sumatra yet. With Victoria Point under interdiction by sea, John has a really tough job in getting troops from Rangoon into southern Malaya. If VP is closed, his only choices are air transport and crossing the peninsula through the jungle. That will take ages, so I suspect opening the LOC to VP might indeed become a huge priority.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 4:50:02 PM

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Have you thought about heavily mining the Malacca Straits with subs? I might have missed this if you have mentioned it or someone else did.

Yes, but at the moment I'm not mining them because my combat ships transit - including the Arleigh Burke DD TF which will check out Tandjoen tonight.

I have a dozen minelayers - perhaps seven DMs - at Sabang. The Allies can lay mines in quantity when needed. Sabang has 375 mines (and two ACM). Victoria Point has been mined.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 4:51:03 PM

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..Let's get it straight: a strait does not have the letters "gh" and it may or may not be straight!

I know. But in typing fast and often, I regularly use homonyms - "straights" for "straits," "their" for "there" etc. My bad. :)

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 4:54:04 PM

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BTW, whats the plan in Burma? Is John packing up the plantation or just tightening his lines? Do you envision pushing to Rangoon and beyond or picking you folks up and using them elsewhere?

The Allies will push as hard in Burma as they possibly can, meaning all or most of the army in place will stay there. I finally have that two-front war that I've wanted. I realize Sumatra isn't that far from Burma, but for the past week the Allies have been able to go about business in Burma in a much different way than before. Japan's air presence is probably 33% of what it was pre D-Day. The Allied air presence is probably 75%. So the Allies will use Burma as one of the two fronts. And if John pulls back too far, Rangoon and Moulmein will come into play and China will reopen. I think that's going to happen medium term.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 4:56:29 PM

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I still say option 5a invasion ofor at least neutralizing Ceylon (destroying port and shipyard) would be his best option. Could you really break his combined carrier air? Normally I'd say no, but then again John has gotten the KB chewed up a few times already so anything is possible. Otherwise option 3 is by far the most obvious choice, though there is a lot of merit in what Nemo says.

Real question is, if he comes through door number 3 what is he going to find? Are you going to stand and fight with your CVs and LBA or try and get it done with just LBA? Maybe you can fly your strike planes off the decks to Sabang? You should still be able to extract them if it all goes to hell, and have a nasty little surprise for John (facing Carrier air with no Carriers to sink).

How are your mine stockpiles looking, in particular sub laid mines? Could you mine the straights pretty heavily (more effective than your torpedoes at this stage of the war)? Say from Singapore north to Kuala Lumpur? Even if you only sank an xAKL or something else small, the presence of mines will almost certainly force him to use option number 3, to avoid sending KB through a minefield (probably the worst nightmare for JFB, losing a portion of KB to mines. A little late now, but it would have been great to have those Dutch mine-layer subs mine Mereck (sp? the base on the northern tip of Java) and the hex to the west.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 5:17:26 PM

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I don't know. I just don't see John III coming up the Malacca Straits with carriers. Like many (not all) players, he seems to have an enhanced fear of subs, to the point that I've often seen him avoid going the straight way when he knows they're around. And I do think the Straits are bad news - currently, there are at least 20 subs there. John will know or guess that. With a big Allied airfield, minelayers (he's seen them) and lots of combat ships hanging around Sabang...well, I just don't see it. Not from John III. He will want sea room - room to maneuver - and I think many players would viscerally - or at least subconciously - feel the same.

So, you guys may be right, but my money is on the IO. If he comes through the Straits, though, I'll be glad, because I think that offers the strongest combination of factors for the Allies.

I think Nemo too easily tosses off the sub threat. (Of course I'm going to say that.) The M. Strait is not open ocean. IJN ASW in 1942 is poor. IF you have subs there with working torpedoes the KB is at serious risk in the two good 1-hex choke points in the transit. Saying hitting them would be "attritional" is good jargon, but it means "they go away." Would some subs target ASW TFs? Of course. But 20 subs? You only have to get lucky once or twice to shift the carrier balance.

Read my AAR for a case where the M. Strait let the Allies get lucky in 1942 at the cost of an IJN carrier.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 5:18:28 PM

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And now, a commercial interruption [i.e. hijack] ...

OK - I have been quiet about this for a long time but my fifth grade teacher drilled some things into me that will not be compromised.

Let's get it straight: a strait does not have the letters "gh" and it may or may not be straight!

And "dire straights" would be heterosexual people opposed to gay marriage, while "dire straits" are narrow and hazardous channels that must be navigated carefully to avoid disaster.

Is everybody straight on straits now? Good! We resume the regular program ...
[/hijack off].

Guilty as charged! For some of us english is not our native language

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 5:33:56 PM

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Have you thought about heavily mining the Malacca Straits with subs? I might have missed this if you have mentioned it or someone else did.

Yes, but at the moment I'm not mining them because my combat ships transit - including the Arleigh Burke DD TF which will check out Tandjoen tonight.

I have a dozen minelayers - perhaps seven DMs - at Sabang. The Allies can lay mines in quantity when needed. Sabang has 375 mines (and two ACM). Victoria Point has been mined.

I figured you had.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 5:40:06 PM

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...IF you have subs there with working torpedoes the KB is at serious risk in the two good 1-hex choke points in the transit. ...

The Allies have roughly 20 subs operating in the straits (and more on the way, and all of them are now based out of Sabang). The subs are of four kinds - Dutch, British, S-Boat, and USN fleet. That means alot of the torps work.

I haven't done any sub minelaying in the game to speak of (just a little bit in NoPac and Home Islands months ago), so stockpiles are repleat. I think conventional mine stores are running low, because I laid 23 gazillion at Ramree, Akyab, Chittagong and now Sabang.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 5:52:26 PM

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..Let's get it straight: a strait does not have the letters "gh" and it may or may not be straight!

I know. But in typing fast and often, I regularly use homonyms - "straights" for "straits," "their" for "there" etc. My bad. :)

I ken! Not a shot at you when I wrote that, but the general population of the forum, 50% of whom use the word with the GH. I always wonder how someone trying to learn this crazy language ever sorts out the homonyms and words with multiple meanings!
When people write thing like "loose" for "lose" [e.g. I loose two DDs ...] and the foreigner looks it up he concludes that the writer sent two DDs free from whatever mission they had previously!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 6:05:50 PM

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I don't know. I just don't see John III coming up the Malacca Straits with carriers. Like many (not all) players, he seems to have an enhanced fear of subs, to the point that I've often seen him avoid going the straight way when he knows they're around. And I do think the Straits are bad news - currently, there are at least 20 subs there. John will know or guess that. With a big Allied airfield, minelayers (he's seen them) and lots of combat ships hanging around Sabang...well, I just don't see it. Not from John III. He will want sea room - room to maneuver - and I think many players would viscerally - or at least subconciously - feel the same.

So, you guys may be right, but my money is on the IO. If he comes through the Straits, though, I'll be glad, because I think that offers the strongest combination of factors for the Allies.

I think Nemo too easily tosses off the sub threat. (Of course I'm going to say that.) The M. Strait is not open ocean. IJN ASW in 1942 is poor. IF you have subs there with working torpedoes the KB is at serious risk in the two good 1-hex choke points in the transit. Saying hitting them would be "attritional" is good jargon, but it means "they go away." Would some subs target ASW TFs? Of course. But 20 subs? You only have to get lucky once or twice to shift the carrier balance.

Read my AAR for a case where the M. Strait let the Allies get lucky in 1942 at the cost of an IJN carrier.

While my sort of careful style agrees with your caution about subs in the strait, Nemo is a "big picture" kind of guy who is more than willing to sacrifice ships [even carriers] and troops and aircraft to reach a favourable strategic position. Once he has that, he does not need much strength to smash the enemy "strategic depth".

I am nowhere near close to being able to envision such a big picture of how things will look if I risk A,B and C at the same time, so I would do what Canoerebel is doing and see how things look from there. I doubt John III is thinking of strategic position right now with his "operational depth" compromised and his "strategic depth" in peril. I.E. he will not risk his carriers in the straits. I think Nemo is just pointing out possibilities for the bold, calculating player.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 6:08:25 PM

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And now, a commercial interruption [i.e. hijack] ...

OK - I have been quiet about this for a long time but my fifth grade teacher drilled some things into me that will not be compromised.

Let's get it straight: a strait does not have the letters "gh" and it may or may not be straight!

And "dire straights" would be heterosexual people opposed to gay marriage, while "dire straits" are narrow and hazardous channels that must be navigated carefully to avoid disaster.

Is everybody straight on straits now? Good! We resume the regular program ...
[/hijack off].

I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 6:14:10 PM

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...IF you have subs there with working torpedoes the KB is at serious risk in the two good 1-hex choke points in the transit. ...

The Allies have roughly 20 subs operating in the straits (and more on the way, and all of them are now based out of Sabang). The subs are of four kinds - Dutch, British, S-Boat, and USN fleet. That means alot of the torps work.

I haven't done any sub minelaying in the game to speak of (just a little bit in NoPac and Home Islands months ago), so stockpiles are repleat. I think conventional mine stores are running low, because I laid 23 gazillion at Ramree, Akyab, Chittagong and now Sabang.

I laid up to four sub-laid fields in the M. Strait earlier in our game. They last as long as they're supposed to in shallow water. They might help.

Re the KB's route. Of the options you laid out I think Gulf of Siam is safe but mostly useless for anything but extreme range ops right over Sabang. If he wants to use it in the Bay of B. or IO the M. Strait is by far the worse of the two routes out. The Sunda is under local LBA and is a 1-day transit to blue water. It's sub-dangerous too, but it's short. In the Cold War, believe me, NATO studied both pieces of geography for a Red Fleet sortie from the base at Cam Ranh Bay. I saw some of the response plans. The M. Strait is a nightmare for the transiting party and a defender's dream.

But it's an "if" he wants or needs the KB out in open water. That has big cons too. Damage and logistics. If he pushes the carriers out it makes everything in the region a high pucker factor for you. But if all he wants is a huge DB/TB hammer on the west coast he could off-load the air wings to PBang, Oosthaven, and Benkeolen (sp?) and park the hulls at CRB or Manila.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 6:19:28 PM

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I still say option 5a invasion ofor at least neutralizing Ceylon (destroying port and shipyard) would be his best option. Could you really break his combined carrier air? ...

Nooooooo waaaaayyyyyyy John does this. He has no idea how strongly held Ceylon is. Colombo is a level nine airfield with 190 fighters at the moment...and all the fighters and bombers at Sabang and on my carriers are one day out...and all the fighters and bombers in Assam are one or two days out. Ceylon = Suicide under these circumstances.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 6:19:36 PM

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Its by far the safest option, but it would make it very hard for CR to supply his Malaysian troops.

Japanese LBA strength in S.Sumatra and S. Malaysia would more than compensate, and engage CR in a battle of attrition for air frames that he's going to struggle to win.

Once the Allied LBA has been savaged, then the KB + Japanese LBA can isolate Sumatra at will.

Time is on CR's side, but John has a window to do this if he's clever, calm and quick

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 6:22:40 PM

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How is John going to savage Allied LBA? We've been fighting tooth-and-nail at close range in Burma for something like five months now, with John employing a majority of his fighteres, and he couldn't do it. I don't have the network of bases up and running yet (I probably will eventually), but neither does he. He can bring the KB, but my carriers are available. And I can swap planes in and out from Ceylon and Assam. I could be wrong, but I don't foresee John winning an air campaign unless he first wins a carrier battle that allows him to isolate Sabang and then pound it with BBs.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 6:27:38 PM

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I'm assuming that he's got good airbases (well, better than good to be honest) in South Malaysia and South Sumatra.

You haven't (yet)

I might well be wrong, and he's completely not done anything around there, but he should be able to have some advantage for at least a couple of months.

I think he's just hastening his doom if he wanders the KB up the West coast of Sumatra

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/28/2013 6:31:44 PM

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How is John going to savage Allied LBA? We've been fighting tooth-and-nail at close range in Burma for something like five months now, with John employing a majority of his fighteres, and he couldn't do it.

His LBA may have been all over the map because he didn't know where you were going to pop up. He now knows where you are and you are now a concentrated , massive threat. He can strip out tons of stuff and send it here. Not sure what the aircraft situation is in this mod....but he has more than you. Lots more than you

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2013 12:08:24 AM

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And now, a commercial interruption [i.e. hijack] ...

OK - I have been quiet about this for a long time but my fifth grade teacher drilled some things into me that will not be compromised.

Let's get it straight: a strait does not have the letters "gh" and it may or may not be straight!

And "dire straights" would be heterosexual people opposed to gay marriage, while "dire straits" are narrow and hazardous channels that must be navigated carefully to avoid disaster.

Is everybody straight on straits now? Good! We resume the regular program ...
[/hijack off].

I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine

The real Dire Staits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dire_Straits

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2013 12:20:40 AM

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Lots of assuming taking place.

JIII has built up the Malaysian airfields. Why?
He has just been fighting for Burma and would have his support there, normally japanese airfield construction is pathetic so why build bases 2000miles in the rear? His view of the threat was shown by the lack of defences in the area.

JIII wont attack Ceylon as it has been built into a "fortress". How will he know that? You have so many forces in Sumatra & Burma that he might think the cupboard is bare. Dont base JIII's plans based on your knowledge of your dispositions.

"Th Gulf of Siam as an option" While he could hit Malay Peninsula bases its 9 hexes to Sabang, IMHO too far to make much mischief. (Though sending a sub there might also dissuade him from basing there)

Lots of views of BB around Singapore, almost useless in a CV battle they may be there to get your attention but close enough for attacks after your CV have been scattered.

PS If only you had more AP which might pick up something easy in the New Guinea area!!!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2013 1:33:13 AM

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I'm not sure John III has built up the Malaysian airfields. It's something we haven't discussed in here. If it's something he discussed in his AAR, we oughtn't to bring it up. But it's clear that he wasn't prepared for this operation and that he's scrambling to react.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2013 1:50:18 AM

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There's a memorable scene in the movie Gettysburg. Union cavalry general John Buford is talking to his subordinates early in the battle about how he can "see" what's going to happen; how if the Confederates take the high ground, the Union will have to throw its trooops up those ridges, feeding them into slaughter. "And men in tall hats will thump there chests and talk of the glory of these charges," he says (or word to those effect).

I love the comments and insights posted in here by you gents. But like General Buford, I can "see" what's going to happen here (or I think I can). While you guys are often posting based upon what you would do, or what a dispassionate opponent would do, I have a long knowledge of my opponent, and I am privy to the hundreds of minor details on the map and in the game that make up a mosaic of which you gents only have a few scattered fragments. I'm in a position, I think, to better gauge what's going to happen.

While I don't know how this battle is going to shape up in all respects - there will be lots of things John may do to surprise, or events yet to come that will alter his conduct or mine - there are some things I'm pretty sure I can predict with near totaly certainty. Under the current circumstances (meaning, in part, with the Allied carriers intact):

1. John will not invade Ceylon. It's hard enough going up against a surprised enemy who isn't prepared. Going up against a level nine airfield full of bombers and fighters and with reinforcements nearby - and throwing your carrier air into the teeth of LBA - just isn't going to happen.

2. John will not post the KB in the Gulf of Siam or move its squadrons to Malaysia. He isn't going to want to blunt his carrier air against Allied LBA or leaves his carriers out of position for a lengthy time in which the Allies will be free to operate between India and Sumatra. (If John does choose this course of action it's because he's desperate to open an LOC between Burma and Victoria Point. So implementation of this strategy will tell me that he's desperate beyond all reason.)

3. John will not send the KB up the Malacca Straits. Combat ships, maybe. Carriers, no. (Although I discount this vector heavily, I of course keep my guard up because there is a small chance he might do this.)

4. John will not do anything that I would "like," such as diverting a substantial force to New Zealand or Oz. Sumatra is considerably more important, so he will concentrate everything he has in an effort to overwhelm the Allies.

5. John will choose Door # 1.

6. John cannot sneak up on the Allies - I think. I've established a pretty saturated line of DD patrols and picket ships and PBYs to cover the sea lanes west of Cocos Island. He can use "full speed" and perhaps even "no search aircraft" to try to penetrate, but it's unlikely that will succeed. He's more likely to gather everything he has and just come straight for the crucial triange region.

Now, if I'm wrong, you guys get to tell General Buford that he's full of crap. :)

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2013 2:05:32 AM

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Buford got to write his memoirs on July 4th.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2013 2:10:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

There's a memorable scene in the movie Gettysburg. Union cavalry general John Buford is talking to his subordinates early in the battle about how he can "see" what's going to happen; how if the Confederates take the high ground, the Union will have to throw its trooops up those ridges, feeding them into slaughter. "And men in tall hats will thump there chests and talk of the glory of these charges," he says (or word to those effect).

I remember watching that scene during CGSC (Command and General Staff College), the topic was Commander's Vision. We also did a reading on NB Forrest at Brice's Crossroads, where he was able to visualize how the following day would unfold and arrange his columns to take advantage of that. I tend to agree, you are in position to see so much more than what is conveyed in the AAR, and as a reader I certainly hope you are right, and that you are able to position yourself take full advantage of it!

But that probably won't stop us from rampant speculation on the alternatives!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2013 2:30:03 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

There's a memorable scene in the movie Gettysburg. Union cavalry general John Buford is talking to his subordinates early in the battle about how he can "see" what's going to happen; how if the Confederates take the high ground, the Union will have to throw its trooops up those ridges, feeding them into slaughter. "And men in tall hats will thump there chests and talk of the glory of these charges," he says (or word to those effect).

Now, if I'm wrong, you guys get to tell General Buford that he's full of crap. :)

The french have a phrase that has been expanded a bit in its meaning by later writers, that sorta encompasse this.

Coup d'�il

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d'%C5%93il

Kind regards,

Rasmus

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2013 2:41:55 AM

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11/17/42 - Operation Des Wallace, D+7

Some key things happening today, so it's worth excerpting from the combat report:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 17, 42
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Invasion Support action off Alor Star (49,73)

28 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
KV Auricula
xAP Aorangi

Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

An Indian brigade continues to come ashore.

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Submarine attack near Koggala at 30,52

Japanese Ships
SS RO-67

Allied Ships
AO Ramapo, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

Lots of Allied oilers in the region between Ceylon and Sumatra; several IJN subs operating out here too.

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Night Naval bombardment of Alor Star at 49,73

Allied Ships
CA Devonshire
CL Ceres
CL Achilles

Japanese ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 23
Port hits 6
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

Fairly effective cruiser bombardment. It certainly messes up the airfield.

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Night Naval bombardment of Alor Star at 49,73

Allied Ships
BB South Dakota
BB North Carolina
CA San Francisco

Japanese ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 9
Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

Ditto.
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Night Naval bombardment of Victoria Point at 51,66

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 43 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 5 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 21 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 5 destroyed on ground
B5N2 Kate: 2 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 16 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 23 damaged
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-57-II Topsy: 11 damaged
Ki-57-II Topsy: 2 destroyed on ground
H6K2-L Mavis: 10 damaged
H6K2-L Mavis: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 11 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 5 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
CA Cornwall
CLAA Concord
CLAA Detroit

Japanese ground losses:
270 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled

Airbase hits 19
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 43

Absolutely a nuclear bombardment by cruisers. Allied ships can replenish at Sabang and then easily sortie to hit airfields at Victoria Point, Alor Start and Georgetown. John will have to come up with a counter.

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Night Naval bombardment of Alor Star at 49,73

Allied Ships
BB Washington
CA Northampton
CLAA San Juan

Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (3 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 22
Port hits 3
Port supply hits 1

Okay, Alor Start airfield is neutralized, but I wish the combat ships were more effective against enemy troops in the jungle.

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Mataram at 59,112, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Haguro
CA Ashigara
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma
CL Sendai
DD Kishinami
DD Nenohi

Allied Ships
xAK Era, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied picket ships, which were once posted between Oz and south of Cocos to guard the flank of the invasion ships, then moved north almost to the island between Java and Timor. I'm surprised that these IJN combat ships are only this far a week after D-Day.
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Submarine attack near Sinabang at 42,76

Japanese Ships
SS I-20, hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
xAK Empire Grenfell, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

One of the few remaining exposed and naked Allied transports exacts some revenge.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Alor Star at 49,73

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 5
G4M1 Betty x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
xAP Aorangi, Torpedo hits 1

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Morning Air attack on 2nd Marine Raider Battalion, at 44,85 (Padang)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
B5N2 Kate x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

...
Also attacking 205th FA Bn /1 ...
Also attacking 2nd Marine Raider Bn /3 ...

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Alor Star at 49,73

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 7
G4M1 Betty x 7
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAK Tai Sang
xAK Garmula, Bomb hits 1, on fire

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 39,67

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 1 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 4 damaged
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
xAP Montoro, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Evi Livanos
xAK Kooringa, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Alphard, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk

Probably from Port Blair (I haven't seen the replay yet. John has torps up and running finally. I'll have to move my Sabang to Colombo LOC a bit further out.

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Morning Air attack on 762nd Tank Battalion, at 49,73 (Alor Star)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 8
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 8
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 damaged

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 31

Allied aircraft
Liberator II x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator II: 3 damaged

Trying to hit Rangoon's port faciities.

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 31

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 24

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
DMS W-14, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 4

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 3 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 4
B-24D Liberator x 10

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
PB Okiyu Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Port hits 1

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 39,67

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK Mary Livanos

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Alor Star at 49,73

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 6 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 12
G4M1 Betty x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
KV Auricula

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Alor Star at 49,73

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 15
G4M1 Betty x 7
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAK Tai Sang
xAK Garmula, heavy fires

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 40,63

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
xAP Felix Roussel, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
xAP Zealandia
xAP Klipfontein
xAP Cap St Jacques

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 39,67

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK Lulworth Hill, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Mary Livanos

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 40,63

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAP Klipfontein

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Submarine attack near Georgetown at 49,74

Japanese Ships
AMC Aikoku Maru

Allied Ships
SS Gunnel

John currently has no ASW operating in the Straits of Malacca region (all subs have shown zero detection since D-Day. He's using all patrols to ferry men. But it's good that he knows Allied subs are in the Straits, because I'd rather he be concered about using that path. I think I prefer that he come the long way around.

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Invasion Support action off Alor Star (49,73)

29 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
KV Auricula
xAP Aorangi

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Pre-Invasion action off Langsa (46,74)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

3 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
SC-744
SC-743
SC-740
xAK Arkaba

This is supply coming ashore in conjunction with the new invasion of Langsa.

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Pre-Invasion action off Langsa (46,74)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

6 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
xAK City of Manchester
xAK Siantar
xAK Tjikandi

Ditto.
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Pre-Invasion action off Langsa (46,74)

17 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
SC-708
DD Arunta
CVE Copahee
AP William Ward Burrows

This is 27th Div. beginning to come ashore late in the afternoon.

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Amphibious Assault at Langsa (46,74)

TF 449 troops unloading over beach at Langsa, 46,74

Allied ground losses:
136 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 99 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (0 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 110 (1 destroyed, 109 disabled)

Motorized Support lost overboard during unload of 27th Infantry Div /16

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Pre-Invasion action off Langsa (46,74)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

5 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
xAK Deslock
xAK Hatterlock
xAK Vitorlock

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Supply

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Amphibious Assault at Langsa (46,74)

TF 487 troops unloading over beach at Langsa, 46,74

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Ground combat at Sibolga (44,79)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1512 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 54

Defending force 11332 troops, 356 guns, 292 vehicles, Assault Value = 309

Assaulting units:
16th Naval Guard Unit
91st Naval Guard Unit
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment

Defending units:
145th Infantry Regiment
58th (Sep) Infantry Rgt /5
9th Marine Rgt /5
148th Infantry Regiment
34th Combat Engineer Regiment
129th Infantry Regiment
21st Marine Rgt /3
205th Field Artillery Battalion
E Det USN Port Svc
175th USAAF Base Force /4
A Det USN Port Svc
110th USA Base Force /5

I"m hoping a shock attack at Sibolga tomorrow or day after (depending upon whether I need to rest my guys one more day) can finally take this critical base. Thank goodness John seems preoccupied with Malaysia, because I'm having one tough time cracking this nut.
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Ground combat at Alor Star (49,73)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 4182 troops, 232 guns, 130 vehicles, Assault Value = 161

Defending force 2769 troops, 48 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 66

Allied adjusted assault: 22

Japanese adjusted defense: 27

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), op mode(-), disruption(-)
preparation(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
127 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
762nd Tank Battalion
99th Indian Bde /1
18th British Div /8

Defending units:
Imperial Guards Div /3
10th Indpt SNLF Coy /1
15th JAAF Base Force

Much higher casualties for Japan. Both forces are weak, but mine just haven't been able to break through, despite the big bombardments. I may be in a position to add paratroops in two or three days.
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Ground combat at Sibolga (44,79)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2749 troops, 74 guns, 88 vehicles, Assault Value = 309

Defending force 3333 troops, 27 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 54

Assaulting units:
34th Combat Engineer Regiment
9th Marine Rgt /5
129th Infantry Regiment
148th Infantry Regiment
145th Infantry Regiment
58th (Sep) Infantry Rgt /5
21st Marine Rgt /3
A Det USN Port Svc
E Det USN Port Svc
205th Field Artillery Battalion
175th USAAF Base Force /4
110th USA Base Force /5

Defending units:
16th Naval Guard Unit
91st Naval Guard Unit
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment

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Ground combat at 44,71 (near Sabang)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9386 troops, 257 guns, 106 vehicles, Assault Value = 650

Defending force 1824 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5

Allied adjusted assault: 82

Japanese adjusted defense: 4

Allied assault odds: 20 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), fatigue(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1092 casualties reported
Squads: 84 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 29 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 15 (15 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units pursuing 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
763rd Tank Battalion
1st Marine Division
32nd Infantry Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
198th Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
10th Garrison Unit - All but wiped out now and tanks in pursuit. The land route to Langsa is pretty much open now. 32nd Div. and 1st Marines are on the road.
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Ground combat at Langsa (46,74)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 914 troops, 15 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 52

Defending force 5215 troops, 21 guns, 249 vehicles, Assault Value = 25

Assaulting units:
Imperial Guards Div /2

Defending units:
27th Infantry Div /2

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Ground combat at Langkawi (49,72)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1548 troops, 84 guns, 33 vehicles, Assault Value = 45

Defending force 48 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 10

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 10 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
18th British Div /6

Defending units:
79th Garrison Bn /2

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Ground combat at Singora (51,72)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 486 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 28

Defending force 385 troops, 0 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 21

Japanese adjusted defense: 3

Allied assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Singora !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)
preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
179 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 7 (7 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Parachute Bn /1

Defending units:
7th Field AF Construction Battalion

This means the rail line from northern Malaysia and Singers is severed - the Allies have Singora on one line and are in the Alor Start hex on the other (meaning Japanese troops can move in via strat movement, but can't move out or through. A major development in and of itself, but even moreso if this continues to be (or becomes) a very high priority for John, overriding for awhile the situation in Sumatra. Sibolga is critical and my troops need some rest and need to take that base, so each day that John doesn't reinforce is important.
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Ground combat at Alor Star (49,73)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1103 troops, 35 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 51

Defending force 4138 troops, 232 guns, 130 vehicles, Assault Value = 157

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
Imperial Guards Div /3
10th Indpt SNLF Coy /1
15th JAAF Base Force

Defending units:
99th Indian Bde /1
762nd Tank Battalion
18th British Div /8

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2013 3:11:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

quote:

And now, a commercial interruption [i.e. hijack] ...

OK - I have been quiet about this for a long time but my fifth grade teacher drilled some things into me that will not be compromised.

Let's get it straight: a strait does not have the letters "gh" and it may or may not be straight!

And "dire straights" would be heterosexual people opposed to gay marriage, while "dire straits" are narrow and hazardous channels that must be navigated carefully to avoid disaster.

Is everybody straight on straits now? Good! We resume the regular program ...
[/hijack off].

I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine

This is comic genius and deserves to be mentioned in dispatches!

PS - CR, for a guy with "rebel" in your name, you sure quote Yankee Generals a lot.

PPS - Put everything that can board a transport into Singora. It is the key to the rest of the front because John will have no choice but to retake it while you see to the rest of Sumatra. Plus, if you hold it, Malaya and eventually Singapore will fall. That in turn means you are teh winna.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2013 4:21:15 AM

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Allied Ships
CA Cornwall
CLAA Concord
CLAA Detroit

Japanese ground losses:
270 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled

Airbase hits 19
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 43

Absolutely a nuclear bombardment by cruisers. Allied ships can replenish at Sabang and then easily sortie to hit airfields at Victoria Point, Alor Start and Georgetown. John will have to come up with a counter.

Wow -- apparently what the CLAA's lack in shell weight, they make up in volume!

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