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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/31/2013 6:29:52 PM

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Ground combat at Sarmi (91,114)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 15082 troops, 125 guns, 37 vehicles, Assault Value = 475

Defending force 12801 troops, 203 guns, 179 vehicles, Assault Value = 435

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
39th Ind Engr Rgt /1
15th Division
44th Nav Gd /1
17th Army
67th Field AA Battalion
65th Construction Battalion
65th JNAF AF Unit

Defending units:
33rd Infantry Division
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
2/593rd Boat&Shore Engineer Battalion
XI US Corps /11

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/31/2013 6:34:52 PM

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With a SL of 35K i have currently 22K men at Sarmi...while he has more or less 16,000... so he has room for not less than another full division...and another full division will easily crush my defences... what to do so? I could send there the 17th Division from Biak...but that would mean that once Sarmi falls, i'd have wasted 4 full divisions in eastern NG (the 1st Guards Div and 55th Div that lost Vanimo and Hollandia - where, however, their resistance isn't over - and the 17th and 15th at Sarmi)... and that's a LOT of destroyed units!

I've already lost the 21st div at Bouganville, the 56th at Kaimana, the 8th between Kain-Enlanden and Kaimana (with the C regiment stuck at Saumlaki).... not to talk about the 33rd Div completely destroyed at Akyab.... can i efford the loss of one more division for a place called Sarmi?

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/31/2013 7:02:00 PM

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With a SL of 35K i have currently 22K men at Sarmi...while he has more or less 16,000... so he has room for not less than another full division...and another full division will easily crush my defences...

I have found as an AFB, that temporarily overstacking only incurs a supply penalty and some disabled squads .. but the short term overwhelming AV/Firepower advantage is worth the few penalties incurred in the short term On the other hand .. the defense cannot sit there overstacked waiting for a possible attack for very long ... this gives the offense a tremendous initial advantage

I would also propose that oversstacking is absolutely required to take a similarly stacked defense in advantaged terrain. As an example, urban provides a X3 bonus that with forts can be 2.25 times [more if the defense is willing to pay additional supply costs to build 7-9 fort lvls] equal stacking is not going to overwhelm a supplied defensive position ...

Just a couple of thoughts ..

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/31/2013 7:57:41 PM

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I do not agree, respectfully.
I've found out that at the same level of overstacking the allied 1944 OOBs easily overcome an equale numbrr of japs squads. At Kaimana i had a reinforced division ( a div plus a regiment) pushed put by 2 depleted allied divisions.
At hollandia i lost the base with 4 forts and jungle against a reinforced marin division... And so on. It's firepower that matters and in 1944 a jap squad worths 1/4 of an allied squad... Not to talk about tanks...

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/31/2013 8:02:01 PM

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I wonder if when it looks like you are about to lose the unit it`s worth splitting it and have the possibility of buy back at Regt. size costs ?

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

With a SL of 35K i have currently 22K men at Sarmi...while he has more or less 16,000... so he has room for not less than another full division...and another full division will easily crush my defences... what to do so? I could send there the 17th Division from Biak...but that would mean that once Sarmi falls, i'd have wasted 4 full divisions in eastern NG (the 1st Guards Div and 55th Div that lost Vanimo and Hollandia - where, however, their resistance isn't over - and the 17th and 15th at Sarmi)... and that's a LOT of destroyed units!

I've already lost the 21st div at Bouganville, the 56th at Kaimana, the 8th between Kain-Enlanden and Kaimana (with the C regiment stuck at Saumlaki).... not to talk about the 33rd Div completely destroyed at Akyab.... can i efford the loss of one more division for a place called Sarmi?

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/31/2013 8:13:55 PM

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I do not agree, respectfully.
I've found out that at the same level of overstacking the allied 1944 OOBs easily overcome an equale numbrr of japs squads. At Kaimana i had a reinforced division ( a div plus a regiment) pushed put by 2 depleted allied divisions.
At hollandia i lost the base with 4 forts and jungle against a reinforced marin division... And so on. It's firepower that matters and in 1944 a jap squad worths 1/4 of an allied squad... Not to talk about tanks...

I did state similarly stacked defense

..not so much squads but equal units in AV, but you bring out a great point of firepower density as to AV, and the USMC is the most dense firepower to AV units the Allies have to offer...

Clearly early in the game similar number of squads of IJA roll over their equivalent in Chinese as an example ..

Great Points Greyjoy and certainly clarify the problem at hand ...

< Message edited by Crackaces -- 8/31/2013 8:14:27 PM >

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/2/2013 9:52:38 AM

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Still unsure what to do with Sarmi... I think I may try to send in some reinforcements. I have at hand a tank regiment, an heavy artillery battalion and a regiment of the 17th Div. Cannot strip anything more from my defences around Biak...I need 4/5 days to organize the whole operation.

Feb 4, 1944

In the meanwhile, the KB lingers near Kendari. A CVE TF is spotted again near Exmouth...pretty sure this is another bait and i'm not moving down all my reserves. Don't wanna be caught with my pants down when he'll come for Sumatra or the Adamans (another juicy target for him).
The Wake feint has now completely moved back towards PH. I'm glad I didn't send in the combined fleet up there... would have been a terrible waste of fuel and I would have left the DEI wide open to another thrust.

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/2/2013 10:05:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: Richard III

I wonder if when it looks like you are about to lose the unit it`s worth splitting it and have the possibility of buy back at Regt. size costs ?

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

With a SL of 35K i have currently 22K men at Sarmi...while he has more or less 16,000... so he has room for not less than another full division...and another full division will easily crush my defences... what to do so? I could send there the 17th Division from Biak...but that would mean that once Sarmi falls, i'd have wasted 4 full divisions in eastern NG (the 1st Guards Div and 55th Div that lost Vanimo and Hollandia - where, however, their resistance isn't over - and the 17th and 15th at Sarmi)... and that's a LOT of destroyed units!

I've already lost the 21st div at Bouganville, the 56th at Kaimana, the 8th between Kain-Enlanden and Kaimana (with the C regiment stuck at Saumlaki).... not to talk about the 33rd Div completely destroyed at Akyab.... can i efford the loss of one more division for a place called Sarmi?

Most of the time you won't have the chance to buy these out for some time. They will retreat and at best if you hold another base close by you can fly out the remains. At worst you have a unit starving for months and months. I have one regiment still sitting near Merauke after months of being out of supply, slowly withering while the soldiers eek out an existence eating mangoes and fighting malaria and dengue.

Even buying back smaller units can be expensive though, as well. It likely would not reduce the costs. The initial cost to buy the units back is cheap, and then you have to pay the price to change the HQ from General Defense. That is the big cost. Even shattered brigades have been up to 350 PPs right after being brought back! Not cheap.

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/2/2013 11:09:37 AM

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What does your instinct say about Sarmi? Always trust your gut!

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/2/2013 4:37:58 PM

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What does your instinct say about Sarmi? Always trust your gut!

Hard to say, really.

I do think that every chance of slowing down the allies and make them lose a couple of months is a godsend.
But the question is: does another lost division (cause we know their destiny would be to be overrun sooner or later) worth a couple of months (at best)?

Ok, for the moment i'll be patient. I'll move to Biak the needed amphib ships and the supporting ones....but i'll clearly need the KB to do that...and i'll expose my troops to the dreaded allied PT/DDs from Hollandia...

we'll see. i'll wait to push the button till the very last moment.

In the meanwhile I have to keep him honest at Misol and in the rest of the map...not an easy task.

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/2/2013 4:42:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: Richard III

I wonder if when it looks like you are about to lose the unit it`s worth splitting it and have the possibility of buy back at Regt. size costs ?

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

With a SL of 35K i have currently 22K men at Sarmi...while he has more or less 16,000... so he has room for not less than another full division...and another full division will easily crush my defences... what to do so? I could send there the 17th Division from Biak...but that would mean that once Sarmi falls, i'd have wasted 4 full divisions in eastern NG (the 1st Guards Div and 55th Div that lost Vanimo and Hollandia - where, however, their resistance isn't over - and the 17th and 15th at Sarmi)... and that's a LOT of destroyed units!

I've already lost the 21st div at Bouganville, the 56th at Kaimana, the 8th between Kain-Enlanden and Kaimana (with the C regiment stuck at Saumlaki).... not to talk about the 33rd Div completely destroyed at Akyab.... can i efford the loss of one more division for a place called Sarmi?

Most of the time you won't have the chance to buy these out for some time. They will retreat and at best if you hold another base close by you can fly out the remains. At worst you have a unit starving for months and months. I have one regiment still sitting near Merauke after months of being out of supply, slowly withering while the soldiers eek out an existence eating mangoes and fighting malaria and dengue.

Even buying back smaller units can be expensive though, as well. It likely would not reduce the costs. The initial cost to buy the units back is cheap, and then you have to pay the price to change the HQ from General Defense. That is the big cost. Even shattered brigades have been up to 350 PPs right after being brought back! Not cheap.

True! I've just made a HUGE mistake, buying back the 33rd ID to change it to an unrestricted HQ it costed me... 650 PPs!!!!!!...and she arrived with 3(three!!!) squads... 650 PPs?!?!?!?!
A huge mistake by my side...indeed. I should have left it where it was... with 650 PPs I could buy half a full Chinese division

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/2/2013 6:35:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: Richard III

I wonder if when it looks like you are about to lose the unit it`s worth splitting it and have the possibility of buy back at Regt. size costs ?

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

With a SL of 35K i have currently 22K men at Sarmi...while he has more or less 16,000... so he has room for not less than another full division...and another full division will easily crush my defences... what to do so? I could send there the 17th Division from Biak...but that would mean that once Sarmi falls, i'd have wasted 4 full divisions in eastern NG (the 1st Guards Div and 55th Div that lost Vanimo and Hollandia - where, however, their resistance isn't over - and the 17th and 15th at Sarmi)... and that's a LOT of destroyed units!

I've already lost the 21st div at Bouganville, the 56th at Kaimana, the 8th between Kain-Enlanden and Kaimana (with the C regiment stuck at Saumlaki).... not to talk about the 33rd Div completely destroyed at Akyab.... can i efford the loss of one more division for a place called Sarmi?

Most of the time you won't have the chance to buy these out for some time. They will retreat and at best if you hold another base close by you can fly out the remains. At worst you have a unit starving for months and months. I have one regiment still sitting near Merauke after months of being out of supply, slowly withering while the soldiers eek out an existence eating mangoes and fighting malaria and dengue.

Even buying back smaller units can be expensive though, as well. It likely would not reduce the costs. The initial cost to buy the units back is cheap, and then you have to pay the price to change the HQ from General Defense. That is the big cost. Even shattered brigades have been up to 350 PPs right after being brought back! Not cheap.

True! I've just made a HUGE mistake, buying back the 33rd ID to change it to an unrestricted HQ it costed me... 650 PPs!!!!!!...and she arrived with 3(three!!!) squads... 650 PPs?!?!?!?!
A huge mistake by my side...indeed. I should have left it where it was... with 650 PPs I could buy half a full Chinese division

How fast do IJ units take replacements? I do believe NY59Giants suggestion made to me a long time ago that replacements are taken per unit .. so dividing the division up into 3 units allows for faster replacements ..

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/2/2013 7:25:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: Richard III

I wonder if when it looks like you are about to lose the unit it`s worth splitting it and have the possibility of buy back at Regt. size costs ?

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

With a SL of 35K i have currently 22K men at Sarmi...while he has more or less 16,000... so he has room for not less than another full division...and another full division will easily crush my defences... what to do so? I could send there the 17th Division from Biak...but that would mean that once Sarmi falls, i'd have wasted 4 full divisions in eastern NG (the 1st Guards Div and 55th Div that lost Vanimo and Hollandia - where, however, their resistance isn't over - and the 17th and 15th at Sarmi)... and that's a LOT of destroyed units!

I've already lost the 21st div at Bouganville, the 56th at Kaimana, the 8th between Kain-Enlanden and Kaimana (with the C regiment stuck at Saumlaki).... not to talk about the 33rd Div completely destroyed at Akyab.... can i efford the loss of one more division for a place called Sarmi?

Most of the time you won't have the chance to buy these out for some time. They will retreat and at best if you hold another base close by you can fly out the remains. At worst you have a unit starving for months and months. I have one regiment still sitting near Merauke after months of being out of supply, slowly withering while the soldiers eek out an existence eating mangoes and fighting malaria and dengue.

Even buying back smaller units can be expensive though, as well. It likely would not reduce the costs. The initial cost to buy the units back is cheap, and then you have to pay the price to change the HQ from General Defense. That is the big cost. Even shattered brigades have been up to 350 PPs right after being brought back! Not cheap.

True! I've just made a HUGE mistake, buying back the 33rd ID to change it to an unrestricted HQ it costed me... 650 PPs!!!!!!...and she arrived with 3(three!!!) squads... 650 PPs?!?!?!?!
A huge mistake by my side...indeed. I should have left it where it was... with 650 PPs I could buy half a full Chinese division

How fast do IJ units take replacements? I do believe NY59Giants suggestion made to me a long time ago that replacements are taken per unit .. so dividing the division up into 3 units allows for faster replacements ..

If unit is divided to A/B/C sub units each sub units is taking replacements separately. So It should be 3x faster comparing to undivided unit

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/2/2013 7:39:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: Richard III

I wonder if when it looks like you are about to lose the unit it`s worth splitting it and have the possibility of buy back at Regt. size costs ?

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

With a SL of 35K i have currently 22K men at Sarmi...while he has more or less 16,000... so he has room for not less than another full division...and another full division will easily crush my defences... what to do so? I could send there the 17th Division from Biak...but that would mean that once Sarmi falls, i'd have wasted 4 full divisions in eastern NG (the 1st Guards Div and 55th Div that lost Vanimo and Hollandia - where, however, their resistance isn't over - and the 17th and 15th at Sarmi)... and that's a LOT of destroyed units!

I've already lost the 21st div at Bouganville, the 56th at Kaimana, the 8th between Kain-Enlanden and Kaimana (with the C regiment stuck at Saumlaki).... not to talk about the 33rd Div completely destroyed at Akyab.... can i efford the loss of one more division for a place called Sarmi?

Most of the time you won't have the chance to buy these out for some time. They will retreat and at best if you hold another base close by you can fly out the remains. At worst you have a unit starving for months and months. I have one regiment still sitting near Merauke after months of being out of supply, slowly withering while the soldiers eek out an existence eating mangoes and fighting malaria and dengue.

Even buying back smaller units can be expensive though, as well. It likely would not reduce the costs. The initial cost to buy the units back is cheap, and then you have to pay the price to change the HQ from General Defense. That is the big cost. Even shattered brigades have been up to 350 PPs right after being brought back! Not cheap.

True! I've just made a HUGE mistake, buying back the 33rd ID to change it to an unrestricted HQ it costed me... 650 PPs!!!!!!...and she arrived with 3(three!!!) squads... 650 PPs?!?!?!?!
A huge mistake by my side...indeed. I should have left it where it was... with 650 PPs I could buy half a full Chinese division

How fast do IJ units take replacements? I do believe NY59Giants suggestion made to me a long time ago that replacements are taken per unit .. so dividing the division up into 3 units allows for faster replacements ..

If unit is divided to A/B/C sub units each sub units is taking replacements separately. So It should be 3x faster comparing to undivided unit

and I thought 3 squads per day per unit so 9 squads per day? so jut over a month to replace the unit assuming 25K supplies and an admin rating over 50?

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/2/2013 7:45:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: Richard III

I wonder if when it looks like you are about to lose the unit it`s worth splitting it and have the possibility of buy back at Regt. size costs ?

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

With a SL of 35K i have currently 22K men at Sarmi...while he has more or less 16,000... so he has room for not less than another full division...and another full division will easily crush my defences... what to do so? I could send there the 17th Division from Biak...but that would mean that once Sarmi falls, i'd have wasted 4 full divisions in eastern NG (the 1st Guards Div and 55th Div that lost Vanimo and Hollandia - where, however, their resistance isn't over - and the 17th and 15th at Sarmi)... and that's a LOT of destroyed units!

I've already lost the 21st div at Bouganville, the 56th at Kaimana, the 8th between Kain-Enlanden and Kaimana (with the C regiment stuck at Saumlaki).... not to talk about the 33rd Div completely destroyed at Akyab.... can i efford the loss of one more division for a place called Sarmi?

Most of the time you won't have the chance to buy these out for some time. They will retreat and at best if you hold another base close by you can fly out the remains. At worst you have a unit starving for months and months. I have one regiment still sitting near Merauke after months of being out of supply, slowly withering while the soldiers eek out an existence eating mangoes and fighting malaria and dengue.

Even buying back smaller units can be expensive though, as well. It likely would not reduce the costs. The initial cost to buy the units back is cheap, and then you have to pay the price to change the HQ from General Defense. That is the big cost. Even shattered brigades have been up to 350 PPs right after being brought back! Not cheap.

True! I've just made a HUGE mistake, buying back the 33rd ID to change it to an unrestricted HQ it costed me... 650 PPs!!!!!!...and she arrived with 3(three!!!) squads... 650 PPs?!?!?!?!
A huge mistake by my side...indeed. I should have left it where it was... with 650 PPs I could buy half a full Chinese division

How fast do IJ units take replacements? I do believe NY59Giants suggestion made to me a long time ago that replacements are taken per unit .. so dividing the division up into 3 units allows for faster replacements ..

If unit is divided to A/B/C sub units each sub units is taking replacements separately. So It should be 3x faster comparing to undivided unit

and I thought 3 squads per day per unit so 9 squads per day? so jut over a month to replace the unit assuming 25K supplies and an admin rating over 50?

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/3/2013 7:11:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: koniu

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: Richard III

I wonder if when it looks like you are about to lose the unit it`s worth splitting it and have the possibility of buy back at Regt. size costs ?

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

With a SL of 35K i have currently 22K men at Sarmi...while he has more or less 16,000... so he has room for not less than another full division...and another full division will easily crush my defences... what to do so? I could send there the 17th Division from Biak...but that would mean that once Sarmi falls, i'd have wasted 4 full divisions in eastern NG (the 1st Guards Div and 55th Div that lost Vanimo and Hollandia - where, however, their resistance isn't over - and the 17th and 15th at Sarmi)... and that's a LOT of destroyed units!

I've already lost the 21st div at Bouganville, the 56th at Kaimana, the 8th between Kain-Enlanden and Kaimana (with the C regiment stuck at Saumlaki).... not to talk about the 33rd Div completely destroyed at Akyab.... can i efford the loss of one more division for a place called Sarmi?

Most of the time you won't have the chance to buy these out for some time. They will retreat and at best if you hold another base close by you can fly out the remains. At worst you have a unit starving for months and months. I have one regiment still sitting near Merauke after months of being out of supply, slowly withering while the soldiers eek out an existence eating mangoes and fighting malaria and dengue.

Even buying back smaller units can be expensive though, as well. It likely would not reduce the costs. The initial cost to buy the units back is cheap, and then you have to pay the price to change the HQ from General Defense. That is the big cost. Even shattered brigades have been up to 350 PPs right after being brought back! Not cheap.

True! I've just made a HUGE mistake, buying back the 33rd ID to change it to an unrestricted HQ it costed me... 650 PPs!!!!!!...and she arrived with 3(three!!!) squads... 650 PPs?!?!?!?!
A huge mistake by my side...indeed. I should have left it where it was... with 650 PPs I could buy half a full Chinese division

How fast do IJ units take replacements? I do believe NY59Giants suggestion made to me a long time ago that replacements are taken per unit .. so dividing the division up into 3 units allows for faster replacements ..

If unit is divided to A/B/C sub units each sub units is taking replacements separately. So It should be 3x faster comparing to undivided unit

and I thought 3 squads per day per unit so 9 squads per day? so jut over a month to replace the unit assuming 25K supplies and an admin rating over 50?

When i lost 90% of ID in late `42. Remnants return to Japan. Two months later ID was rebuild and trained to national max. That was fast

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/3/2013 10:33:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: Richard III

I wonder if when it looks like you are about to lose the unit it`s worth splitting it and have the possibility of buy back at Regt. size costs ?

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

With a SL of 35K i have currently 22K men at Sarmi...while he has more or less 16,000... so he has room for not less than another full division...and another full division will easily crush my defences... what to do so? I could send there the 17th Division from Biak...but that would mean that once Sarmi falls, i'd have wasted 4 full divisions in eastern NG (the 1st Guards Div and 55th Div that lost Vanimo and Hollandia - where, however, their resistance isn't over - and the 17th and 15th at Sarmi)... and that's a LOT of destroyed units!

I've already lost the 21st div at Bouganville, the 56th at Kaimana, the 8th between Kain-Enlanden and Kaimana (with the C regiment stuck at Saumlaki).... not to talk about the 33rd Div completely destroyed at Akyab.... can i efford the loss of one more division for a place called Sarmi?

Most of the time you won't have the chance to buy these out for some time. They will retreat and at best if you hold another base close by you can fly out the remains. At worst you have a unit starving for months and months. I have one regiment still sitting near Merauke after months of being out of supply, slowly withering while the soldiers eek out an existence eating mangoes and fighting malaria and dengue.

Even buying back smaller units can be expensive though, as well. It likely would not reduce the costs. The initial cost to buy the units back is cheap, and then you have to pay the price to change the HQ from General Defense. That is the big cost. Even shattered brigades have been up to 350 PPs right after being brought back! Not cheap.

True! I've just made a HUGE mistake, buying back the 33rd ID to change it to an unrestricted HQ it costed me... 650 PPs!!!!!!...and she arrived with 3(three!!!) squads... 650 PPs?!?!?!?!
A huge mistake by my side...indeed. I should have left it where it was... with 650 PPs I could buy half a full Chinese division

How fast do IJ units take replacements? I do believe NY59Giants suggestion made to me a long time ago that replacements are taken per unit .. so dividing the division up into 3 units allows for faster replacements ..

If unit is divided to A/B/C sub units each sub units is taking replacements separately. So It should be 3x faster comparing to undivided unit

and I thought 3 squads per day per unit so 9 squads per day? so jut over a month to replace the unit assuming 25K supplies and an admin rating over 50?

Aren't the replacements taken on a weekly basis instead of a daily one? I have already re-built a division from scratch and it took me nearly 6 months to get it back at 100/100, even dividing it into 3 rgts... strange!

However the point isn't the time needed. The point is the PPs and HIs spent to do it.

If you consider that to buy a destroyed division and to change it to an unrestricted command HQ costs 650 PPs... then you need...how many ARM and VEH points to rebuilt it?...Am not that good at math, but I know the cost is high and you have so many other units coming online to be fed with those pools (ARM and VEH) that the cost might simply be too high, also considering you are getting a brand new rebuilt division with low morale and low experience...

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/3/2013 10:36:22 AM

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Silly question but can't you keep fragments of some units to rebuild or has that been changed ?

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/3/2013 10:45:47 AM

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Silly question but can't you keep fragments of some units to rebuild or has that been changed ?

Sure you can, but i'm not doing that...finding a bit "gamey".

My rule of thumb is the following: when a unit has some chance of being "saved" using conventional methods (evacuating by sea or by air), and when I manage to extract at least 1/3 of it, then I keep the fragment and rebuild the LCU from that fragment. When I know that a unit cannot be saved (for tactical or strategical reasons - maybe you need it to die there thus buying time for other units to get saved-) I avoid extracting a single fragment and leave it there to die and, eventually, i'll buy it back.

It's not an HR...it's just my personal way of "role" playing a bit...

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/3/2013 10:51:07 AM

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That is very civil of you !

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/3/2013 5:17:33 PM

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Aren't the replacements taken on a weekly basis instead of a daily one? I have already re-built a division from scratch and it took me nearly 6 months to get it back at 100/100, even dividing it into 3 rgts... strange!

However the point isn't the time needed. The point is the PPs and HIs spent to do it.

If you consider that to buy a destroyed division and to change it to an unrestricted command HQ costs 650 PPs... then you need...how many ARM and VEH points to rebuilt it?...Am not that good at math, but I know the cost is high and you have so many other units coming online to be fed with those pools (ARM and VEH) that the cost might simply be too high, also considering you are getting a brand new rebuilt division with low morale and low experience...

If the unit is in a hex with an HQ (and I think it can be any, not just command) it will take replacements daily instead of every three days.

Anyway it works in the HI where I've been rebuilding things, and they get up to speed a lot faster than if I shipped them out immediately somewhere else and waited for it to happen there. I've had it work this way in Burma too though.

The cost is high, but it's a division!

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/4/2013 8:30:56 AM

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Feb 5, 1944

Brad is driving me crazy...

Another massive landing on the other side of the map.

Ramree island is invested. A full indian division, supported by a motorized brigade, landed at Ramree Island. LSIs and LSTs, supported by a RN cruiser force.
The invaders met 3 rather weak infantry regiments and a mortar battalion.
I forgot to give escort to 2 Judy sentais... they took off from Rangoon and got slaughtered by his LRCAP from Akyab. 40 of them got shot down with only a few passing through and making the attack, placing only a single 500kg bomb on a British CL...
We got a little revenge in central Burma, where we ambushed 80 Vengeances attacking the 48th/C Div moving in the jungle east of Akyab...downing 70 of them for no loss

. The Burma air Army continues with its incredible score!

At Sarmi the landings continue unmolested. I'm holding my counter move here, waiting for his CVs to pop up.

So now we have American CVEs near Hollandia, more near Port Hedland (with some APAs spotted there), a cruiser force in the Bay of Bengal (approx. 14 hexes NW of Port Blair), not to consider the fake invasion of Wake Island and the series of decoy TFs in the I.O. west of Sumatra...

He's clearly trying to attack on multiple vector, in order to puzzle my defences and unbalance me.

Here now I need discipline. I cannot go and defend everywhere, nor I can react to every attempt of his to drive away my attention, my focus.

My bet: his CVs may be in two places basically: hidden in the Coral Sea, behind New Britain, waiting for a penetration towards Woleai (CENTPAC), or in the I.O., in order to jump on Sumatra as soon as I eat one of his other baits.

Also they could be near Cylon...waiting for an operation against the Adamans...

Sarmi is important, but not decisive.
Ramree is important. But he has already landed there. I have a plan to defend my western Burmese flank.
The Mariannas are covered.
The Kuriles are impracticable (blizzard time).
Sumatra, the Adamans and Timor are the priorities. Discipline Greyjoy. Stay focused and don't go hunting lullabies and ghosts .

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/4/2013 10:07:04 AM

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This is the very difficult moment when the Jap player still has fairly strong capabilities, ie KB + an LBA that still packs a punch with quality pilots, but they are a one shot thing. on the other hand the allies have overwhelming superiority but are still vulnerable to this one shot, and there for try to drive you crazy, force you to disperse and punch shadows while they keep up their timetable....

On the one hand by keeping your cards close to your chest and not reacting much to his operations you let him advance, but on the other hand if you reacted then he could strike hard somewhere else..

And most important, all he needs is to blunt your spear once, and than he can advance head on, without much subtelty... Doesn't need to sink the whole KB, but sink a few CVs, damage a few other and most importantly savage for good your CV air arm, and adios feints and counterfeints, he can charge head on.

That in february 44 you are still in this situation although by early 43 he already was starting to attack the DEI is a testament to your defense. Keep hanging on ! BANZAI

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/4/2013 10:24:19 AM

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This is the very difficult moment when the Jap player still has fairly strong capabilities, ie KB + an LBA that still packs a punch with quality pilots, but they are a one shot thing. on the other hand the allies have overwhelming superiority but are still vulnerable to this one shot, and there for try to drive you crazy, force you to disperse and punch shadows while they keep up their timetable....

On the one hand by keeping your cards close to your chest and not reacting much to his operations you let him advance, but on the other hand if you reacted then he could strike hard somewhere else..

And most important, all he needs is to blunt your spear once, and than he can advance head on, without much subtelty... Doesn't need to sink the whole KB, but sink a few CVs, damage a few other and most importantly savage for good your CV air arm, and adios feints and counterfeints, he can charge head on.

That in february 44 you are still in this situation although by early 43 he already was starting to attack the DEI is a testament to your defense. Keep hanging on ! BANZAI

Very true Veji. It's a stressful moment. I cannot risk to distrupt my "spear" against a feint or a minor vector. I have to give priorities. I'd like to defend anywhere, obviously, but it's simply not possible. I need to understand that not every base or part of the map has the same importance. Sarmi? Is Sarmi that important? Is Ramree Island that important?... hard to say. Strategically they are critical places, cause once fallen, they open the doors to Burma and to upper NG... but if he lands clear in Java/Sumatra it's a check and mate. And I cannot let it happen.
It's also true that he could "use" this dilemma I have and, as u say, simply keep on feinting and advancing with low risk operations...

food for thoughts for sure...

Here's a map that should explain better than 100k words the problem i'm now facing

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/4/2013 10:30:54 AM

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Rebuilding a division - You are doing things partially right.

If within range of a Command HQ, an LCU will take replace squads/devices daily (of course have adequate supply and support squads over the minimum help). If within range of just an Army or Corp HQ, it will take replaces once every three days. Once I divide a division into three, I change leaders so I don't have one with lots of skills in the 40s. A really poor leader will slow down the rebuilding process.

Rear Area Units Refitting
Units can be moved to a rear area to reconstitute (ideally out of a malaria or cold zone or in a base large enough to negate the effects). If the units are in the rear area to restore disabled elements, reduce fatigue, and replace lost elements, assign unit leaders using the following order of priorities:
� Administration � Influences ability to use Supply to reduce Disruption and Fatigue.
� Inspiration � Influences fatigue reduction, morale reduction due to fatigue, disabled elements destroyed due to fatigue, and assault value for attack and defense.
� Leadership � Influences experience gain (this is unimportant if the unit has already reached the maximum training experience).
� Of small import, Land Skill � Influences attacking & defending LCU assault value, firing accuracy and experience gain.
� No other skills or qualities have any influence

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/4/2013 10:37:10 AM

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That in february 44 you are still in this situation although by early 43 he already was starting to attack the DEI is a testament to your defense. Keep hanging on ! BANZAI

Yes, we paid an heavy price in order to slow him down in the southern DEI. My pools, despite still decent, will never be what they used to be at the beginning of 1943. The IJNAF lost pretty much all its experienced bombing pilots. We have decent ones now, but nothing compared to what used to be.
After all I have some regrets. I have met the allied CVs 4 times now, and I never managed to inflict a decisive defeat to them. It's always been a minor victory...nothing really decisive.
In Jan 1943 we've encountered the enemies near Townville and we, despite a complete superiority, sunk only 1 BB and 1 CV (even if damaging 3 more CVs).
Then we had the clash near Ocean Island...where 3 enemy's CVEs were lost but at the cost of 400 ija pilots...
Then near Hansa Bay...again many damaged CVs but not a single one sunk (Yorktown, who had been reported sunk in that battle, was recently confirmed alive by jap intel

).
We had that disastrous operation against his CVs parked at Darwin, where we lost 500 more pilots...
Then at Kaimana... finally we sunk 3 CVs and damaged the Wasp for the 3rd time... but, yet again, the allies maintain a huge superiority now in 1944, even if we never lost a CV...

Not to talk about the surface fleet. 2 BBs 10 CLs and countless number of DDs lost in the southern DEI during the series of battles that raged in 1943 during his advance from Darwin to Saumlaki and the northern coast of NG...

Really an heavy price...but was necessary. The oil kept on flowing till feb 1944...and that is the main goal... everything else is irrilevant

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/4/2013 10:38:41 AM

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Rebuilding a division - You are doing things partially right. If within range of a Command HQ, an LCU will take replace squads/devices daily (of course have adequate supply and support squads over the minimum help). If within range of just an Army or Corp HQ, it will take replaces once every three days. Once I divide a division into three, I change leaders so I don't have one with lots of skills in the 40s. A really poor leader will slow down the rebuilding process.

Rear Area Units Refitting
Units can be moved to a rear area to reconstitute (ideally out of a malaria or cold zone or in a base large enough to negate the effects). If the units are in the rear area to restore disabled elements, reduce fatigue, and replace lost elements, assign unit leaders using the following order of priorities:
� Administration � Influences ability to use Supply to reduce Disruption and Fatigue.
� Inspiration � Influences fatigue reduction, morale reduction due to fatigue, disabled elements destroyed due to fatigue, and assault value for attack and defense.
� Leadership � Influences experience gain (this is unimportant if the unit has already reached the maximum training experience).
� Of small import, Land Skill � Influences attacking & defending LCU assault value, firing accuracy and experience gain.
� No other skills or qualities have any influence

Thanks Micheal! I completely forgot the HQ bonuses connected to the rebuilding... i'll try to do that!

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/4/2013 10:41:06 AM

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/4/2013 6:17:50 PM

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It's a stressful moment. I cannot risk to distrupt my "spear" against a feint or a minor vector.

Through the sacrifice of your digital kamikazes, you've been given a supreme weapon. As it was IRL, the kamikaze gave the USN pause and forced a reaction to their implementation. All this without a credible threat from KB at this late juncture of the war. Imagine how effective swarms of kamikazes PLUS KB acting together simultaneously could be against the Allied fleet?

My point? Expand your horizons. Embrace this other "new" weapon system you've been given. It-at least for the time being-can help even the odds against the Allied threat. You've more than one 'spear' in your arsenal. Denying the development and deployment of the Special Air Units is denying yourself flexibility and opportunity.

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 9/4/2013 10:20:41 PM

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Concerning your question on the front page.

I am disturbed about the 9000 ft hard code. That would negate RL kami tactics and more advanced Nemo kami tactics of multiple groups on multiple altitudes to wear out and slip past CAP.

However, in appropriate numbers they are still useful to you. You can combine kamis and regular attacks at different altitudes, each helping the other past CAP. Also, kamis can help you empty the untrained pilot pools to reduce the HI tax.

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