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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/16/2013 8:03:38 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		Is it possible to get a draw after a poor 1941 campaign as GHC? That will be the subject of this AAR.

My opponent Schascha is a very good chessplayer and I've been completely outplayed during summer 1941. For the details see his AAR (in french)

http://www.leqg.org/

He was also terribly efficient with the partisans and from mid to end october 1941 4 of my 5 rail lines were cut. So I decided to go back to Poland (shame on me).

Only advantage of that retreat, my pzd had a high morale and CV in march 1942


It was the same for my Inf
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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/16/2013 8:14:28 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		I was of course on the offensive from march to june but he had time to prepare lines of defence, had plenty of manpower armaments and so on.

In june 1942, the front looked like that:

The north



The south


Poor result in fact

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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/16/2013 8:20:11 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		I wanted of course continue to attack and built ambitious plans




With all my mighty Pzd, Mot and Inf it must be "fingers in the noise"


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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/16/2013 8:26:28 PM   
STEF78


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and the South


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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/16/2013 8:43:02 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		I decided bravely to attack in the South







Each hex was earned with pain, a breakthrough looked impossible



Just a picture to show the efficiency of Schascha's partisans



And finally the OOB



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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/16/2013 8:47:22 PM   
STEF78


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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/16/2013 8:53:19 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		From turn 56, we begun a WWI war style.

Schascha took an hex with heavy attacks



I counterattacked just after.



At this time of the game, I hadn't enough worked my chain of command (see the penalty)

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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/16/2013 9:01:26 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		This WWI continued all the summer and fall 1942. Here the beginning of november 1942 south of the Dniepr



and around Minsk


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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/16/2013 9:09:52 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		We are now in May 1943, last turn of mud. Schascha has his red army 2.0 ready to bite. I have an in depth defence and a good reserve activation system.

The front is as follow:





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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/16/2013 9:18:19 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		A weakness comes from the fact that Schascha uses a lot of bombing HQ and killed Guderian, Von Kleist... it's a clear handicap

The losses...


And the OOB


And now I waiting for the red waves!!!

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RE: Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha w... - 7/16/2013 10:51:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		4.4 mio. axis troops? wow. i never saw such a high number here at this time.

you can easily get a draw if you keep defending and giving up space slowly where its necessary.

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RE: Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha w... - 7/16/2013 11:11:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bigbaba

4.4 mio. axis troops? wow. i never saw such a high number here at this time.

you can easily get a draw if you keep defending and giving up space slowly where its necessary.

I have:
- roughly 50 000 german squads available
- a good Luftwaffe (all J87 were converted in fighters) and 95% of the fighters are FW190 and BF109G6
- all Pzd /Mot are at full strength
- up to 4 lines of 3 to 4 level forts
- more than 100 AP in bank
I haven't space to give but he will have to hit very hard for each hex. I will closely look at my morale.

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RE: Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha w... - 7/17/2013 3:36:49 PM   
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RE: Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha w... - 7/17/2013 9:30:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juret

your tigers attached to ss pz and gd regiments on reserve behind front?

At this time of the game, GHC has only 6 units available to get Tigers.
- 3 SS Div LAH, DR, Totenkopf
- 3 heavy pz battalion (502,503,505). I have attached them to Mot or Pzd.

All these units will be in refit mode during mud turns and in reserve mode during clear turns. And they will be split into regiment to get a better activation.

And right now I have plenty of Tigers in the reserve pool

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RE: Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha w... - 7/18/2013 2:10:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		If "draw" as Axis you will have done well!
And very well explained AAR, thanks.

Like your ideas of holding great reserve/ready units behind fronts, but makes placing them very important.

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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/18/2013 11:22:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rrbill

If "draw" as Axis you will have done well!
And very well explained AAR, thanks.

Like your ideas of holding great reserve/ready units behind fronts, but makes placing them very important.

With recon and logic, you can eliminate some points of attacks. And you also have to search his Art

Just an example what I did north of Minsk



I evacuated the salliant and set Pzd/Mot in reserve mode in second line. This way I'm able to get up to 6 units acting as reserve on a single fght.

Schascha took the hex north of the lake only after a fierce fight!



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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/18/2013 11:24:11 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		In the South, I give one hex and sacrify some italians units


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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/18/2013 11:38:41 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		I only loose 2 hexes (except italians) and due to mud I reoccupate immediatly these hexes.

Some successfull defensive fights were very intense

Minsk sector




And in the Nikolaïev sector




As you noticed, I have attached a lot of units directly to Army HQ and disbanded some corps HQ. It's clearly more efficient.

Thanks to Pelton for this good advice

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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/19/2013 4:55:23 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		Turn 102, 27 May 1943

Bad news to begin, another victim of air strikes



Inf 8, Morale 8 etc... I loose a useful commander

And below the list of the KIA




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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/19/2013 4:57:56 PM   
STEF78


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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/19/2013 5:02:02 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		And for the moment the different axis of attack that Schascha has choosen for this spring 1943

In White Russia



In Ukraine




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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/22/2013 9:26:27 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		Turn 103, 3rd June 1943

Schascha did some light attacks, but mainly used his airpower. The front didn't move

The losses:




I felt confident with a such level of losses but in fact the balance is going on his side...



In one month the variation is as follow



Time is clearly not on my side!!!!!


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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/22/2013 9:32:01 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		And above all I hate his air strikes.

Due to my reserve commitment system, I need commanders with high initiative but he is killing them regularly



"Verlorene Siege" will not be written

I'm asking how Wite manage a game without generals?

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RE: Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha w... - 7/22/2013 11:24:49 PM   
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RE: Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha w... - 7/23/2013 1:36:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: STEF78

And above all I hate his air strikes.

Due to my reserve commitment system, I need commanders with high initiative but he is killing them regularly


I'm asking how Wite manage a game without generals?


Another very lamo part of wite

I hope witw doesn't have the same stupid "random" death system or all the GHC leaders will be dead in a month.

Another great example of why people should disband Corp HQ's.

If you are set up right you can get by with 7 and even 6 for reactions and from reading the AAR, you are set-up right.

You have 4.5 million so you have a draw no problem. I was holding off 9.5 million with 3.5 handy capped with several bugs.

Its nice to see more and more GHC players learning the art of defending.

Very good AAR, old dogs can learn new tricks.








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RE: Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha w... - 7/23/2013 6:41:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SigUp

How many generals has he killed already, and were the HQs stacked together with combat units?

Here is the list of the general killed. e-Hitler helped the russians while executing Von Bock



At the begining of the game, HQ were alone behind the front and not stacked. But they lost roughly 500 men at each air strike.

Now I stack them with other units and try to move them regularly to prevent too easy air striking.

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RE: Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha w... - 7/23/2013 6:44:45 PM   
STEF78


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ORIGINAL: Pelton

Very good AAR, old dogs can learn new tricks.





Thanks.

I used in fact most of your advices. Till mid 43, it works.

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RE: Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha w... - 7/23/2013 7:21:45 PM   
SigUp

 

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Status: offline 		Losing Guderian, Manstein, Kleist and Rendulic is a harsh blow, Lindemann is also a good commander. Am I the only one who thinks massed bombing of HQs to kill leaders by either side in WITE is gamey?

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RE: Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha w... - 7/23/2013 7:39:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SigUp

Losing Guderian, Manstein, Kleist and Rendulic is a harsh blow, Lindemann is also a good commander. Am I the only one who thinks massed bombing of HQs to kill leaders by either side in WITE is gamey?

Some players set as home rule no bombing of HQ when not stacking with another unit.

I think it's a good idea.

In fact it's my first campaign versus human reaching mid 1943. I don't know if 12 killed is a "normal" result.

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Camerone in Russia (STEF78 vs Schascha), Schascha welcome - 7/23/2013 8:08:48 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		Turn 104, 10 june 1943

First, no leader killed

Heavy fights this week, Schascha made heavy attacks as show the losses



I'm pretty satisfied with the air losses ratio


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