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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/13/2013 9:35:58 PM

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Pretend I don't know how strategic points work.

Alright. The expurgated version: bomb or capture **** of strategic value. Get points.

right, I know about the capture part. Bomb what? Industry? Manpower? National Shrines?

You can gain sizeable SPs by bombing aircraft / engine factories, HI centers, oil, refineries and the like. Bombing manpower will create firestorms (if done right). These firestorms can cause indiscriminate damage to any of the aforementioned in the hex. It's the same effect (in terms of SPs) as damaging / destroying individual targets, it's just proportioned out differently.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/13/2013 11:04:35 PM

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"You can gain sizeable SPs by bombing aircraft / engine factories, HI centers, oil, refineries and the like. Bombing manpower will create firestorms (if done right). These firestorms can cause indiscriminate damage to any of the aforementioned in the hex. It's the same effect (in terms of SPs) as damaging / destroying individual targets, it's just proportioned out differently."

One of the 12,586 things I didn`t know about WITPAE..

I don`t pay much attention to them, do the SP points show up in the VP totals in some way ?

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/13/2013 11:17:07 PM

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"You can gain sizeable SPs by bombing aircraft / engine factories, HI centers, oil, refineries and the like. Bombing manpower will create firestorms (if done right). These firestorms can cause indiscriminate damage to any of the aforementioned in the hex. It's the same effect (in terms of SPs) as damaging / destroying individual targets, it's just proportioned out differently."

One of the 12,586 things I didn`t know about WITPAE.. I don`t pay much attention to them, do the SP points show up in the VP totals in some way ?

yes, see post 12830....at the bottom of the screen capture ...under the score column

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/13/2013 11:27:22 PM

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"You can gain sizeable SPs by bombing aircraft / engine factories, HI centers, oil, refineries and the like. Bombing manpower will create firestorms (if done right). These firestorms can cause indiscriminate damage to any of the aforementioned in the hex. It's the same effect (in terms of SPs) as damaging / destroying individual targets, it's just proportioned out differently."

One of the 12,586 things I didn`t know about WITPAE.. I don`t pay much attention to them, do the SP points show up in the VP totals in some way ?

1SP=1VP, just as the VPs in the other categories are synonymous too. If you were to tabulate all of the categories for different VPs (air loss differential), VPs from enemy ships sunk, etc., you'd reach the grand total in the lower left.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/14/2013 6:02:31 PM

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"You can gain sizeable SPs by bombing aircraft / engine factories, HI centers, oil, refineries and the like. Bombing manpower will create firestorms (if done right). These firestorms can cause indiscriminate damage to any of the aforementioned in the hex. It's the same effect (in terms of SPs) as damaging / destroying individual targets, it's just proportioned out differently."

One of the 12,586 things I didn`t know about WITPAE.. I don`t pay much attention to them, do the SP points show up in the VP totals in some way ?

1SP=1VP, just as the VPs in the other categories are synonymous too. If you were to tabulate all of the categories for different VPs (air loss differential), VPs from enemy ships sunk, etc., you'd reach the grand total in the lower left.

What is not understood and what this AAR might end up exploring is the question of just how effective is strategic bombing ? That is will a strategy of bypassing everything and having lots of errors made by staff flunkies made moot by establishing B29 and other 4E access to the home lands ...

My limited experience tells me that this strategy can be / is effective and that thousands of VP's over a 24 month period can be gained by turning Japan into ash ...including points by bombing ships in progress in ports and aircraft on the ground ...

One downside of this strategy is that some of the bypassed bases are large IJ points banks ...given that the game emphasizes the denominator of the equation the Allied/IJ must be 2:1 by end of the game (or 3:1 by January '44) each IJ point taken away is in effect 3 points toward that goal in '44 and 2 points in '45 as compared to just gaining Allied points .. so twice as many strat points are required ('45 AV standards) than other base points .. but I calculate now that this is not only possible but a viable strategy despite the many errors made by staff flunkies ...

I am still not sure if the historical "arc light" firebombing missions in this game are a better strategy than concentrating on research aircraft factories and then the most viable aircraft manufacturing .... My last game ended before I got to set fire to Japan ...

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/14/2013 8:00:54 PM

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Great points, Crackaces. I concur.

I think the specifics of an Allied aerial assault also depend on the nature of the resistance expected. An IJ opponent that focuses on late war fighters / night fighters in quantity is likely to have a defensive edge against unescorted Allied bombers.

However, in the Cap'n's game, I've not seen any evidence that IJ R&D has advanced beyond the historical one iota. When the Allies start getting B-29s in quantity (and basing them on Luzon), they can torch the ever living **** out of Kyushu. This will be an effective means of bringing their VPs back up to even.

The Allies (in game) are so far ahead of the historical timeline for this sort of endeavor it's not even funny. By reason of their bold movements forward, they'll be able to base sizeable fleets of long-ranged bombers for use against points North. I don't expect much resistance either. This'll give the Allies something to do with their time whilest allowing their LCUs to catch up on sleep and rest.

I'm entertaining bets that the game gets dropped before 1944 though...

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/15/2013 1:36:09 PM

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Great points, Crackaces. I concur.

I think the specifics of an Allied aerial assault also depend on the nature of the resistance expected. An IJ opponent that focuses on late war fighters / night fighters in quantity is likely to have a defensive edge against unescorted Allied bombers.

However, in the Cap'n's game, I've not seen any evidence that IJ R&D has advanced beyond the historical one iota. When the Allies start getting B-29s in quantity (and basing them on Luzon), they can torch the ever living **** out of Kyushu. This will be an effective means of bringing their VPs back up to even.

The Allies (in game) are so far ahead of the historical timeline for this sort of endeavor it's not even funny. By reason of their bold movements forward, they'll be able to base sizeable fleets of long-ranged bombers for use against points North. I don't expect much resistance either. This'll give the Allies something to do with their time whilest allowing their LCUs to catch up on sleep and rest.

I'm entertaining bets that the game gets dropped before 1944 though...

Well I hope that some strat bombing occurs so I have another data point for my game

I do think because of game mechanics that a systemic reduction of Airfields in the target area is first on the list. LRCAP is just not effective against the juggernaut of 4E's ...Then hit ports with things ... now given your assessment of the aircraft industry .. it might behoove the Allies to strike production lines rather than research since the IJ have not invested in R&D ...

I assume some recon of factories and discover which types the IJ have invested and what is the most threating to B29's are on the list ....assuming that this game will be over before Jet fighters ..

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/16/2013 6:03:18 PM

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The ultra secret for your eyes only orders were sent on the Admiral Lord SPrior.

USS Argonaut, with 108 tons of Parchesi sets and size 9 berets is the Andaman Sea headed for Port Blair. This should more than double the supplies there! Huzzah!

All of a sudden the annoying, inscrutable LYB's have put fresh fighters into Rangoon (50+) and 75 bombers into Pegu. These might be the feared Ida but at least some must be the even more fearsome Netties.

I had to get in the Mandrake household tax returns after the extensions. I moved some crap around...cited some passive activity loss carryovers...et voila....$800 "refund".

SG: Wow, how did we get a refund?

FAM: By writing the ****-*******, ******-******* baaahstards a $13K check in April.

SG: Oh. <this ended any discussion of a weekend at the Hotel Del Coronado with drinks on the beach>

She is completely clueless about taxes.

By ra way, the "Hotel Del" (Coronado Is in SD) has one of the coolest beaches in California

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/16/2013 6:25:42 PM

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Sadly the neighbor with the $10K mailbox..you know the one who is at least 70 but still knocked me on my ass playing B-ball a few years back over at PG's house when she was still married to her husband who has since left to shack up with a 23 year old and who now pays her $15K a month PLUS the mortgage on the 5000 sq ft house with a pool, a creepy pool guy that comes out 3x/week to see if he can see PG walking around the house naked and a Mercedes and an Escalade.....wait, I forgot where I was?

Oh yeah, the neighbor with the 10K mailbox whom I suspect narc'ed on me to the HOA and purposely put his mailbox on my property AND who knocked me down palying B-ball had to sell his house for less than he owed because of divorce.

This is another demonstration of the Built-in Barbecue Theorem of Mandrake.

Simply stated, this posits that one should NEVER build an outdoor built-in BBQ or outdoor pizza oven or high end crap like that because it is an absolute gurantee that you will be paying alimony in 5 years. Poor bastard didn't just put in a BBQ either. He built a pool with a waterfall, a fountain out front with limestone, a driveway with antique bricks and full gown olive trees, a $10K mailbox and a FREAKIN' reflecting pond. Man, that is just kicking sand in Odin's face. A refelcting pond, really? He also spent thousands on attorney's fees arguing with the HOA trying to move his back fence 10 feet. I tried to warn him when he showed me his plans. Poor bastard thought I was joking. Evidently, he took out loans for the reflecting pond because he was upside down. No way he should have been upside down even with the market hit in 2008. Poor bastard.

Now his 25-30 year younger wife left him and he is trying to take care of a sullen teen boy and twin 10 year olds.

Poor bastard.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/16/2013 6:33:04 PM

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On a happier note: so PG struts around the house naked, then. How did you know that?

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/16/2013 8:17:52 PM

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By ra way, the "Hotel Del" (Coronado Is in SD) has one of the coolest beaches in California

Lovely. We took the kids there last year when we were in SD. Twas their first time in the ocean too. Classy way to make a first spash. It was a bit painful to dish out $20 for a grilled cheese sandwich for the wee ones, but you don't get many opportunities to dine outdoors in such a fine establishment.

I appreciate the songbird and pigeon control system they have in place for the hotel. Worked very well.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/16/2013 8:21:42 PM

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Now his 25-30 year younger wife left him and he is trying to take care of a sullen teen boy and twin 10 year olds. Poor bastard.

What a crap deal. Sure, he done wrong, IIRC from your tales, but c'mon...

Makes you want to really bore in on the prenups.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/16/2013 8:22:45 PM

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On a happier note: so PG struts around the house naked, then. How did you know that?

Might your neighbor or his pool guy happen to have any candid photos they could share with a group of your online buddies? Cannnnnndid photos? Grin grin, wink wink, nudge nudge?

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/16/2013 9:36:06 PM

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On a happier note: so PG struts around the house naked, then. How did you know that?

The same way the Arried High Command Brain Trust knew that JJ was going to send a surface group to Laoag.....inference.

When is the last time you saw a service guy show up 3 times a week to clean the pool when he gets paid for once a week?

Oh yeah, I forgot. One time, when I was walking the dogs, PG came out to get the paper and I was forced to avert my eyes due to a severe wardrobe malfunction.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/16/2013 9:46:45 PM

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Now his 25-30 year younger wife left him and he is trying to take care of a sullen teen boy and twin 10 year olds. Poor bastard.

What a crap deal. Sure, he done wrong, IIRC from your tales, but c'mon...

Makes you want to really bore in on the prenups.

I have completely forgiven the lad for the body check in "friendly" neighborhood B-ball....AND...for the poorly disguised mailbox placement "error".

I don't think "crap deal" completely describes the situation. It was an absolute abdication of maternal repsonsibilities by his ex.

There is some cosmic justice. It seems her new sugar daddy saw the barometer falling rapidly, called off the engagement and told her, "Here's $100,000. Get the Hell out of my life."

That's quite a bit of "earnest money". Evidently he feared a lawsuit over the broken engagement. I am able to relate this story because PG told me about it. She was fully dressed at the time.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/17/2013 3:45:44 PM

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Operation Horycrappo-jima. Horycrappo-jima. Buildable to level 7 airfield. Crappy port, sure, within range of Jap bases Okinawa, sure, Formosa bases all at 100%, sure...but look at it this way...the beaches are so empty.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/17/2013 3:49:30 PM

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Take it easy on those massaged cows up around Kobe, will ya? It's be a shame to destroy that aspect of Japanese culture with the firebombing.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/17/2013 3:53:59 PM

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It's a clear hex. We would need a full regiment there and CD guns to repulse a counter-landing. We would have to move a shed-load of engineers. Too far from Batan Is. for effective LRCAP. We would need a full time SCTF after the airfield went to level one. We would need carriers to get all the engineers ashore.

Even with all the building required, I suspect we could be ready there before we could capture Naha.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/17/2013 3:54:09 PM

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Now his 25-30 year younger wife left him and he is trying to take care of a sullen teen boy and twin 10 year olds. Poor bastard.

What a crap deal. Sure, he done wrong, IIRC from your tales, but c'mon...

Makes you want to really bore in on the prenups.

I have completely forgiven the lad for the body check in "friendly" neighborhood B-ball....AND...for the poorly disguised mailbox placement "error".

I don't think "crap deal" completely describes the situation. It was an absolute abdication of maternal repsonsibilities by his ex.

There is some cosmic justice. It seems her new sugar daddy saw the barometer falling rapidly, called off the engagement and told her, "Here's $100,000. Get the Hell out of my life."

That's quite a bit of "earnest money". Evidently he feared a lawsuit over the broken engagement. I am able to relate this story because PG told me about it. She was fully dressed at the time.

I don't get it. I am old enough to be a Sugar Daddy I just don't have the money. But if I did I wouldn't be chasing a woman who was already married.

I would be on this website.
http://sugardaddie.com

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/17/2013 3:57:19 PM

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I don't get it. I am old enough to be a Sugar Daddy I just don't have the money. But if I did I wouldn't be chasing a woman who was already married.

I would be on this website.
http://sugardaddie.com

I think she went to http://golddigger.com first.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/17/2013 6:11:45 PM

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Wonder what the weathers like at Shanghai this time of year?

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/17/2013 6:59:35 PM

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Wonder what the weathers like at Shanghai this time of year?

Is that a Theodore Giesel drawing? It rook rike one. Hand rook rike Grinch.

Also, it rook rike Shanghai garrison need nair crippers.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/17/2013 7:02:10 PM

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Also, I'm sure Admiral Lord SPrior would agree. No more racist caricatures. We are trying to go high-brow.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 1:12:35 AM

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We are trying to go high-brow.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 12:21:38 PM

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Herro!

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 12:22:37 PM

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Also, I'm sure Admiral Lord SPrior would agree. No more racist caricatures. We are trying to go high-brow.

What he means is when we swap sides and do it all again that we will, of course, disown you all.

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 3:09:47 PM

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***********May 5, 1943(c)************

Batan Is: JJ saw some of our ships there so they send Joe Isuzu, but we fool them, we no show up. Haha! We were just reaving. Rain, no moon. Perfect for the Elkos...even our PT boats have radar...but alas...

Night Time Surface Combat, near Batan Island at 85,70, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Isuzu
DD Michishio
DD Yudachi
DD Usugumo
DD Kisaragi

Allied Ships
PT-231
PT-236
PT-241, Shell hits 8, and is sunk

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 3:25:06 PM

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Clark: We send Radioman 1st Class Glen "Sparks" Campbell and the entire crew of Wichita to bombard, but it's just not as much fun without the Willie Pete rounds. Trying to degrade all the damn bypassed WJD airfields on Luzon so we can give our damn fighters a rest. We are aided by a friendly seagull who braves the explosions to call the fall of shot. Generoso, whose entire family was run over by a Jap Ronson back in '42(c) has vowed to "kill every last one of the little yellow baaahstards". He used to try to poison them by dive bombing their fish-head soup but taught himself semifore signals when the US Navy showed up. Just one of the many stories in the War in the Pacific.

Night Naval bombardment of Clark Field at 79,76

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 11 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Wichita
DD MacDonough
DD Helm

Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Runway hits 10
Port hits 2

Seagull acting as spotter for CA Wichita

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 3:30:36 PM

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He must be part of the OSS, which stands for...

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RE: Wound my heart with a monotonous languor - 8/18/2013 3:31:35 PM

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Operation . Horycrappo-jima. Buildable to level 7 airfield. Crappy port, sure, within range of Jap bases Okinawa, sure, Formosa bases all at 100%, sure...but look at it this way...the beaches are so empty.

Well "Horycrappo-jima" alias Miyako-Jima has some other redeeming features of note. The stacking limit is 60,000 ! A lot of engineers can be brought up as soon as a port and support can be landed. It's partner next door Ishigaki is similar with a stacking limit of 40,000, port (1)1 air 0(4); Irimonte is the lesser of the 3 islands having a n air of 0(2) .. Funny but I believe the fortress is on Irimonte? A JFB can correct me... I do like the fact that the Allies now can isolate these islands with Army air platforms that will not need drop tanks.[Naha 4 hexes away Takao 6]

I am not sure how the map can ignore such a crucial place and emphasize the smallest base of the three ... I am with the Cap' that I suspect the IJ have also in kind ignored this little jewel sitting between Formosa and Oki ..

I would bet that One thing is for certain attacking this target ... The IJA/IJN would be committing aircraft in gobs from both Naha and Formosa ... one huge air contest in late '43 ... One I propose that the Allies can control by isolating supplies from Naha and Formosa ...

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