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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 8/31/2013 4:26:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		It occurs to me one could also do a lot of damage from a level 9 base at Taihoku on Formosa.

Kaelung Fortress has 4 very nasty 28 cm guns.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 8/31/2013 4:43:48 PM   
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It would be like the Rangers landing at Amalfi.




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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 8/31/2013 5:06:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think The clear terrain makes Taihoku a juicy target .. Bombardment ..air launched ground attacks are particularly effective in clear terrain. No Urban quagmire to worry about.. I do not think Formosa's industry can sustain itself ? Depending on what Beta version you are playing LI either continues or shuts off when occupied.

Edit: all the bases are in clear terrain! (exception one mtn hex as pointed out by the Cap)

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 8/31/2013 5:13:34 PM   
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HI, airprane factories, oil production

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 8/31/2013 5:25:54 PM   
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Any Arried prayer who lands at Shanghai or Hangchow or Tsingtao or Korea better bring 5 or 6 divisions because the Kool-aide drinkers in China will just hop on a train.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 8/31/2013 5:40:19 PM   
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With the exception of mainland China, Korea and Sakhalin Is., Taihoku is the nearest base to the Home Isrands buildable to level 9.

Any Arried prayer who lands at Shanghai or Hangchow or Tsingtao or Korea better bring 5 or 6 divisions because the Kool-aide drinkers in China will just hop on a train.


Much easier to isolate as you astutely point out Although depending on deployment it might take 5 or 6 divisions to root out the IJ here ... I wonder if the IJ have been busy building fortifications here?

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 8/31/2013 6:43:58 PM   
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Kaelung Fortress has 4 very nasty 28 cm guns.

Watch for this on Formosa too. This qualifies as something that would happen on Horrycrappo-jima too.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=870_1377954297

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/1/2013 1:00:22 AM   
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Kaelung Fortress has 4 very nasty 28 cm guns.

Watch for this on Formosa too. This qualifies as something that would happen on Horrycrappo-jima too.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=870_1377954297

Turns out that a lot of 'smaller stuff' hit the car from the front - see the picture:
http://www.appledaily.com.tw/appledaily/article/headline/20130901/35263341/%E9%9A%AA5%E5%99%B8%E5%B7%A8%E7%9F%B3%E5%BE%9E%E5%A4%A9%E9%99%8D#

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/1/2013 4:46:59 PM   
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Kaelung Fortress has 4 very nasty 28 cm guns


Just for the readers of this esteemed AAR ..

I think three things have changed over the past two years in this game that make the major forts like Kaelung Fortress and the Truk Fortress particularly powerful.

1. Changes in Flak Effectiveness
2. Adjustments in Bombing Cohesion
3. Adjustments in damage resolution?

Prior to the latest stream of Beta changes an attack for example from Kussie Island and Ponape on Truk could devastate the Truk fortress. Now such an endeavor will cost 4E's from flak -- those 88L71's are extremely effective now(if not losses from CAP); the air groups are far more likely to arrive in strings decreasing bombing effectiveness and I think increasing the opportunity for flak and CAP losses, and it seems to me that overall damage is reduced in these Beta's besides the effects of getting pounded more by flak and disorganized cohesion.

Thus I propose strikes on the real fortresses like Kaelung requires a land route clearly ... and Truk requires reducing supply to zero to minimize the effects of the guns.

Now back to discussing a land slide in Asia

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/1/2013 5:27:15 PM   
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Now back to discussing a land slide in Asia



Interesting discussion on air to ground efficacy vs fortresses. We have also demonstrated that an accidental Eben-Emael type raid with 130 Aussie paratroops doesn't work very well either.


As for the video, that is actually historic footage of the sabotage attack of the remaining 30 commandos of 503rd PIR on the 213th Yokohama Camry Bn on Formosa, May, 1943(c).

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/1/2013 6:01:31 PM   
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Interesting discussion on air to ground efficacy vs fortresses...


In my first PBEM game my 8 groups of 4E's first at night reduced the airfield to 100% damaged ..mayne zeros damaged and destroyed .. then during the day at 12,000 feet reduced the Truk fortress to zero .. all the guns destroyed or disabled ...

In my second PBEM game I tried my little night raid at 12,000 feet over Truk.. the flak took 4 aircraft and damaged 4 ..from the first group with results very similar to the rest of the groups .. as small groups flew into flak over the atoll .. not much damage .. I did not repeat this affair but avoided Truk completely while isolating the atoll with submarines ..

Formosa offers some clear terrain bases to land and then pulling off the same maneuver as the IJ did on Singapore .. seize the forts overland ...

I am still wondering from any of the JFB's if Formosa can sustain itself in terms of supply? Or can this island be isolated? (Well assuming blitzkrieg, rather than the Allies bombing all LI on the island ...)

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/1/2013 7:34:46 PM   
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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/1/2013 7:47:24 PM   
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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/1/2013 7:49:35 PM   
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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/1/2013 8:38:05 PM   
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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/1/2013 8:39:56 PM   
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For a good chuckle Google "Fortres at Taihoku Formosa"



SWEEEET LMAO

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/1/2013 9:39:30 PM   
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Recommend Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption by Laura Hillenbrand. If you are an Audible subscriber their unabridged version is read by Edward Herrmann.


Yes. Quite a good tale. My daughter bought it for me for my b'day. Not done yet. Dont tell me how it ends.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/1/2013 10:03:52 PM   
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Recommend Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption by Laura Hillenbrand. If you are an Audible subscriber their unabridged version is read by Edward Herrmann.


Yes. Quite a good tale. My daughter bought it for me for my b'day. Not done yet. Dont tell me how it ends.


I will say that it does not end the way one might think.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/1/2013 10:10:57 PM   
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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/1/2013 10:36:17 PM   
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When I googled it it led back here!



Wierd, eh? Let's hope some 5th grader isn't doing a presentation on "WWII fortifications in Formosa" and uses the World's Worst AAR for source material.




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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/1/2013 10:41:29 PM   
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Stereo typical obese American boy with bowl haircut and gangsta shorts: "... and then the Marines landed at Horycrappojima and were met by a man in fine linen pants named Milo....."

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/1/2013 10:53:06 PM   
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can't imagine the look on the teachers face.

Stereo typical obese American boy with bowl haircut and gangsta shorts: "... and then the Marines landed at Horycrappojima and were met by a man in fine linen pants named Milo....."


Hory crap! That-ah rearry funny!

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/2/2013 12:49:20 AM   
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The mom of the little girls who came over to our house (only to have the older one break her arm in about 10 minutes) passed away.

I went to the non-religious "celebration of life" yesterday. There was a bounce house and a mariachi band and zero alcohol....which was probably a good idea. I met the dad of one of the girls who is going to raise them both now. Nice guy but he reminded me of the school bus driver from the Simpsons. He had on his Sunday best gauger earrings.

He asked Stalker Girl for $1000 dollars after she already paid for the taco lady to make tacos and for the mariachis. Wisely, she said she was tapped out.

The two girls were happy at the party. They have only known their mother when she was already ill. They might have been relieved.

I was relieved we didn't have to do CPR on the mariachis. Two of them were at least 75 and they had those hot mariachi get-ups on....and it was 95 with 60% humidity. They did Jose Feliciano's Feliz Navidad in July in 95 degree weather because they ran out of material, I guess. It was hilariously inappropriate. They were really good at the Spanish lyrics and really, really bad at the Engrish part.

"We want to weesh ju a merree Chreestmaaas..."

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/2/2013 1:13:36 AM   
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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/2/2013 2:58:34 PM   
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I also learned about peanut smuggling.


Don't look up budgie smugglers

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/2/2013 3:36:43 PM   
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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/2/2013 3:41:30 PM   
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I also learned about peanut smuggling.


Don't look up budgie smugglers



You Commonwealth lot just love making up funny names for everything. "Budgie smuggler" is funny even before you find out what a "budgie" is...which I also had to look up.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/2/2013 3:43:18 PM   
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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/2/2013 8:35:45 PM   
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Except the srmoured units who are off to Mykitla and Toungoo.




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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/2/2013 8:39:02 PM   
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