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ORIGINAL: brian brian

In the long run, I predict little demand for a pure PBEM. I mean unless you like wargaming in real time on the calendar. The each-side decision points are just so, so much more numerous compared to say an Avalon Hill classic. And if PBEM isn't in the initial release, the new players of the game will learn this quickly. Connectivity of all sorts is so simple, fast, 24/7, and easy these days that I have to wonder who would sit through endless emails of "4 Cruisers enter the North Sea - do you intercept?" followed by "4 Cruisers enter the Faeroes Gap - do you intercept?" or even advance declaring those decisions. Imagine pre-designating FTR intercept hexes across the entire global map for the USA during an Axis impulse in 1944 (for maybe a half-dozen points in the Axis impulse where Allied FTRs might have to fly). Much easier to play against people on roughly the same schedule of occasional free time via connected machines with side-channel Skype, IM chat, cell texts, or what have you. Email could be used to catch up the game on each player's machine when lots of offline decisions can be made, such as placing reinforcements (technically subject to the sequence of play, which is easily forgotten) moving land units, production, etc.

But a pure, all decisions by email game of World in Flames just doesn't seem too desirable to me, unless there is some sort of 'override' to allow the other player to tell your units to do something, in a gentlemen's game as it is played sometimes with Cyberboard currently.

The AI questions have been sorted out here on a more than annual basis. A lot of new people will be stopping by and just now be learning the answers. Some sort of short version of it all should be easily accessible somewhere.

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Despite being announced by Matrix as a project supported with professional resources, it's been clear for the better part of a decade that development was in fact a hobbyist effort. Is it really surprising, at this late date, that the marketing/sales/distribution are likewise amateur hour?

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Despite being announced by Matrix as a project supported with professional resources, it's been clear for the better part of a decade that development was in fact a hobbyist effort. Is it really surprising, at this late date, that the marketing/sales/distribution are likewise amateur hour?

warspite1

Oh goody....I wondered when this moron would make his ridiculous presence felt...

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ORIGINAL: mjk428

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Despite being announced by Matrix as a project supported with professional resources, it's been clear for the better part of a decade that development was in fact a hobbyist effort. Is it really surprising, at this late date, that the marketing/sales/distribution are likewise amateur hour?

warspite1

Oh goody....I wondered when this moron would make his ridiculous presence felt...

He makes an accurate and valid point and all you do is make a personal attack.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Nope - not even close (as you well know).....

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ORIGINAL: mjk428

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Despite being announced by Matrix as a project supported with professional resources, it's been clear for the better part of a decade that development was in fact a hobbyist effort. Is it really surprising, at this late date, that the marketing/sales/distribution are likewise amateur hour?

warspite1

Oh goody....I wondered when this moron would make his ridiculous presence felt...

He makes an accurate and valid point and all you do is make a personal attack.

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ORIGINAL: composer99

mjk428:

Kindly explain what makes CrusssDaddy's point "accurate and valid".

Kindly refrain from resorting to handwaving (e.g. "it's self-evident", "it's obvious" etc.) while doing so.

CrusssDaddy's contribution to this thread over the years has generally been similar drive-by trolling (term chosen quite specifically: he has deliberately made an effort to draw out inflamed reactions). Thus warspite's simple rejoinder is appropriate.

There is little reason to believe that now, all of a sudden, after years of tedious posts along the same vein, that CrusssDaddy will make "an accurate and valid point" when it reads as just yet another of his pointless potshots.

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ORIGINAL: mjk428

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Nope - not even close (as you well know).....

I know full well that calling a fellow forum member a moron is a personal attack and a clear violation of forum rules.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: mjk428

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ORIGINAL: composer99

mjk428:

Kindly explain what makes CrusssDaddy's point "accurate and valid".

Kindly refrain from resorting to handwaving (e.g. "it's self-evident", "it's obvious" etc.) while doing so.

CrusssDaddy's contribution to this thread over the years has generally been similar drive-by trolling (term chosen quite specifically: he has deliberately made an effort to draw out inflamed reactions). Thus warspite's simple rejoinder is appropriate.

There is little reason to believe that now, all of a sudden, after years of tedious posts along the same vein, that CrusssDaddy will make "an accurate and valid point" when it reads as just yet another of his pointless potshots.

CrossDaddy's prior history is irrelevant. He's a current forum member in good standing.

Warspite's post was the polar opposite of appropriate.

Matrix knows first-hand what an "amateur hour" this project has been. No point in trying to shield them from what is "self-evident" and "obvious".

There's little reason to believe that now, all of a sudden, after years of misinformation, broken promises and missed deadlines, that any promises of future additions to this project will ever see the light of day in promised form. But you believe what you want and others will believe what they want. However, personal insults should not be tolerated.

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CrossDaddy's prior history is irrelevant. He's a current forum member in good standing.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Do you? Congratulations. Perhaps therefore you will care to tell me why the following ritual has been played out for some years now:

- That moron attacks Steve, the beta testers and anyone else he cares to pick upon
- Nothing is said
- I respond in kind
- Suddenly the world and his wife states that I have stepped over a line or some old cobblers.

You have been around this forum a long time. You know what he is all about. How about you having a go at the pathetic troll every now and again and telling him that he is in breach of forum rules?

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

@ mjk428

Of course you can have this opinion, but I didn't see you posting every time to express you views the way Mr. CrussDaddy always does. I think this is because you don't like to trash people around verbally (which is something I dislike too). Now, personally, I would have liked it a lot if my right honourable friend Mr. Warspite refrained on reacting to Mr. Crushdaddy, however I can understand he did it.

It is very frustrating to have someone who always reacts negative. Nothing which happens with MWIF is good. It's always bad. And that history is always going to be part of his name in this forum. I don't think he is in "good standing" at all, I'm afraid...

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ORIGINAL: mjk428

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

@ mjk428

Of course you can have this opinion, but I didn't see you posting every time to express you views the way Mr. CrussDaddy always does. I think this is because you don't like to trash people around verbally (which is something I dislike too). Now, personally, I would have liked it a lot if my right honourable friend Mr. Warspite refrained on reacting to Mr. Crushdaddy, however I can understand he did it.

It is very frustrating to have someone who always reacts negative. Nothing which happens with MWIF is good. It's always bad. And that history is always going to be part of his name in this forum. I don't think he is in "good standing" at all, I'm afraid...

If he's able to post in the forum he's in good standing. Doesn't mean he's popular. ;)

I understand your frustration but so far at least nothing good HAS happened with MWIF. Hope that changes in the near future.

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ORIGINAL: mjk428

CrusssDaddy's [sic] prior history is irrelevant. He's a current forum member in good standing.

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Warspite's post was the polar opposite of appropriate.

Matrix knows first-hand what an "amateur hour" this project has been. No point in trying to shield them from what is "self-evident" and "obvious".

There's little reason to believe that now, all of a sudden, after years of misinformation, broken promises and missed deadlines, that any promises of future additions to this project will ever see the light of day in promised form. But you believe what you want and others will believe what they want. However, personal insults should not be tolerated.

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

So why should we support a pricing model that is counter to every game that Matrix will release just because of issues with development, etc. that the customers had nothing to do with.

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ORIGINAL: composer99

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ORIGINAL: mjk428

CrusssDaddy's [sic] prior history is irrelevant. He's a current forum member in good standing.

You are entirely incorrect, with respect to his prior history of participation on this thread.

No one is obliged, every single time CrusssDaddy leaves some turd of a post whinging about or insulting others, to treat it as a brand new event, leaving out of consideration all the other times he has done the exact same thing.

Rather, his posts are best viewed in light of the context of the posts surrounding them, and in light of his total contribution to the thread.

That you suggest otherwise (by asserting his prior posting history is "irrelevant") is, suffice to say, a questionable line of argument.

Also, what do you mean by "in good standing" (other than "hasn't done anything/enough to merit being banned by Matrix forum administration"), and who are you to decide what it is (apart from the minimal definition I have outlined)?

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Warspite's post was the polar opposite of appropriate.

Matrix knows first-hand what an "amateur hour" this project has been. No point in trying to shield them from what is "self-evident" and "obvious".

There's little reason to believe that now, all of a sudden, after years of misinformation, broken promises and missed deadlines, that any promises of future additions to this project will ever see the light of day in promised form. But you believe what you want and others will believe what they want. However, personal insults should not be tolerated.

In light of years' worth of thorough posts by Steve discussing the work in progress, "years of misinformation, broken promises and missed deadlines" is wildly inaccurate, so much so that I can scarcely conceive it being anything other than deliberately so; as there's none so blind as those who will not see, I suppose such nonsense can be chalked up to (unflattering) ignorance on your part.

Until the last few days, to my knowledge no formal or official release date for MWiF was ever provided by Matrix or Steve. Early on, Steve issued what turned out to be overly optimistic forecasts for completion, but these are not promises. What is more, unless you are privy to inside information with respect to Steve's dealings with Matrix, who are you to say deadlines have been missed, or even what the deadlines are/were?

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

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ORIGINAL: composer99

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ORIGINAL: mjk428

CrusssDaddy's [sic] prior history is irrelevant. He's a current forum member in good standing.

You are entirely incorrect, with respect to his prior history of participation on this thread.

No one is obliged, every single time CrusssDaddy leaves some turd of a post whinging about or insulting others, to treat it as a brand new event, leaving out of consideration all the other times he has done the exact same thing.

Rather, his posts are best viewed in light of the context of the posts surrounding them, and in light of his total contribution to the thread.

That you suggest otherwise (by asserting his prior posting history is "irrelevant") is, suffice to say, a questionable line of argument.

Also, what do you mean by "in good standing" (other than "hasn't done anything/enough to merit being banned by Matrix forum administration"), and who are you to decide what it is (apart from the minimal definition I have outlined)?

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Warspite's post was the polar opposite of appropriate.

Matrix knows first-hand what an "amateur hour" this project has been. No point in trying to shield them from what is "self-evident" and "obvious".

There's little reason to believe that now, all of a sudden, after years of misinformation, broken promises and missed deadlines, that any promises of future additions to this project will ever see the light of day in promised form. But you believe what you want and others will believe what they want. However, personal insults should not be tolerated.

In light of years' worth of thorough posts by Steve discussing the work in progress, "years of misinformation, broken promises and missed deadlines" is wildly inaccurate, so much so that I can scarcely conceive it being anything other than deliberately so; as there's none so blind as those who will not see, I suppose such nonsense can be chalked up to (unflattering) ignorance on your part.

Until the last few days, to my knowledge no formal or official release date for MWiF was ever provided by Matrix or Steve. Early on, Steve issued what turned out to be overly optimistic forecasts for completion, but these are not promises. What is more, unless you are privy to inside information with respect to Steve's dealings with Matrix, who are you to say deadlines have been missed, or even what the deadlines are/were?

You should go reread the "Matrix Seals the Deal..." announcement from 10 (ten) years (a decade) ago. Review that list of bulleted game features -- what percentage, after 10 years of work, made it to the game? Is it really so egregious, reviewing that list and noting truthfully the percentage accomplished in all this time, to characterize the effort as amateur hour or to remark upon stated promises (maybe better termed "hopes?"), information and deadlines that turned out to fall well short of reality?

[SPOILER ALERT -- The answer is "20%" after ten years, twenty-percent.]

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ORIGINAL: Tonqeen

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

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ORIGINAL: composer99

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ORIGINAL: mjk428

CrusssDaddy's [sic] prior history is irrelevant. He's a current forum member in good standing.

You are entirely incorrect, with respect to his prior history of participation on this thread.

No one is obliged, every single time CrusssDaddy leaves some turd of a post whinging about or insulting others, to treat it as a brand new event, leaving out of consideration all the other times he has done the exact same thing.

Rather, his posts are best viewed in light of the context of the posts surrounding them, and in light of his total contribution to the thread.

That you suggest otherwise (by asserting his prior posting history is "irrelevant") is, suffice to say, a questionable line of argument.

Also, what do you mean by "in good standing" (other than "hasn't done anything/enough to merit being banned by Matrix forum administration"), and who are you to decide what it is (apart from the minimal definition I have outlined)?

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Warspite's post was the polar opposite of appropriate.

Matrix knows first-hand what an "amateur hour" this project has been. No point in trying to shield them from what is "self-evident" and "obvious".

There's little reason to believe that now, all of a sudden, after years of misinformation, broken promises and missed deadlines, that any promises of future additions to this project will ever see the light of day in promised form. But you believe what you want and others will believe what they want. However, personal insults should not be tolerated.

In light of years' worth of thorough posts by Steve discussing the work in progress, "years of misinformation, broken promises and missed deadlines" is wildly inaccurate, so much so that I can scarcely conceive it being anything other than deliberately so; as there's none so blind as those who will not see, I suppose such nonsense can be chalked up to (unflattering) ignorance on your part.

Until the last few days, to my knowledge no formal or official release date for MWiF was ever provided by Matrix or Steve. Early on, Steve issued what turned out to be overly optimistic forecasts for completion, but these are not promises. What is more, unless you are privy to inside information with respect to Steve's dealings with Matrix, who are you to say deadlines have been missed, or even what the deadlines are/were?

You should go reread the "Matrix Seals the Deal..." announcement from 10 (ten) years (a decade) ago. Review that list of bulleted game features -- what percentage, after 10 years of work, made it to the game? Is it really so egregious, reviewing that list and noting truthfully the percentage accomplished in all this time, to characterize the effort as amateur hour or to remark upon stated promises (maybe better termed "hopes?"), information and deadlines that turned out to fall well short of reality?

[SPOILER ALERT -- The answer is "20%" after ten years, twenty-percent.]

If I'd disliked a game to the piont that you do, I would´nt go to that forum no more. The energy that you hate it must be at level psykopatic

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

What I want to do, and this was suggested to me by several people in the forum, is to enable PBEM games to switch over to NetPlay games from time to time (at the players' choice). So when one side is moving all their land units, or during production, the exchange of decisions is via email. When things get hot and heavy (e.g., naval movement, air-to-air combat), the players go to NetPlay mode.

I haven't thought out the technical details of this yet, but it seems feasible at first glance. I think it might be "a good thing to do".

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

And I am chosing not to buy it (unless it is a lot less than what I expect it to be). Even though I REALLY wanted to before now. I am chosing not to support what I consider really bad behivor on Matrix's part. When (and if) and AI version is released, I will definately buy it at whatever cost is involved. As I will then know that Matrix kept its promise to build an AI for the game.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

And I am chosing not to buy it (unless it is a lot less than what I expect it to be). Even though I REALLY wanted to before now. I am chosing not to support what I consider really bad behivor on Matrix's part. When (and if) and AI version is released, I will definately buy it at whatever cost is involved. As I will then know that Matrix kept its promise to build an AI for the game.

Awwww, you really, really, REALLY wanted to? Poor you.

Do not buy it. That is best. Your whining and complaining will change nothing. Your buying or not buying will change nothing. Matrix ought to publish the buyers' pseudonyms in November. Then we can be shocked to see:
...Numdydar, ...Crussdaddy... etc.

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paulderynck