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JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 4:07:47 AM

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Playing First Contact 1986 as Norway and my units invariably get jammed.

Any pointers on how to break being jammed?

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 5:30:44 AM

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Playing First Contact 1986 as Norway and my units invariably get jammed.

Any pointers on how to break being jammed?

Bread an toast.

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 5:32:25 AM

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Nutella solves all

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 5:35:00 AM

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There are OECMs on Soviet ships. Destory them.

...Easier said than done!

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 11:57:11 AM

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Turn off radar, lol

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 12:02:19 PM

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Your not mocking the question are you?

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 2:43:43 PM

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Thanks for the help guys

So maybe let me put it another way: why are the Soviet OECMs so effective and Norway's so useless?

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 3:42:10 PM

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Two ways. Kill the jamming platform. Of course you need tofind it first. Based on the detail level of the game model your ESM should be able to get a bearing on the source. If you have multiple ESM platforms you should be able to get a rough location. Next close on the target to get your radar to "burn" through the jamming. Assuming the game model supports this.

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 4:23:13 PM

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Thanks for the help guys

So maybe let me put it another way: why are the Soviet OECMs so effective and Norway's so useless?

Because the Soviets covered their ships in the damn things, just check out any Soviet era image of their ships, especially the RKR's - bristling with high powered jammers. Looks like another case of good modelling by the devs

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 4:24:54 PM

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Should be a matter of getting closer to "burn through", as mentioned.

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 4:25:51 PM

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 4:30:52 PM

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Depending on your radar set you might also be successful in getting your main and side lobes off-axis with the jamming emitter, though this is often easier said than done.

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 4:54:51 PM

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So in general, is Norway pretty much doomed in First Contract 1986? Should I expect any of my ships to survive? I've played from the USSR side and it's a cake walk for them

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 5:08:34 PM

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What an awesome question!

The answer is that as you learn the game you'll come back to this one and play it again, but this time with more experience. And you'll find yourself using more sophisticated tactics and achieving what was before a lost cause.

IMHO, Command is BEST when it really challenges you to come up with solutions beyond "I shoot a missile at it".

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So in general, is Norway pretty much doomed in First Contract 1986? Should I expect any of my ships to survive? I've played from the USSR side and it's a cake walk for them

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 8:51:54 PM

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Your not mocking the question are you?

Jammers don't work over the horizon, so if your boat is being jammed by an enemy surface ship then it means they are close and they know you're there. If your radar has gone completely blind (whiteout) and you're not picking up the enemy contacts at all you're in deep trouble. They most likely see you due to superior surface search radars and SSMs will soon be fired your way.

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 8:54:03 PM

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So in general, is Norway pretty much doomed in First Contract 1986? Should I expect any of my ships to survive? I've played from the USSR side and it's a cake walk for them

Stay close to the coast, and don't use radar too much. Your boats have relatively small visual signatures which helps a lot.

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/27/2013 9:31:36 PM

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Stay close to the coast, and don't use radar too much. Your boats have relatively small visual signatures which helps a lot.

Ah. Good point. I think the default EMCON for Norway is active for this scenario.

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/28/2013 3:12:22 AM

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Thanks! Finally won by paying extra attention to keeping my emissions minimal.

Still confused as to when the "friendly" AI decided to light up (and then STAY lit up)

You know what would be nice?--some sort of unit marker that shows whether or not that unit is currently emitting.

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/28/2013 3:15:51 AM

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If its emitting an active radar you'll see the name of the emitter (or type) fading in and out above the unit. Its actually pulsing to the radar's scan rate.

Jammer says JAM.

Thanks!

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/28/2013 3:19:32 AM

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quote:

If its emitting an active radar you'll see the name of the emitter (or type) fading in and out above the unit. Its actually pulsing to the radar's scan rate.

I meant my units. They'll turn on their radars (for whatever reason) and I maybe won't notice it...the radar rings are nice but I'm usually zoomed to far in to notice them

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/28/2013 3:26:57 AM

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Check your mission logic and emcon settings on ROE.

Patrol missions typically have an active setting. You can change this by going into the mission editor, select the mission on the left and pressing the Mission Doctorine/Roe/Emcon button, select the EMCON setting tab and adjust (uncheck the inherit).

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/28/2013 3:42:20 AM

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Right. I did that (I think). I unchecked inherit and set to passive. Somewhere along the way the group went active (to fire a defensive weapon perhaps?) Anyway, it's a minor point but it would be a nice improvement (to a game that's pretty perfect as it is!)

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/28/2013 3:47:12 AM

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Keeping notes on this stuff as I come across it and documenting so we'll definitely take a look.

Thanks for your input!

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/28/2013 5:17:05 AM

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Stay close to the coast, and don't use radar too much. Your boats have relatively small visual signatures which helps a lot.

Ah. Good point. I think the default EMCON for Norway is active for this scenario.

I'm having to remind myself, before ever starting any new scenario, to check the Side ROE & EMCON setting. Then set everything to Passive, to start. The scenarios seem to have different start settings here so it's #1 on the checklist.

I'd prefer having the Side EMCON set to Passive by default, for a human player's side.

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/28/2013 10:30:41 AM

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So in general, is Norway pretty much doomed in First Contract 1986? Should I expect any of my ships to survive? I've played from the USSR side and it's a cake walk for them

Stay close to the coast, and don't use radar too much. Your boats have relatively small visual signatures which helps a lot.

Radar use:

2 or 3 sweeps of your surface search radar, then use ref points to add a reference point on top of every contact (you may have to pause the game to do this). Scoot to a new location (you don't want them finding you), then same again and plot the contacts using the reference points. Now you may have an MLA, at which point you can start planning your approach and attacks.

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/28/2013 12:42:43 PM

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Quick question on Jamming. In the 'North Pacific Shootout' scenario, my EA-6Bs on an OECM patrol had a big red JAM, over them - does that mean that they are being jammed or are actively Jamming?

Thanks

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/28/2013 12:54:41 PM

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They're jamming.

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Quick question on Jamming. In the 'North Pacific Shootout' scenario, my EA-6Bs on an OECM patrol had a big red JAM, over them - does that mean that they are being jammed or are actively Jamming?

Thanks

B

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RE: JAMMED! - 9/28/2013 1:03:34 PM

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How do I know one of my platforms is being jammed? Any indicators?
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RE: JAMMED! - 9/28/2013 1:18:49 PM

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When one of your platforms is being effected by Jamming it will have a Jammed indicator by it.