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RE: 1943 June 12 - 6/26/2013 3:33:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cut and pasted from Intel Monkey, here is a list of the battle results against the IJN warships near Kavieng and Rabaul. 

017803 1943-06-12 106,125          106,125 Rabaul               BB   Hyuga              Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire                      Morning Air attack        
017814 1943-06-12 106,125          106,125 Rabaul               BB   Hyuga              Torpedo hits 2,  heavy damage                              Afternoon Air attack      
017803 1943-06-12 106,125          106,125 Rabaul               BB   Ise                Bomb hits 3                                                Morning Air attack        
017814 1943-06-12 106,125          106,125 Rabaul               BB   Ise                No Damage Noted                                            Afternoon Air attack      
017802 1943-06-12 106,124          106,124 Rabaul               BB   Kirishima          No Damage Noted                                            Morning Air attack        
017816 1943-06-12 106,124          106,124 Rabaul               BB   Kirishima          No Damage Noted                                            Afternoon Air attack      
017803 1943-06-12 106,125          106,125 Rabaul               BB   Kongo              Bomb hits 2                                                Morning Air attack        
017814 1943-06-12 106,125          106,125 Rabaul               BB   Kongo              No Damage Noted                                            Afternoon Air attack      
017782 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              BB   Musashi            No Damage Noted                                            Morning Air attack        
017813 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              BB   Musashi            No Damage Noted                                            Afternoon Air attack      
017813 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              CS   Chitose            Torpedo hits 1                                             Afternoon Air attack      
017782 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              CV   Akagi              Bomb hits 1                                                Morning Air attack        
017813 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              CV   Akagi              Bomb hits 1,  on fire                                      Afternoon Air attack      
017782 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              CV   Hiryu              Bomb hits 2                                                Morning Air attack        
017813 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              CV   Hiryu              Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage                       Afternoon Air attack      
017782 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              CV   Kaga               Bomb hits 5,  on fire                                      Morning Air attack        
017813 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              CV   Kaga               Bomb hits 6,  on fire                                      Afternoon Air attack      
017782 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              CV   Shokaku            Bomb hits 2,  on fire                                      Morning Air attack        
017813 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              CV   Shokaku            Bomb hits 2,  on fire                                      Afternoon Air attack      
017782 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              CV   Soryu              No Damage Noted                                            Morning Air attack        
017813 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              CV   Soryu              No Damage Noted                                            Afternoon Air attack      
017782 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              CV   Zuikaku            Bomb hits 1,  on fire                                      Morning Air attack        
017813 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              CV   Zuikaku            Bomb hits 3,  on fire                                      Afternoon Air attack


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RE: 1943 June 12 - 6/26/2013 3:36:34 AM   
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017813 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              CA   Myoko              No Damage Noted                                            Afternoon Air attack      
017782 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              CA   Takao              No Damage Noted                                            Morning Air attack        
017816 1943-06-12 106,124          106,124 Rabaul               DD   Hayashio           No Damage Noted                                            Afternoon Air attack      
017805 1943-06-12 107,122          107,122 Kavieng              DD   Isokaze            No Damage Noted                                            Morning Air attack        
017817 1943-06-12 107,122          107,122 Kavieng              DD   Isokaze            No Damage Noted                                            Afternoon Air attack      
017782 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              DD   Kazegumo           No Damage Noted                                            Morning Air attack        
017805 1943-06-12 107,122          107,122 Kavieng              DD   Kuroshio           No Damage Noted                                            Morning Air attack        
017805 1943-06-12 107,122          107,122 Kavieng              DD   Maikaze            No Damage Noted                                            Morning Air attack        
017817 1943-06-12 107,122          107,122 Kavieng              DD   Maikaze            No Damage Noted                                            Afternoon Air attack      
017818 1943-06-12 106,125          106,125 Rabaul               DD   Mikazuki           No Damage Noted                                            Afternoon Air attack      
017803 1943-06-12 106,125          106,125 Rabaul               DD   Naganami           Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage                    Morning Air attack        
017818 1943-06-12 106,125          106,125 Rabaul               DD   Naganami           heavy damage                                               Afternoon Air attack      
017782 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              DD   Tamanami           No Damage Noted                                            Morning Air attack        
017805 1943-06-12 107,122          107,122 Kavieng              DD   Teruzuki           No Damage Noted                                            Morning Air attack        
017817 1943-06-12 107,122          107,122 Kavieng              DD   Teruzuki           No Damage Noted                                            Afternoon Air attack      
017813 1943-06-12 105,123          105,123 Kavieng              DD   Wakaba             No Damage Noted                                            Afternoon Air attack


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RE: 1943 June 12 - 6/26/2013 3:54:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		My, my...the sword is tarnished and badly nicked if not shattered!  Kaga is a goner, Hiryu, maybe.  All but Akagi and Soryu are sure to retire and will be in the yard for a good while.  A substantive victory, but not a knock out.

Pursuit or retirement to protect the invasion fleet?  I'd opt for pursuit, but understand the move to protect the invasion force.  Perhaps a short term withdrawal of the invasion force while the CVs finsh the job?  Maybe even a SCTF thrust to stab at the cripples.  Ponape can wait.  Life will be much easier with the destruction of a few more KB CVs.

What will the admiral opt to do?

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RE: 1943 June 12 - 6/26/2013 4:10:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a look at the USN carriers involved. I figure that if I pull back I can consolidate insofar as most likely saving all of the carriers and netting whatever IJN carriers have been mortally wounded. My subs might even bag some trying to get back for repairs.

Plus, I can maintain momentum by taking Ponape now, continuing without pause (of course reloading, etc.) with Kavieng and Manus, then Truk. The CVs needing repair will head for Pearl, while the serviceable ones work with CVEs and Wasp when she is back on line to maintain that momentum.

Any IJN forces that pursue the fleet, intact as it is, are subject to being destroyed short of their target.




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RE: 1943 June 12 - 6/26/2013 6:41:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good stuff. Looks like you bushwacked him while he had planes on LRCAP.

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RE: 1943 June 12 - 6/26/2013 2:57:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great results witpqs! Well played.
His carrier CAP was dispersed all over and your air losses look very light compared to his.
Enterprise and Essex need to withdraw for repairs - Enterprise's aircraft can defend both ships. Detach them and continue your rampage!

Is there no position from which you can continue to strike at his ships [including those in port] while covering approach of opposition to your Ponape landing?

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RE: 1943 June 12 - 6/26/2013 3:13:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		By heading east the fleet is basically on course for a rendezvous with the Ponape invasion forces and the three additional CVE. There is a TF with two modern CL and several DD that just refueled south of Nauru and will add support. The 14" USN BBs are refueling soon at the same point and will then be near Ponape about two or three days after.

I will detach those two CV (and a CL that got roughed up), but I also want to detach Yorktown soon. She can fight alright, but will be more survivable with that level of system damage repaired. I would like to have her back for Truk. Maybe I'll send her to Sydney (where she will fit) while the others go to Pearl.

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RE: 1943 June 12 - 6/26/2013 3:37:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well done. That's a serious win, and with Wildcats still on board some of your CVs even. You should have relatively free reign in the Central Pacific from now on.

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RE: 1943 June 12 - 6/26/2013 4:53:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Only the CVEs carry Wildcats now, but I'm still pleased with the results. And many of his attackers that got through probably did not make it back to their carriers, so hopefully some premium aviators were taken out.

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RE: 1943 June 12 - 6/26/2013 5:32:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, Congrats witpqs!

Looks like you caught him off guard. I´m not convinced he lost that many CVs though. The lack of heavy fires, heavy damage is quite telling I think. But you did send many of them to the yards. And that is almost as good!

I think pulling back a bit is the best option as you say. There is a chance (although slight) that many of his CVs can still perform flight ops. And with backup from Rabaul he might overwhelm you!

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RE: 1943 June 12 - 6/26/2013 5:44:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rabaul and now Kavieng are both non-operational. Manus is only level 2 and has (I forget) maybe 27% damage.

I really didn't see any ground losses that would indicate a carrier sunk. But then again there were many planes lost attacking and survivors from sinking carriers could have gone to other carriers. I am pretty sure that Hiryu is sunk. One or two others are possible but those ones are some tough ships.

BB Hyuga might be gone, and other BB need some repairs. I should add that many ships were reported hit by search DB and those don't appear in the report above.

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RE: 1943 June 12 - 6/26/2013 5:53:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sunk or not you now have naval supremacy at least for a while! This will make things a lot easier for you I think. And a lot less to worry about!

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1943 June 13 - 6/27/2013 6:46:10 PM   
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The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:


There were Imperial amphibious operations at:


There were Allied amphibious operations at:


DAW HQ has ordered increased opposition to our air operations in Burma, along with more aggressive bombing of their own. One of our B-25C groups got caught alone and lost 2 in the air and 5 to ops. Most of our 2EB groups are low on morale after flying with only weather days off for a long stretch, and so will take some time off while the fighters continue working. The 4EB will switch to that regiment in the open that made a stealth appearance a few days ago and hit it from 5,000 ft while it is still in the open.

Haruna hit Darwin, but there are no Allied aircraft present, which I presume were the targets.

Essex has almost restored flight operations, now at 41 combined damage. KB pulled back to the coast of New Guinea. Our strike planes did hit a couple of destroyers with bombs near Kavieng. Several TFs there were clearly left to impede any pursuit of the IJN carriers. The Allied TF close to Kavieng is that 2x CA + 2x DD force, and it will bombard Kavieng tonight. All 4EB within range will strike the port tomorrow. All this is in the hope of catching one or more damaged IJN carriers taking refuge there to contain damage. Scouting shows 3 ships, 1 being an AO. That could be a carrier.

Meanwhile our fleet will make another 4 hexes to the east as the Ponape invasion force approaches. That 5x Fletcher DD force SW of our carriers will patrol west, to the north of Mussau Island, to try and engage IJN covering forces.

The USA 40th ID is one of two divisions tasked for taking Kavieng and is beginning loading at Savii. The other is the USA 43rd ID at Nauru, which will use sea lift currently bringing troops to Ponape. An amphibious tractor Bn is at La Foa and will be picked up tomorrow. Likewise two tank units and an HQ are at Ndeni and will be pickled up either tomorrow or the day after by a much slower convoy. There will be a hodge podge of ship types bring in this one but the recent carrier action allows it.




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1943 June 14 - 6/28/2013 7:55:54 PM   
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The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:


There were Imperial amphibious operations at:


There were Allied amphibious operations at:


The Empire is pressing on the road toward Burma (in China). Their attack destroyed many of our disabled squads (less mouths to feed) but we disabled more of theirs than ours were disabled.
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Ground combat at 71,49 (near Kunming)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 6990 troops, 55 guns, 483 vehicles, Assault Value = 537

Defending force 62724 troops, 368 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1588

Japanese adjusted assault: 160

Allied adjusted defense: 400

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1118 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 108 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 50 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 19 (1 destroyed, 18 disabled)
Vehicles lost 90 (3 destroyed, 87 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
3310 casualties reported
Squads: 129 destroyed, 62 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 16 (13 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Assaulting units:
11th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
2nd Ind.Mixed Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
5th Tank Regiment
10th Tank Regiment
104th/B Division
2nd Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
3rd New Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
67th Chinese Corps
70th Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
73rd Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Corps
78th Chinese Corps
31st Chinese Corps
79th Chinese/B Corps
2nd Group Army
2nd Construction Regiment
14th Construction Regiment
57th AT Gun Regiment
56th AT Gun Regiment


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Not really sure if our AT guns played a role but they didn't hurt.

The bombardment of Kavieng went well for only 2x CA, but the results have to be taken with a grain of salt.
quote:


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Night Naval bombardment of Kavieng at 106,122

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
H6K4-L Mavis: 25 damaged
H6K4-L Mavis: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M5 Zero: 2 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 5 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 1 damaged
Ki-56 Thalia: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Vincennes
CA Salt Lake City

Japanese ground losses:
280 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 10 (2 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 15

CA Vincennes firing at Kavieng
CA Salt Lake City firing at 57th JNAF AF Unit


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The numerous port bombing runs by 4EB found AV Sanuki Maru, AV Kamikawa Maru, and xAP Husimi Maru and it's unlikely that any survived. Two ships are seen in TF heading away from Kavieng toward the coast of New Guinea. And the KB in company with another warship TF is 2 hexes north of Hollandia, making it's way west. We have plenty of subs assigned patrol in that area but none on station as the damaged IJN carriers pass. Meanwhile our 5x DD TF is 1 hex NE Mussau Island and will try to intercept those 2 ships moving west across the Bismarck Sea.

An operations message indicates that Junyo is not sunk but still in service (she was reported torpedoed in the Banda Sea). Tracker Alerts indicate that Hiyo was falsely reported sunk (had been reported sunk 1943-01-29), and that Kaga is now reported sunk. We do see ground losses of 9 Zero, 7 Pete, 5 Jake, 6 Jill, and 4 Judy. 1 Zero was reported destroyed in the bombardment on Kavieng, but it does look like at least one carrier went down overnight.

BTW, from the manual, clearing up a misconception I was under:
quote:


15.4.1.2 AIRCRAFT STATUS ON SHIPS

Aircraft on ships are assumed to have sufficient aviation support and supplies. However:

» Planes on a ship may not fly if the ship’s combined System Damage and
Flotation Damage are greater than 50. They may transfer off the ship if
docked or at anchor at a base with an airfield with a size of at least 1 (they
are assumed to have been manually unloaded and taken to the airfield).

» If the number of aircraft on board exceeds 115% of the
ship’s capacity, only Transfer Missions can be flown.

» Planes won’t make an emergency landing (refer to 7.0.1.1.1.1
Emergency Landings) on another Carrier in such a way as to
cause it to exceed 110% of the carriers aircraft capacity.

» A ship may never have more aircraft on board than twice its capacity.


At any rate, Essex is detached with 2x DD and sent to Pearl. Yorktown and Enterprise are detached with 2x DD and sent to Sydney. Wasp and the 4x CVE will be done before refitting there before they arrive. The rest of the battle fleet and the invasion forces will stand near Ponape, prior to making the last hex and invading the following day. That makes tomorrow is D-1.




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RE: 1943 June 14 - 6/28/2013 8:06:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		You aren't getting any LBA attacks on your fleets in the area between Ponape and NG?
Did you manage to shut down the airfields or shoot down so many planes he has none he wants to risk?

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RE: 1943 June 14 - 6/28/2013 8:25:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rabaul - shut down.
Kavieng - Shut down.
Manus - level 2 and damaged down to CAP-only, has 38 fighters.
Ponape - level 2 and has 15 fighters.
Truk - level 5 and has 22 fighters and 24 bombers.

I've left out auxiliary planes, of which several bases have 6 that I suppose to be search sea planes. So basically only Truk could make long range attacks. Once the invasion fleet is at Truk, that base could launch range 10 attacks.

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RE: 1943 June 14 - 6/28/2013 11:51:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well Kaga is good...and KB won't be around to molest you at Ponape.  You might get a cake-walk there.  I would not be surprise if Hiryu went down as well, but you never know if all those "hits" were real or just the optimistic chatter of SDB pilots trying to impress comrades and later....girls!  Admiral Wa is swilling sake and chomping the heck outta his cigar.  That was fun:).

Junyo and Unjo alive and well, huh?  Too bad about that.  I thought you had gotten at least one of them.  Tough little cookies.

Nonetheless, Chester Nimitz is smiling back at Pearl and new medals and maybe rank are coming your way. 

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RE: 1943 June 14 - 6/29/2013 1:03:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks!

And further on BBs comment/question: I think the fact that so few bases in this area got developed after I blitzed into the southern Solomons means that DAW HQ is overseeing interlocking networks of airfields further back, where he feels they are needed to defend the Empire and its resources. So the sooner I get to them, the easier they will be to deal with. The longer I take to get there, the tougher the slog.

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RE: 1943 June 14 - 7/1/2013 8:32:51 PM   
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RE: 1943 June 14 - 7/1/2013 8:44:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

whooooooooops, wrong side!.

Oh sure, be that way!

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RE: 1943 June 14 - 7/2/2013 1:50:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		The great Wa missed the ASL tourney in Austin last weekend.  I wonder why?

Scene:  A sweltering, dark bamboo hut on Truk Atoll.  A small fire irregularly lights the room and a small wook simmers over it.  Around it lay many tea leaves.  A small, thin man stares solemnly at them.  He lets out a thin wail..."Oh Kaga, my dear sweet Kaga, wither thath thou gone?  Do you sleep with the ocean's fishes?  Come hither and find a place of solace and rest".  But, Kaga does not come and the airwaves give not respite to his lingering hopes.  "Damn he cries, "I missed the freaking ASL tourney.  What greater torments does the Allied admiral wish upon my house"? 

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1943 June 15 - 7/2/2013 4:43:15 PM   
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1943 June 15

The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:
Wyndham

There were Imperial amphibious operations at:


There were Allied amphibious operations at:


The IJA is pressing to break through along the road to Burma.
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Ground combat at 71,49 (near Kunming)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7356 troops, 73 guns, 497 vehicles, Assault Value = 829

Defending force 58644 troops, 355 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1393

Japanese adjusted assault: 122

Allied adjusted defense: 232

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
468 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 40 disabled
Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 49 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 20 (2 destroyed, 18 disabled)
Vehicles lost 199 (42 destroyed, 157 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2010 casualties reported
Squads: 89 destroyed, 36 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 27 (21 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Assaulting units:
23rd Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
10th Tank Regiment
5th Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
2nd Ind.Mixed Regiment
6th Division
4th Tank Regiment
104th/B Division
2nd Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
67th Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
78th Chinese Corps
70th Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
31st Chinese Corps
3rd New Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
73rd Chinese Corps
79th Chinese/B Corps
57th AT Gun Regiment
56th AT Gun Regiment


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The Empire continued making air attacks on our troops in Burma, and while our 2EB took some rest the armada of 4EB savaged that bold regiment in the open south of Meiktila. By the time that regiment reaches the jungle it should be hors de combat.

Bettys found and attacked a slow convoy 17 hexes from Truk. P-40s caught up with them on the way out, but the damage was done and part of the 9th Port Maintenance Engineer Bn was lost.
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kusaie Island at 123,120

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 8

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
LST-460, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
LST-446, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
180 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
15th FG/45th FS with P-40E Warhawk (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead



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A lone USN destroyer spooked away but did not find and engage an xAKL making a port call at Mili. In prior days a few xAKL have been destroyed by Allied air power over the Marshalls. Essex is spotted 9 hexes SW of Kusaie Island but is making good speed in her journey through Allied controlled seas toward Pearl Harbor and she will be out of Imperial search range tomorrow. Enterprise and Yorktown are unspotted and 2 hexes ahead of Essex on their way to Sydney. Our TF of Fletchers did not intercept the 2 IJ target ships and is fully spotted from the air themselves (but were not attacked). They will take one more shot at it tonight. A small CA/DD force will also take up a patrol in that area to try and catch those two ships. The Ponape invasion forces are 1 hex off that island and will move in tonight and begin landing troops. On station with them are 5x CVE, plus 3x CV 1 hex away.





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The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:


There were Imperial amphibious operations at:


There were Allied amphibious operations at:
Ponape

The Empire continues the strangulation in China, sacrificing troops to close another hex side.
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Ground combat at Chengtu (75,41)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 4410 troops, 33 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 980

Defending force 33303 troops, 163 guns, 68 vehicles, Assault Value = 667

Japanese adjusted assault: 0

Allied adjusted defense: 1671

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2091 casualties reported
Squads: 43 destroyed, 88 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
19th Ind.Mixed Brigade
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade
41st/C Division
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd Infantry Regiment
110th/B Division

Defending units:
13th Construction Regiment
7th Construction Regiment
60th Chinese Corps
11th Construction Regiment
5th Construction Regiment
81st Chinese Corps
16th Construction Regiment
17th Construction Regiment
8th Construction Regiment
38th Chinese Corps
26th Chinese Corps
10th Construction Regiment
1st Chinese Base Force
Fourteenth USAAF
33rd Base Group
3rd Chinese Base Force




There are now seen >69,000 Imperial troops 1 hex NW Toungoo, near parity with our forces there. So, all of the armor in Burma is re-tasking from their various base prep assignments to Prome. Those forces coming along the coast will continue to make Prome their objective, but now a second salient will also. The armor and perhaps 3x infantry divisions (the two American and one Australian). Some of the units involved are already 100% prepped for Prome. The notion is that the armor units will begin on the western side of the rived from Magwe and move at full speed on Prome, and force a river crossing. The infantry will have to catch up. Prome is in open terrain, so our bombers will have far more effect than against targets in the jungle. So will theirs, but we now have a lot of very effective fighter units in and around Burma and I think we can hold the air for the time required. The 3x P-47 squadrons are now 10 days out from Aden on fast transports and will make India as rapidly as possible after that. The 2EB will be fully rested as well.

The 5x Fletcher DDs swept the Bismarck Sea clean.
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Rambutyo at 102,122, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 46, and is sunk
DD Minazuki, Shell hits 23, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Nicholas
DD Pringle
DD Walke, Shell hits 2
DD Morris
DD Lamson, Shell hits 2, on fire

Improved night sighting under 96% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 96% moonlight: 12,000 yards
Range closes to 27,000 yards...
Range closes to 25,000 yards...
Range closes to 23,000 yards...
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 13,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 11,000 yards
DD Lamson engages DD Minazuki at 11,000 yards
DD Minazuki engages DD Lamson at 11,000 yards
DD Minazuki engages DD Walke at 11,000 yards
DD Pringle engages DD Minazuki at 11,000 yards
DD Minazuki engages DD Nicholas at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
DD Nicholas engages DD Minazuki at 10,000 yards
DD Walke engages BB Hyuga at 10,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Pringle at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Lamson at 7,000 yards
DD Minazuki engages DD Walke at 7,000 yards
DD Minazuki engages DD Pringle at 7,000 yards
DD Minazuki engages DD Nicholas at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
DD Minazuki engages DD Lamson at 3,000 yards
DD Morris engages DD Minazuki at 3,000 yards
DD Pringle engages DD Minazuki at 3,000 yards
DD Nicholas engages DD Minazuki at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Minazuki engages DD Lamson at 2,000 yards
Magazine explodes on DD Minazuki
DD Minazuki sunk by DD Nicholas at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Lamson at 3,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Nicholas at 3,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Lamson at 4,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Walke at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 5,000 yards
DD Lamson engages BB Hyuga at 5,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Morris at 5,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Nicholas at 5,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Nicholas at 5,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Morris at 5,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Walke at 5,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Nicholas at 5,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Lamson at 6,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Walke at 6,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Pringle at 6,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Nicholas at 6,000 yards
DD Lamson engages BB Hyuga at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
DD Lamson engages BB Hyuga at 8,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Morris at 8,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Pringle at 8,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Lamson at 8,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Lamson at 8,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Nicholas at 8,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Walke at 8,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Morris at 8,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Nicholas at 8,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages DD Nicholas at 8,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Rambutyo at 102,121, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Tama Maru #5, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PB Hokuyo Maru, Shell hits 13, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Nicholas
DD Pringle
DD Walke
DD Morris
DD Lamson

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 29,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
DD Walke engages PB Hokuyo Maru at 14,000 yards
PB Tama Maru #5 sunk by DD Pringle at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
DD Morris engages PB Hokuyo Maru at 10,000 yards
DD Pringle engages PB Hokuyo Maru at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
DD Nicholas engages PB Hokuyo Maru at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
DD Walke engages PB Hokuyo Maru at 5,000 yards
Massive explosion on PB Hokuyo Maru
DD Lamson engages PB Hokuyo Maru at 5,000 yards
PB Hokuyo Maru sunk by DD Morris at 5,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...


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Given the now lack of targets, Callaghan's CA TF will bombard Manus then retire to rearm.

Opposition inshore at Ponape was heavy today. 3x DMS on mine sweeping duty were lost (one to an SSX), a number of destroyers savaged by the naval fortress' guns, 1x AP and 1x AKA with heavy damage and fires, and APA President Jackson with massive fires that she is unlikely to survive. Our troops at Ponape are all ashore in good order and well supplied. They are facing a regiment and the naval fortress. They attack tomorrow.
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Ground combat at Ponape (119,113)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4675 troops, 54 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 135

Defending force 14217 troops, 208 guns, 429 vehicles, Assault Value = 511

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
49th Infantry Regiment
Ponape Naval Fortress

Defending units:
41st Infantry Division
766th Tank Battalion
767th Tank Battalion
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion


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The attacks around Ponape were numerous and small. All told, including the Bismarck Sea and a small IJN raid on Torokina, the Allies lost 4 ships and the IJN 9 ships. The IJN losses include 3x SSX and, notably, Junyo, reported as sinking near Siargo. There are no corroborating ground losses for that one, but there might not be even if it's true. Here is the Intel Screen.




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RE: 1943 June 16 - 7/4/2013 1:49:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hummmm, the point total would appear to be ominious for the imperials.  The Emperor is probably not pleased and the Army is tossing ridicule at Admiral Wa.  And, to make matters more dire, it is only going to get worse for our esteemed Wa.

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Status: offline 		Yes - the points were stuck with a gap of about 3,000 points for the longest time. Finally starting to budge again. I'm hopeful that the Ponape ground battle will go well, with two Sherman Bns in support. With the recent sea battles going well troops will land at Kavieng and Manus just as fast as ships can get them there, so the point spread ought to continue moving. Of course things are going well for the Empire in China, so all is not roses.

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1943 June 17 - 7/4/2013 11:48:45 PM   
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The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:


There were Imperial amphibious operations at:


There were Allied amphibious operations at:
Ponape

A number of Chinese units pulled out of a massively over stacked hex where Imperial forces had attacked a few of days ago. The Imperials had not done too well and were seen to pull out units, but they were still strong and struck again.
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Ground combat at 71,49 (near Kunming)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 19904 troops, 175 guns, 473 vehicles, Assault Value = 712

Defending force 27008 troops, 154 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 409

Japanese adjusted assault: 494

Allied adjusted defense: 64

Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
283 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 43 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 22 (1 destroyed, 21 disabled)
Vehicles lost 28 (6 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
9275 casualties reported
Squads: 356 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 404 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 12 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 46 (44 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units retreated 11

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
3rd Tank Regiment
5th Tank Regiment
10th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
6th Division
11th Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
104th/B Division
2nd Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
78th Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
3rd New Chinese Corps
67th Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
70th Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
79th Chinese/B Corps
57th AT Gun Regiment
56th AT Gun Regiment


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There is now the danger that the Imperials could cut the road to Kunming before the various withdrawing Chinese units pass.

APA President Jackson did sink, and now so will the already damaged AKA Virgo. I pulled all other ships out of Ponape, and damaged Virgo and Warren were to head for Nauru with escort. But I neglected to cancel their unloading orders and Virgo was shot up badly today by that pesky naval fortress. Then, a midget sub put a torpedo into her in broad daylight. She's doomed.

In better news the CA bombarded Manus, destroying or damaging a large number of planes, most of them Nicks. DD Bennett bombarded Roi-Namur and then ran into - and dispatched - an xAKL at Kwajalein. The best news is the ground combat at Ponape went quite well. That island will certainly be in our hands tomorrow.

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Ground combat at Ponape (119,113)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4675 troops, 50 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 134

Defending force 14273 troops, 208 guns, 430 vehicles, Assault Value = 517

Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
49th Infantry Regiment
Ponape Naval Fortress

Defending units:
766th Tank Battalion
41st Infantry Division
767th Tank Battalion
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion


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Ground combat at Ponape (119,113)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13573 troops, 208 guns, 379 vehicles, Assault Value = 517

Defending force 4645 troops, 50 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 131

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 254

Japanese adjusted defense: 183

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1079 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 99 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
766th Tank Battalion
41st Infantry Division
767th Tank Battalion
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion

Defending units:
49th Infantry Regiment
Ponape Naval Fortress





Here is an overview map.




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1943 June 18 - 7/6/2013 6:31:44 AM   
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The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:
Ponape

There were Imperial amphibious operations at:


There were Allied amphibious operations at:


A Japanese deliberate attack on one of the China pockets went well for them odds-wise, but our boys took a serious bite out of them.
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Ground combat at 79,41 (near Kienko)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 29982 troops, 250 guns, 126 vehicles, Assault Value = 786

Defending force 28207 troops, 166 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 636

Japanese adjusted assault: 357

Allied adjusted defense: 352

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3786 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 358 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
633 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 63 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
60th Infantry Brigade
31st Infantry Regiment
3rd Mobile Infantry Regiment
64th Infantry Brigade
32nd/B Division
34th/A Division
34th/C Division
3rd Mobile Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
55th Chinese Corps
77th Chinese Corps
83rd Chinese Corps
59th Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps
33rd Group Army


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An Imperial sub sank another LSI(L) but was itself sunk in return. Some (escorted) tankers are seen making their way SW from the area of Rangoon, but they are tantalizingly on the edge of Force R's full speed 24 hr range. That would be 11 hexes in almost a stern chase out of 16 hexes max for 2 phases. If they go then the entire force could very well be lost to reprisals from the air.

Ponape is both captured and secured, but the minefields in the harbor must still be cleared.
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Ground combat at Ponape (119,113)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3691 troops, 46 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 48

Defending force 14310 troops, 208 guns, 430 vehicles, Assault Value = 513

Assaulting units:
49th Infantry Regiment
Ponape Naval Fortress

Defending units:
766th Tank Battalion
41st Infantry Division
767th Tank Battalion
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion


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Ground combat at Ponape (119,113)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13572 troops, 208 guns, 379 vehicles, Assault Value = 513

Defending force 3691 troops, 46 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 48

Allied adjusted assault: 218

Japanese adjusted defense: 23

Allied assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Ponape !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1337 casualties reported
Squads: 51 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 21 (19 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
766th Tank Battalion
41st Infantry Division
767th Tank Battalion
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion

Defending units:
49th Infantry Regiment
Ponape Naval Fortress


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Ponape Naval Fortress Wiped Out at Ponape by attrition!!!


Japanese Unit(s) surrounded at Ponape




Not sure if this next report is real. Maybe the Empire is trying for an ambush to raise morale.




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1943 June 19 - 7/6/2013 10:21:54 PM   
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The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:


There were Imperial amphibious operations at:


There were Allied amphibious operations at:


Today's Japanese attack on that pocket in China went better was still somewhat in our favor. Marching continues in Burma, as does the R&R for our 2EB crews. Ponape's harbor and approaches have been cleared of mines. We're hurrying to get that second division loaded for Kavieng, but they are awaiting more transports to get back from Ponape. The good news is that the Manus invasion force will be only a little behind the Kavieng Force.

The Empire is trying to push its way into the Burma Road from multiple angles.




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The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:


There were Imperial amphibious operations at:


There were Allied amphibious operations at:
Merauke

The Empire strikes back! Deep in the night BB Mississippi was set up by a perfect submarine anvil attack.
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Sub attack near Kusaie Island at 119,120

Japanese Ships
SS I-27

Allied Ships
BB Mississippi, Torpedo hits 1
DD Bailey
DD Meade

SS I-27 launches 6 torpedoes at BB Mississippi
I-27 diving deep ....
DD Meade attacking submerged sub ....
DD Meade fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Meade fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Meade fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Meade attacking submerged sub ....
DD Meade is out of ASW ammo
Escort abandons search for sub


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Submarine attack near Kusaie Island at 119,120

Japanese Ships
SS I-29

Allied Ships
BB Mississippi, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

BB Mississippi is sighted by SS I-29
SS I-29 launches 6 torpedoes at BB Mississippi


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She's gone. Here is a look at the danger zone.




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Status: offline 		I think I see the problem - Mississippi's escorts were "Bailey's" and "Mead". They were seeing multiple subs and always went after the illusory one ...

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