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Air transport capacity - 9/1/2013 6:12:16 AM   
Yaab


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Status: offline 		As far as I understand air transport of supplies, 2000 capacity equals 1 supply point transported. Does that mean the following data is correct?

1 - 2000 capacity = 1 supply point
2001 - 4000 capacity = 2 supply points
4001 - 6000 capacity = 3 supply points
etc.

Now, I have no problems with aircraft of 1-2000 capacity - they carry 1 point. My question is: if the plane has i.e 2001, 2010 or 2100 capacity, is it transporting 2 points of supply or do I have to have 4000 capacity to carry 2 points? Where does the treshold start?

Thanks.



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RE: Air transport capacity - 9/1/2013 12:33:08 PM   
Icedawg


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Status: offline 		I thought it was multiples of 4000, not 2000. All fractions rounding down.

0-7999 capacity = 1 supply point
8000-11999 capacity = 2 supply points
12000-15999 capacity = 3 supply points
etc

I hope you are wrong about the 2000 value. If you are right, I have completely planned my transport plane production with a faulty assumption.

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RE: Air transport capacity - 9/1/2013 1:37:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's 2000 = 1 point.

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RE: Air transport capacity - 9/1/2013 4:20:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		As Sardaukar says, it is 2000/point. But I cannot tell you if it rounds up or down or if all the planes in the flight pool their capacity for total load.

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RE: Air transport capacity - 9/1/2013 5:32:24 PM   
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Does it matter whether the ground unit being transported by air is in combat or strategic move mode?

Nice summary of other important aspects of air transport by michaelm: 

Air transport is handled fairly simplistically compared to ship transport.
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Moving troops from base to base:
a) Can't move a non-squad or non-engineer device with a load cost >9

Air dropping troops:
a) Can't air drop a non-squad device with a load cost >7 or if none are ready

Common for ready devices:
b) Aviation support - 2 devices moved plus 2 more if a/c max load is 7500 or more
c) Squad or Engineer device type - 1 device moved plus one more if a/c max load is 7500 or more

Common for disabled devices:
d) Aviation support - 2 devices moved
e) Squad or Engineer device type - 1 device moved plus one more if a/c max load is 7500 or more

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Moving supply:
Supply amount is a/c max load divided by 2000 with a minimum of 1. This is removed from the source and added to the destination unless air-dropped where a random value is added to the destination.

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RE: Air transport capacity - 9/1/2013 5:52:29 PM   
Yaab


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Status: offline 		So:

1-2000 capacity = 1 supply point

In order to carry 2 supply points, a plane has to have a minimum capacity of 4000 (4000/2000=2) thus planes with 1-3999 capacity will carry only 1 point of supply.

Is the above formula correct?

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RE: Air transport capacity - 9/1/2013 6:17:26 PM   
Knyvet


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Status: offline 		yes, that is how I interpret it (i.e., increments of 2000 per plane are required - anything additional between increments does not matter):

a/c max load
1-3999 = 1 supply point
4000-5999 = 2 supply points
6000-7999 = 3 supply points
etc.

Examples
The Jap Army MC-21 Sally transport has 3,000 max load and can transport 1 supply point (12 MC-21s can transport 12 supply points).
The Jap Army Ki-57-I Topsy transport has 2,300 max load and can transport 1 supply point (12 Ki-57-Is can transport 12 supply points).
The Jap Navy H8K2-L Emily float transport has 12,400 max load and can transport 6 supply points (12 H8K2-Ls can transport 72 supply points).


H8K2-L Seikû ("Clear Sky") (Kawanishi H8K Type 2 Large Flying Boat)- Largest WWII aircraft produced by Japan in any quantity (36 built)
Transport version of H8K2. Initially named Type 2 Transport Flying Boat, Model 32. Up to 64 passengers.
To increase the available space within the aircraft, its hull tanks were removed, thus reducing its range.

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RE: Air transport capacity - 9/1/2013 7:54:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Quick question: What about the air transports will a lift capability less than 2000? I recall using them to transport supply, albeit a small amount, but if the rounding down rule is applied above they shouldn't transport anything.

Regards,
Feltan

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RE: Air transport capacity - 9/1/2013 10:09:51 PM   
Knyvet


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Status: offline 		It is a division with a min and not a rounding rule. Think of it as increments of 2,000 capacity and a minimum of 1 regardless of size. If you use rounding, it gets confusing about when you should round up or down.

Generally speaking, computers use division without remainders unless you take the extra step of executing a modulo function (aka modulus or MOD). Unless don, Michael, or someone else in the know about the code (or the manual) says otherwise, I tend to ignore rounding when doing WITP AE math. E.g., asw for a plane with a range of 9 is 4 hexes, not 10 - the program likely ignores the division's remainder when dividing by 2 to figure out asw range (i.e., it is not calculated and then "rounded down").



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RE: Air transport capacity - 9/2/2013 12:08:35 AM   
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RE: Air transport capacity - 9/2/2013 1:08:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thus, the smallest AKL can drop more cargo in one single pass that many days of air supply

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RE: Air transport capacity - 9/2/2013 2:50:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good to know about the rule "rounding down". But I am interested in knowing if a plane has less than 2000 carry capability, will it still carry one supply point?

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RE: Air transport capacity - 9/2/2013 4:12:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dr.hal

Good to know about the rule "rounding down". But I am interested in knowing if a plane has less than 2000 carry capability, will it still carry one supply point?


Yes.

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Moving supply:
Supply amount is a/c max load divided by 2000 with a minimum of 1.

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RE: Air transport capacity - 9/4/2013 6:29:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar


quote:

ORIGINAL: dr.hal

Good to know about the rule "rounding down". But I am interested in knowing if a plane has less than 2000 carry capability, will it still carry one supply point?


Yes.

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Moving supply:
Supply amount is a/c max load divided by 2000 with a minimum of 1.

Thanks Sardaukar, it's nice to know that the Dragon (max load of 520) is useful for SOMETHING!

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RE: Air transport capacity - 4/13/2014 9:08:19 PM   
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RE: Air transport capacity - 4/13/2014 10:24:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dili

So it is impossible to have a functional Me-323 in game to transport heavy devices.

Yeah, i allwas dreamd that if you put in game some fantasy vig carg capable transport so you can trasport lighttanks/radars via planes.

well mayby in witp 2 with requrements like cpacity over 15 000 to lift devices with size up to 15 (just quesing corect nubers) and most imoratny it have to checked -loading ramp - same check like ve have now for e.q. cv capable planes.

And it will be extremly nice if it can be done with curent game,

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