Slitherine

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You get NO links, sources, or references for any of this.



composer99: My source of information is the WiFFE-RAW-7.0 or when seriously interested in a rule AUSTRALIAN DESIGN GROUP WiF FE Rule Clarification Summary.

For me to go to a group outside these forums would be counter productive. It may or may not be how the game is being written.

As this is a forum (a public meeting place for open discussion) this is where we can discuss how to play the game.

Almost everyone who has been exposed to this game knows there is a steep learning curve involved.

What is a person new to WiF's only source of information? The WiFFE-RAW-7.0.

I posted that I was not contesting ANY of the comments or clarifications but I stated why I made my original post the way I did.



You have taken my post and attacked it even when I said I did not contest the interpretation of it.

And it turns out that the attack was even more meaningless by the rule clarification at AUSTRALIAN DESIGN GROUP WiF FE Rule Clarification Summary

Were you that bored?


Or are you saying that you must have a background in the game or be a member of a WiF information group (chosen by you) in order to post a comment in these forums?



Why have I always had to post my links, sources, and references when the rest of you do not even bother?

To respond civilly to your post I have waited a full day before drafting this.

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In this stage, you can announce that you are giving resources and/or lend leasing build points (see 13.6.4) to another major power on the same side this turn.

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ORIGINAL: bommerrang

Question -
Poland's air force rebases to Hungary. Playing optional rules Pilots and Interment. Do the pilots get added immediately to the CW's pilot track to be used the following turn or do they wait until Germant and Russia are at war?
Rules clarification back in 2007 had a question on this but the question was about if they stayed in Poland. Harry responded the pilots must wait until Germany and Russia were at war. But what if they rebase to Hungary?
I say they are Polish and must wait until Russia and Germany are at war. My very smart opponent says no, only if they stayed in Eastern Poland and were interened by the Russians would they have to wait.

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Option 58: (Internment) A minor country aircraft unit can rebase into a neutral minor country. An aircraft unit that does that is destroyed. (PiF option 28: but the pilot survives).

If an aircraft is destroyed but the pilot survives, increase your total on the available pilots track by 1.

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19.5.1 Eastern Poland
The USSR can exercise its Nazi-Soviet Pact rights to occupy eastern Poland during any Allied land movement step. However, it can only exercise those rights if Poland has not been conquered.

You exercise those rights by moving a land unit into any hex of eastern Poland.

Once you exercise those rights, the part of Poland to the east of the partition line becomes conquered by the Soviets. Move any Axis units there to the nearest Axis controlled hex they can stack in. Any Allied (except Soviet) units there are destroyed. They are removed from the game (internment) until Germany and the USSR are at war, at which point they may be added to the Commonwealth force pool if the Commonwealth player so desires.

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ORIGINAL: composer99

There weren't any generic threads for questions about the game rules. So here's one.

Any questions that the people here who know the game can't answer we can always forward off to the wifdiscussion list to be shunted off to the decision-making people (ADG).

Incidentally, two things to keep in mind:
(1) The rules may have already been 'fixed' for coding into MWiF, which may render moot some questions.
(2) There's an updated version of RAW (RAW 8) coming sometime soon. I don't belong to any semi-official rules/testing groups so I couldn't guess when, although I do know they were playtested at the US WiFCon in August. Not sure how much RAW 8 will affect MWiF.

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ORIGINAL: bommerrang

I'm only asking clarification on Harry's answer where he stated that the Polish pilots do NOT go on the CW pilot track if they get interned in Eastern Poland.
Harry IS linking option 58 with 19.5.1.
I do not view this issue as a geographic issue but a Polish specific one.

Here is his answer:
Q19.5-1 19.5.1
14.6.4 Option 58
When USSR takes Eastern Poland, what happens to Polish air units eventually in Eastern Poland? Are pilots immediately available to the CW or only available when USSR / Germany at war (like Polish land units)?

The latter. Date 29/12/2007 19.5.1: Any Allied (except Soviet) units there are
destroyed. They are removed from the game
(internment) until Germany and the USSR are at war,
at which point they may be added to the Commonwealt
force pool if the CW player so desires.
14.6.4 Option 58: A minor country aircraft unit can
rebase into a neutral minor country. An aircraft unit that
does that is destroyed. (PiF option 28: but the pilot
survives).

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ORIGINAL: composer99

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In this stage, you can announce that you are giving resources and/or lend leasing build points (see 13.6.4) to another major power on the same side this turn.

and the FAQ has nothing to say on it in its clarifications for §5, either.

The word "another" is, in context, ambiguous. It doesn't quite say "one other major power", nor does it say "other major powers", either of which would be quite clear.

The interpretation you were asking about is possible based on the rule, although it is foreign to my own playing experience. Certainly I agree with pauldernyck that the correct interpretation is that any and all other eligible major powers may be lent to. But reading just "another major power", I wouldn't completely rule out that what ADG really meant was "one other major power".

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ORIGINAL: Easo79


I know that this has already been discussed, but as I am now learning the rules it is still very interesting to me.

For me (I never have played the game AND English is not my native language)

5. "In this stage, you can announce that you are giving resources and/or lend leasing build points (see 13.6.4) to another major power on the same side this turn"

has all three following meanings



5a) In this stage, you can announce that you are giving resources to another major power on the same side this turn.
5b) In this stage, you can announce that you are lend leasing build points (see 13.6.4) to another major power on the same side this turn.
5c) In this stage, you can announce that you are giving resources and lend leasing build points (see 13.6.4) to another major power on the same side this turn.

13.6.4 says

You can lend lease any number of build points to or from each major power each turn

13.6.4 does not address resources specifically, but nothing in section 5 suggests that they are treated differently from building points regarding donations (except that resources are "given" and build points are "lend-leased").

In addition, there are scattered examples in the rules that indicate than resources can be given to different countries in the same turn. E.g: USA entry 15. "The US can give up to 5 resources per turn each to the Commonwealth and France in future turns".

Therefore, it seems to me that what the rules say is what common sense dictates in this regard.

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A. REINFORCEMENT STAGE
B. LENDING RESOURCES STAGE
5. Lending Stage
13.6.4 Lend lease
In this stage, you can announce that you are giving resources and/or lend leasing build points (see 13.6.4 Lend lease) to another major power on the same side this turn.
Lend lease was a device FDR invented to circumvent US neutrality laws concerning non-involvement in the war. US military goods were “leased” to the other Allies on a deferred payment or return basis (preferably without too many holes in them).

To lend lease, you must announce how many build points you are giving during the lending stage (see 5.). You can lend lease any number of build points to or from each major power each turn (exceptions: China and USA ~ see 13.3.2 US entry options and the USSR ~ see 5.Lending Stage). You can lend lease build points and receive them in the same turn (but not to the same major power).

Transport
During the production step, you transport the promised build points to any city or major port in the recipient’s home country (Britain’s in the
case of the Commonwealth). You do this in exactly the same way as you transport resources (see 13.6.1), except that you can also transport
an additional 2 build points to the capital and 1 to each other city and major port cumulative, each turn (e.g. you could transport 6 build points
to London each turn; 2 for being the capital, 3 for the factories and

C. INITIATIVE STAGE
D. ACTION STAGE
D2 First side’s impulse
Every major power on the first side performs these steps:
D2.1 Declare war
D2.2 Choose action
Choose either a pass, a naval, an air, a land or a combined action.
D2.3 Perform actions

E. END OF TURN STAGE
E1 Partisans
E2 US entry
E3 Return to base
E4 Final reorganisation
E5 Production
E6 Intelligence (option 63)
E7 Peace

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15. Resources to western Allies (Ge/It) (There is a 60% chance that a USA (Ge/It) entry pool chit will be moved to the USA (Ge/It) tension pool)
The US can give up to 5 resources per turn each to the Commonwealth and France in future turns (unlimited while the USA is at war with Germany). USA convoy points can’t be used to transport these resources while the USA is a neutral major power.

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You cannot give resources to a major power in the same turn as it is giving resources to you. However, you can give resources to a major power in the same turn as another major power gives resources to you. The same restrictions apply to lend leasing build points.

You may however give build points to a major power in the same turn you receive resources from that major power or vice versa.

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SiF option 9: Up to 4 naval units can stack together in a minor port. Every 2 convoy points (or any spare point) is a naval unit.

19.4 Minor country units
Setting up
When a minor country aligns with you, set up its initial units immediately. You must set up in hexes controlled by that minor. At least half a minor country’s initial units must set up in its home country.

CoiF option 76: The CoiF column in the above table is the number of tankers these minor countries start with. Reduce that number of SiF convoy points set up. (e.g. Finland sets up with 1 tanker and 2 convoy points).

24.1.6 Setting up
Where to set up
A neutral major power can only set up in hexes it controls.

You must set up all on-map naval units in ports.

All units must conform to stacking limits after set up (see 2.3 Stacking).

After you have finished setting-up, you can make naval moves out to sea with your naval units. Treat this as a naval action you conducted last turn, so the units must finish their move, then drop to a lower sea-box section as if they had stayed at sea last turn (see 13.4 Return to base). Neutral major powers can only make these moves with convoy (CoiF option 76: and tanker) points.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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SiF option 9: Up to 4 naval units can stack together in a minor port. Every 2 convoy points (or any spare point) is a naval unit.

19.4 Minor country units
Setting up
When a minor country aligns with you, set up its initial units immediately. You must set up in hexes controlled by that minor. At least half a minor country’s initial units must set up in its home country.

CoiF option 76: The CoiF column in the above table is the number of tankers these minor countries start with. Reduce that number of SiF convoy points set up. (e.g. Finland sets up with 1 tanker and 2 convoy points).

24.1.6 Setting up
Where to set up
A neutral major power can only set up in hexes it controls.

You must set up all on-map naval units in ports.

All units must conform to stacking limits after set up (see 2.3 Stacking).

After you have finished setting-up, you can make naval moves out to sea with your naval units. Treat this as a naval action you conducted last turn, so the units must finish their move, then drop to a lower sea-box section as if they had stayed at sea last turn (see 13.4 Return to base). Neutral major powers can only make these moves with convoy (CoiF option 76: and tanker) points.

In 24.1.6 Setting up How do you handle the pre-war naval move for minor powers?

Do you use the aligning major powers activity limits?

How do you judge the amount of the minor powerd naval units can move to sea?

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Thank you for the clarification.

Minor power naval units can't do anything but set up in port at the start of any scenario:
24.2.1 Barbarossa ~ “One Kick...”: May/Jun 1941~Jan/Feb 1942
24.2.2 Guadalcanal ~ The tide turns: May/Jun 1942 ~ Jan/Feb 1943
24.3.1 Fascist Tide ~ The war in Europe: Sep/Oct 1939 ~ May/Jun 1945
24.3.2 Day of Infamy ~ The War in the Pacific: Nov/Dec 1941 ~ Jul/Aug 1945
24.4.1 Missed the Bus ~ The end of the beginning: Jul/Aug 1940 - Jul/Aug 1945
24.4.2 Lebensraum ~ Germany moves east: May/Jun 1941 ~ Jul/Aug 1945
24.4.3 Waking giant ~ The USA enters the war: Nov/Dec 1941 ~ Jul/Aug 1945
24.4.4 Brute force ~ The Allies hit back: May/Jun 1942~Jul/Aug 1945
24.4.5 Darkness before the dawn ~ The beginning of the end: Jul/Aug 1943 ~ Jul/Aug 1945
24.4.6 Decline and fall ~ The Allied ascendancy: May/Jun 1944 ~ Jul/Aug 1945
24.4.7 The Global war: Sep/Oct 1939 ~ Jul/Aug 1945

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Territorials are controlled by the major power that controls their home country or territory when they arrive as reinforcements, even if they were built by a different major power. You return on map territorials to the force pools when their home country or territory is conquered.

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SiF option 9: Up to 4 naval units can stack together in a minor port. Every 2 convoy points (or any spare point) is a naval unit.

19.4 Minor country units
Setting up
When a minor country aligns with you, set up its initial units immediately. You must set up in hexes controlled by that minor. At least half a minor country’s initial units must set up in its home country.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Can you set up the 2 heavy cruisers and 1CP (or tanker) in Denmark to achieve the minor country set up requirements?

This would leave 5CP (or tankers) for set up outside of Denmark.

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2.5 Control
Entities
There are 2 geographical entities in the game ~ home countries and territories. Home countries have capital cities, territories do not. A home country consists of every hex that a MAR could reach from the capital of that home country without crossing a red political boundary or entering a hex containing the name of another major power (e.g. all of mainland China including Japanese occupied China is part of the Chinese home nation, but Hainan and Formosa are not).

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13.6.5 Building units
Limitations
You may only build some Chinese and US units after you have chosen US entry options that let you build those units (see 13.3.2 US entry options, entry options 1 Chinese build aircraft and 28 Start strategic bomber production).

13.3.2 US entry options
1. Chinese build aircraft (Ja) (There is a 30% chance a USA (Ja) entry pool chit will be moved to the USA (Ja) tension pool)
You must choose this entry option before China can build any aircraft unit.

28. Start strategic bomber production (either) the USA plays this against either (Ge/It) entry pool and tension pool or (Ja) entry pool and tension pool
(There is a 50% chance that a USA entry pool chit will be moved to the USA tension pool)
The US can’t produce 4-turn LNDs until this entry option is chosen.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

I have two questions on China.

1) Just for clarification is China the home country to both the Nationalists Chinese and the Communists Chinese? Or do the Communists Chinese have to meet "Foreign troop commitments" in China.

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20. Chinese communists
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However, nationalist and communist Chinese units go into the same force pools. They are built by the nationalist player but he or she has no choice whether to produce nationalist or communist units.
Apart from the above (and the placement of reinforcements ~ see 4.2), Communist and Nationalist Chinese count as one major power for all purposes (e.g. they can't be conquered separately, declaring war on them is only one US entry effect, etc.)
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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

2) Does the USA player have to select US entry options "Chinese build aircraft" and "Start strategic bomber production" before they can build the LND4: TB-3 (1,1,2,5,11)

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1. Chinese build aircraft - You must choose this entry option before China can build any aircraft unit
28. Start strategic bomber production - The US can’t produce 4-turn LNDs until this entry option is chosen.

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13.6.5 Building units
Limitations
You may only build some Chinese and US units after you have chosen US entry options that let you build those units (see 13.3.2 US entry options, entry options 1 Chinese build aircraft and 28 Start strategic bomber production).

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Excellent I knew I was missing something on the Chinese home country.

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13.6.5 Building units
Limitations
You may only build some Chinese and US units after you have chosen US entry options that let you build those units (see 13.3.2 US entry options, entry options 1 Chinese build aircraft and 28 Start strategic bomber production).

So your saying that it should be read:

You may only build some units after you have chosen the US entry options that lets you build those units (for the Chinese: US entry option 1 Chinese build aircraft) (for the USA: US entry option 28 Start strategic bomber production).

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

So your saying that it should be read:

You may only build some units after you have chosen the US entry options that lets you build those units (for the Chinese: US entry option 1 Chinese build aircraft) (for the USA: US entry option 28 Start strategic bomber production).

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Note 1: #/# = Nationalist/Communist (Communists can only set up within 3 hexes of Si-An or Lan-Chow but not in Nationalist cities)

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Just to clarify some things.

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Note 1: #/# = Nationalist/Communist (Communists can only set up within 3 hexes of Si-An or Lan-Chow but not in Nationalist cities)

1) When playing the "24.4.7 The Global war: Sep/Oct 1939 ~ Jul/Aug 1945" does this rule apply?

2) "Set up within 3 hexes of Si-An or Lan-Chow but not in Nationalist cities" are these European or Asian scale hexes?

3) West of the scenario start line or anywhere in China "within 3 hexes of Si-An or Lan-Chow"?