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Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/24/2013 7:51:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Couple new scenarios coming up on the Babes website:

The Centrifugal Offensive (Conquest of the DEI): A really gnarly one because it has a fully fleshed out Dutch OOB, done in conjunction with Harald Velemans and input from Jo van der Pluym (the crazy Dutch man). A short time, short map scenario that Japan will eventually win, but the timing is oh, so critical. This scenario has no 'fortress anything' and hopefully does not allow any liddle kiddle gaming opportunities. There's no Sir Robin, because there's nowhere to go. Japan either conquers the DEI within the time frame, or loses.

Conquest of the Philippines: Another gnarly one because Don Bowen and I spent a long time figuring out what Mac could have got and when he could have got it. This one is like pushing back the trigger date a couple months and hoping for a more robust response by the Philippine Govt to a clear and present danger. The Philippino OOB is fleshed out with those units in planning. The US OOB has weapons that were sitting on the docks at SF, and their cast offs went down to the PI troops. Bottom line, the PI forces 'might' be better than they were. US forces 'will' be better than they were. Oh, yeah; bring it Tojo.

These were on the site a while ago, but people couldn't deal with them. None of these are playable against the AI. These are manual only; and require thought to play them. They work best in a CPX environment, because that's where they came from.

Oh, well. Ciao, JWE

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/24/2013 11:26:58 PM   
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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/25/2013 12:34:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well it is about time that somebody did a scenario that allowed the Japanese to win without grossly allowing them to outproduce the Western Allies (and Russia) in every category for a year.

Where does one find such a scenario?

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/25/2013 7:07:57 AM   
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This is the home of DaBabes.

https://sites.google.com/site/dababeswitpae/home

The two scenarios mentioned by Symon are not there yet. Not surprising as the opening sentence of the OP does say; Couple new scenarios coming up on the Babes website

Guess that means that when they are finished and ready to be posted you should find them on the link I've given you.

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/25/2013 6:43:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		It’s not quite as easy as you might think, Spence. The Scen starts with Japan on the Port Dickson/Kuala Lampur/Kuantan line, poised for Malacca but with some interesting support for barge transport on the Port Swetenham/Batu Pahat axis. Japan still needs to take Kluong, Mersing, Johore Bharu and Singapore, ‘on the bounce’.. 25th Army troops should not be released for further ops until their present mission is satisfied.

15th Army is “on-map” but should be utterly restricted. It was for Burma only.

The PI is done except for Bataan and the Palawan/Panay/Samar/Leyte equilateral .. oh, and the North coast of Mindanao. 14th Army troops should not be released for further ops until Bataan is reduced. 16th Army is catch as catch can and “should” reduce Mindanao before proceeding further, but not necessary – although it will cost.

So much needs to be done before the conquest actually begins. And Japan has only 4 and a half months to do it in – Jan. 1 to Apr. 16.

There’s no KB. It is (as it was) divided into it’s various divisions. The Kakus only show up late and show up at Truk for the Solomons ops, which are also included. 4th Fleet (SE Area) units are to be considered utterly restricted to their respective ops programs. And that includes CarDiv 3.

Oh yeah, the Japanese victory conditions are to take ALL of Malaya, ALL of Luzon, ALL of Mindanao (they get kinda sorta of a pass for the equilateral, but the have to take Palawan), ALL of the DEI, including Amboina, Timor, and the N. Coast of New Guinea (except they get a pass for Sumatra above the line of Singapore), Rabaul, the Solomons (Tulagi is good), and the N. Coast of Papua. Many of these will auto-convert and those that don't are usually in a zone of influence so smart folk won't care. Rule of Reason.

Allied victory conditions are to keep Japan from achieving it's victory conditions within the time constraints.

Basically an Operational Problem white board. Just need to clean up a couple things and it's done.

Ciao. J


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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/25/2013 10:49:24 PM   
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Just as I was about to give up hope of ever seeing these promised scenarios, this:

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ORIGINAL: Symon

Couple new scenarios coming up on the Babes website:

The Centrifugal Offensive (Conquest of the DEI)

Conquest of the Philippines

You guys have rekindled my interest in WITP:AE.

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/26/2013 4:34:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Soon, Berto. There's no AI, so nobody has immolated themselves or tried to drink their way through a tank car of Everclear. Actually should be finished in a couple days.

Hang in there, Buddy. J

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/26/2013 4:59:27 PM   
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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/26/2013 11:50:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Symon, sounds interesting. Does not contemplate the later addition of AI?

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/29/2013 7:39:15 PM   
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Thanks Symon, sounds interesting. Does not contemplate the later addition of AI?

Nope. These are way off the scale from stock. They are designed for very serious PBEM and CPX play, but also work very well, with personal Hot-Seat, as an experimental tool. Because they are not meant to be used as auto-play games, there will not be any AI. Sorry. J

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/29/2013 7:41:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just finalizing the Singapore reinforcement convoys. Gonna have to have Diego Garcia stand in for Addu and Bombay. The units will auto appear at DG, as well as the convoy ships on specific dates, with auto load orders, and destination Singers. Needless to say, they will probably get rerouted, but at least they will get somewhere along their actual deployment path.

Many of the convoy ships are one-shot ponys: they deliver their load and have to run like hell for Cape Town to withdraw, and they don’t come back (because they never did). Had to finesse a few ships from other convoys into DM-1 because of the need to transport 232 RAF sqdn and its ground support elements and some AA-units, but it’s one ship per unit, so I fudged then in from BM-9 and BM-10. These were Bombay based vessels, but also have to go to CT to withdraw. The Dutch vessels (most, but not all) can stay in-theater, in the DEI or maybe Darwin. The rest MUST withdraw. So once a convoy unloads, send it immediately to CT for withdrawal. TANSTAAFL.

Basically, the scenario assumes 45th Indian Bde arrived 3 days early and is in Singers ready to move up. The ships are gone and the escorts are booking it to DG for the next run.

18th Div’s 23rd Bde Grp, 232 Sqdn (+ sup), 6th Hy, 35th LT AA and 85th AT Regts depart DG on Jan. 5, for Singapore.

44th Indian Bde Grp left Bombay Jan 8, so appears/departs DG on Jan. 14, for Singapore.

18th Div remainder, 21st, 48th, 77th AA, 3rd Hussars, others, departs Bombay/Mombasa Jan. 19, so appears/departs DG Jan. 25.

Fun stuff. Ciao. J

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/29/2013 10:53:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Symon

Couple new scenarios coming up on the Babes website:

Conquest of the Philippines

Any chance of someday releasing a counterpart Liberation of the Philippines Babes scenario?

If that happens, between those two, I'd be in WITP Heaven.

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/29/2013 11:26:18 PM   
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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/29/2013 11:36:29 PM   
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Any chance of someday releasing a counterpart Liberation of the Philippines Babes scenario?

If that happens, between those two, I'd be in WITP Heaven.

No, not really Berto. The scenarios are set up to be relatively equal Fleet/Ops Problems. A PI reconquest scenario would be rather one sided and not all that interesting to combined ops players. I know this isn't what you want to hear, but the scenarios we do offer are pretty good, if I say so myself. We are in the kinda, sorta, 'anyone can win' kinda mode with these scenarios. Ciao. J

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/30/2013 1:32:09 AM   
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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 5/31/2013 10:06:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh pooh !! Forgot to set the attributes for late arriving LCUs to be in strat mode, so they can load on a post opening day situation. Geez, more detail work, sigh !! Keep looking.

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 6/3/2013 6:59:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok. Done. Should be up today or tomorrow.

Ok. posted June 4. Here's the playing field.




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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 6/4/2013 5:33:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fiddling with the Reinforced Philippines scenario. Should be finished with this one shortly.

Scenario begins on 8 December. Japan must take Sarawak, North Borneo, Borneo, Celebes, Moluccas and Ambon, by 31 January. Japan must also take all of the Philippines by the scenario end date of 31 March. Japan gets only the troops that were actually used in those operations. Certain arrival times have been adjusted to fit the scenario premise, however.

Only the 14th Army and "relevant" portions of 16th Army are active. Because the Allied position is stronger, 14th Army gets reinforcements a bit sooner, but 48th Division MUST still withdraw by mid January to prepare for operations in the DEI in March. But then, there's the 4th and 21st Divisions, 65th Brigade, and 9th (Kawamura) Brigade to take up the slack. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on the side) 16th Army does not get 2nd and 38th Divisions, or the 48th after reassignment, to play with in this scenario. Those show up in the DEI Conquest scenario at the appropriate time.

Here's playing field.




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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 6/4/2013 6:33:58 PM   
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With these, I return to playing WITP:AE again.

Thanks!

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 6/5/2013 7:10:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cool, Berto, thank you. I think you will like them. People have asked what 'reinforced' Philippines means. Okay, A lot of the impetus came from work on Don Bowens early Zygotes. The premise is a few people got their butts kicked off the dime and things happened with a bit more sense of urgency.

Philippine mobilization started a few weeks earlier. Not long enough for a full training cycle for everybody, but long enough for the first set of units to get through at least Bn scale and the remaining units to complete individual/company level. Later formed units are in the box on opening day and although not all units are up to authorized strength, some are. Many units have much of their TOE equipment, the rest at least have their infantry heavy weapons, because ...

Convoy 4002 departed SFO three weeks earlier along with two others carrying equipment that had been sitting on the docks at SFO since 3 November. The physical count of Arty, AA, AT, MGs, mortars, rifles (including Garands), helmets, mess kits, canteens, web gear, uniforms, tents, and yes, saddles, boggles the mind (lot of this was dug up by Don). Mac had been told this was coming (a dissemblement as it turns out) so there were plans in place to re-equip the US and PS units with the more modern stuff and pass their present equipment, along with the rest of the goodies, down to the PA forces, first come, first served. So some PA units, while not trained-up as much as necessary, will have considerably better bang-for-the-buck. Other PA units might have to do with 2.95" Mtn guns on wooden wheels, but they will have some AT guns, mortars (with ammo), and HMGs. Not a total walk-over anymore.

US and PS forces get 105s and other neat stuff. The air forces get the 27th BG(lt), uncrating in Manila (ground crews were already in-country), 70th pursuit squadron and 35th pursuit group admin, 9th and 11th bomb squadrons (22nd bomb the 88th recce arrive later at Darwin). The Philippine AF gets a few more B-10/B-18s in service and another squadron of P-26s.

The 4002 convoy also drops off a provisional Arty Brigade, comprising 4 field Bns with equipment. Pensacola and Niagara, unfortunately, have to go home, as do all the transport ships; no joy for the Navy.

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 6/10/2013 5:55:54 PM   
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Fiddling with the Reinforced Philippines scenario. Should be finished with this one shortly.

Still Not Ready for Prime Time?

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 6/12/2013 1:31:30 PM   
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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 6/14/2013 6:40:57 PM   
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Still Not Ready for Prime Time?

Not quite yet Berto. Got your email and it's inspiring me to make this perfectamundo. Actually having people who lived there or, like Don Bowen, having a realtive who lived through it, gives an added dimension to what is being done.

Found out some things about PI AA. Matt couldn't find anything notable at A&M, so he wandered out I 10/25, up to Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and found some really cool stuff in the archives.

200th Cst AA (NMNG) deployed with 57 officers 2325 enlisted troops; all in-country by 20 Sept, 1941. Reorganized and expanded, Manila and Ft Stotsenberg, 14 Oct, 1941, to 3 Bn establishment using existing weapon stocks in the PI.
.. 2 Bns (Gun) totaling 24 3in AA; each Bn having 3 firing batteries of 4 guns each;
.. 1 Bn (AW) totaling 24 37mm and 24 .50cal AAAW; in 3 firing batteries of 8 and 8 each;
515th Cst AA, organized 19 Dec, 1941, at Manila, by transferring 21 officers and 487 enlisted troops of the 2nd Bn (Gun) of the 200th and adding an augmentation of 761 officers and enlisted troops from the PA. Weapon stocks were from material already at Manila. TOE of the 200th was not affected. Actual TOE of 515th is unknown, but diary entries suggest it sometimes fired as artillery, so 3in guns are indicated. Reports state lower flying planes were unable to be engaged effectively, so 37mm weapons are not indicated (c.f. Cabcaban defense analysis). Best guess is;
.. 12 3in AA, 24 .50cal AAAW

3in AA were M1918/M3 types. The guns were fine, the ammo was derated, some of it to a maximum vertical of 18,000 feet. The most modern rounds were dated 1928. One battery (C) fired 12 training rounds at Ft Stotsenberg on 20 Nov, 1941. No AAAW live fire training was conducted. First training shots were at J planes over Clark Field 8 Dec, 1941.

Zeroing in on the 60th Cst AA. Will be using the same analytical technique.

Have some Japanese records of captured material (Yes, I know they don’t exist, or they can’t be translated according to some wiki 'experts', but heck … ). This is great stuff because it’s really all out there, somewhere. Unfortunately it’s mostly in things called books, or in a diary. Thank you Don Bowen for sparking this scenario and having us look deep into the wealth of information that still exists out there.

Soon Berto (trust me), soon.

Ciao. JWE


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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 6/14/2013 8:00:45 PM   
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Actually having people who lived there or, like Don Bowen, having a realtive who lived through it, gives an added dimension to what is being done.

Added dimension? I'll say.

My mother-in-law lived through the Japanese Occupation, and my wife's uncle was a soldier in the Philippine Army [correction] and a Bataan Death March survivor. Sadly, both of them passed away in just the last couple of years. The passing of The Greatest Generation.

I am keenly interested to play any and all Philippines-focused WITP:AE scenarios. To defend (and liberate?) Tuguegarao -- my home away from home!

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 6/30/2013 5:05:25 PM   
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The 4002 convoy also drops off a provisional Arty Brigade, comprising 4 field Bns with equipment. Pensacola and Niagara, unfortunately, have to go home, as do all the transport ships; no joy for the Navy.



Hello Symon

First thanks for creating this scenario. Just one albeit trivial query and perhaps better directed to Don. Anyway,it has always puzzeled me why the Niagra was included in the Pencecola convoy in the first place. Most sources site it as an ASW escort but I find this reasoning suspect, considering it had no ASW capability to speak of and it was relatively short legged to boot. Hardly an ideal ASW escort. Also no other PLUM convoys in 1941 included an ASW escort just CA's and CL's. This is pure conjecture but isn't more likely that the Niagra was being sent to the PI to act as an AGP for the newly forming PT squadron 3? With 6 boats already in the PI and 6 more on their way. There certainly would be a need for one. Add to the fact that the Niagra although designated a PG already spent time acting previously as an AGP in the Carribian and was almost immediately re-designated an AGP after PH attack. Which brings me back to if the Niagra was truly included in the Pencecola convoy as an ASW escort why was it detached from the convoy once hostilities started? Wouldn't there have been even greater need for ASW at that point? Could it be that once its intended destination was changed from the PI to OZ its inclusion in convoy became moot? All this is a loooong way to imply that circumstantial evidence suggest that the Niagra should be included as an AGP for the Asaitic fleet. Thoughts? And thanks again for all you efforts.

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 6/30/2013 11:23:58 PM   
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USS Niagara, PG-52 is listed as an “escort” in the convoy list. It’s possible that modern historians would translate this into ASW Escort, because that’s what the generic term “escort” morphed into from 1942 on. On November 21, 1941, an “escort” was just an “accompanying” vessel. She certainly was not an ASW asset by any stretch of the imagination.

About dumping her off to Asiatic Fleet, your arguments have quite a bit of merit. Since I have made the PI Offshore Patrol Q-boat squadron operational, it makes sense to shanghai her as an AGP for them and Bukeley’s MTBRon 3. An elegant idea. She would make an excellent companion to USS Isabel.

Good thinkin'. Ciao. JWE

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 6/30/2013 11:32:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TIMJOT


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ORIGINAL: Symon


The 4002 convoy also drops off a provisional Arty Brigade, comprising 4 field Bns with equipment. Pensacola and Niagara, unfortunately, have to go home, as do all the transport ships; no joy for the Navy.



Hello Symon

First thanks for creating this scenario. Just one albeit trivial query and perhaps better directed to Don. Anyway,it has always puzzeled me why the Niagra was included in the Pencecola convoy in the first place. Most sources site it as an ASW escort but I find this reasoning suspect, considering it had no ASW capability to speak of and it was relatively short legged to boot. Hardly an ideal ASW escort. Also no other PLUM convoys in 1941 included an ASW escort just CA's and CL's. This is pure conjecture but isn't more likely that the Niagra was being sent to the PI to act as an AGP for the newly forming PT squadron 3? With 6 boats already in the PI and 6 more on their way. There certainly would be a need for one. Add to the fact that the Niagra although designated a PG already spent time acting previously as an AGP in the Carribian and was almost immediately re-designated an AGP after PH attack. Which brings me back to if the Niagra was truly included in the Pencecola convoy as an ASW escort why was it detached from the convoy once hostilities started? Wouldn't there have been even greater need for ASW at that point? Could it be that once its intended destination was changed from the PI to OZ its inclusion in convoy became moot? All this is a loooong way to imply that circumstantial evidence suggest that the Niagra should be included as an AGP for the Asaitic fleet. Thoughts? And thanks again for all you efforts.


Niagara was indeed an AGP at that time and was accompanying the Pensacola TF in transit and not as an escort. She was to be the tender for the PT squadron in the Philippines (6 boats already there and 6 more pending transfer). She still carried a PG number as the US Navy did not have an AGP designation in 1941.

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 7/1/2013 12:33:07 AM   
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Niagara was indeed an AGP at that time and was accompanying the Pensacola TF in transit and not as an escort. She was to be the tender for the PT squadron in the Philippines (6 boats already there and 6 more pending transfer). She still carried a PG number as the US Navy did not have an AGP designation in 1941.

Okey dokey, then. If Don thinks it's righteous, then it likely is.

It will be done. JWE

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 7/1/2013 5:30:07 PM   
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Niagara was indeed an AGP at that time and was accompanying the Pensacola TF in transit and not as an escort. She was to be the tender for the PT squadron in the Philippines (6 boats already there and 6 more pending transfer). She still carried a PG number as the US Navy did not have an AGP designation in 1941.



Hi Don

Thanks for confirming this. I had suspected as much but have never been able to find an official source to confirm my theory. If its not too much trouble. I would be very interested to know how or where you were able to confirm this. Thanks for your insight.

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RE: Couple new Babes Short Scens - 7/1/2013 6:28:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TIMJOT


quote:

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

Niagara was indeed an AGP at that time and was accompanying the Pensacola TF in transit and not as an escort. She was to be the tender for the PT squadron in the Philippines (6 boats already there and 6 more pending transfer). She still carried a PG number as the US Navy did not have an AGP designation in 1941.



Hi Don

Thanks for confirming this. I had suspected as much but have never been able to find an official source to confirm my theory. If its not too much trouble. I would be very interested to know how or where you were able to confirm this. Thanks for your insight.



A good reference is: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/CloseQuarters/PT-2.html (search for Niagara). A couple other of the ex-PG AGPs also served as tenders while still wearing their PG number.

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