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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/19/2013 3:29:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: loki100

looks like you have a tough decision (now how is that for insightful commenting ) - probably what is left of your defense, esp in the sector S of Warsaw is holding up a substantial Soviet force. Pull out too early and it may be like letting the cork out of a bottle, too late and you are set up to hand them a huge encirclement.


I will pull back somewhat come mud, then I will try to make do with a screening force for as long as I can during winter, while rebuilding some units in the Berlin area.



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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/20/2013 1:41:34 PM   
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Argh! Not only are the USSR troops highly mobile, they also have a very good CV, AND their C-i-C makes sure they do not rout if pushed back. Annoying!
50 USSR attacks resulted in 23 helds, 24 retreats and 3 surrenders, not to mention a severe blow to our defences...
We made 7 attacks, and scored 1 held and 6 retreats.

Losses
USSR : 75.000 troops, 940 guns, 762 AFVs, 568 AC.
Axis : 55.000 troops, 1.243 guns, 208 AFVs, 251 AC.

Axis units destroyed
7 Fortified Zones.

German units disbanded
3 Fortified zones.

German Pools
Manpower : 1.944
Vehicles : 221.247
Armaments : 117.898
Hiwi : 271







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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/20/2013 1:53:36 PM   
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Turn 171

Overall
Argh! Not only are the USSR troops highly mobile, they also have a very good CV, AND their C-i-C makes sure they do not rout if pushed back. Annoying!
50 USSR attacks resulted in 23 helds, 24 retreats and 3 surrenders, not to mention a severe blow to our defences...
We made 7 attacks, and scored 1 held and 6 retreats.




It looks nasty south of Warsaw.

Maybe e-adolf won't see year 1945

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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/20/2013 2:11:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		ouch, that happened quicker than I would have suspected ... do hope you have a fortified line ready on the Warthe?

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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/20/2013 2:17:46 PM   
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Turn 171

Overall
Argh! Not only are the USSR troops highly mobile, they also have a very good CV, AND their C-i-C makes sure they do not rout if pushed back. Annoying!
50 USSR attacks resulted in 23 helds, 24 retreats and 3 surrenders, not to mention a severe blow to our defences...
We made 7 attacks, and scored 1 held and 6 retreats.




It looks nasty south of Warsaw.

Maybe e-adolf won't see year 1945


It seems very unlikely at this pace for sure.


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/20/2013 2:18:11 PM   
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ouch, that happened quicker than I would have suspected ... do hope you have a fortified line ready on the Warthe?


Next line is my Berlin-line on the Oder...


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/21/2013 1:25:09 PM   
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Overall
Not much to say, we are on the verge of disaster, and there is not really much I can do about it, as my manpower situation is dire, and the USSR can bring in wave after wave of fresh troops. But for now, we once more revert to the 3 hexes deep defence with our crappiest units in front to soak up enemy MPs. The line is definitively broken...
52 USSR attacks ends with 13 helds, 2 scouted, 29 retreats, 7 routs and 1 surrender. Our 8 attacks gives us 2 helds and 6 retreats.

Losses
USSR : 70.000 troops, 895 guns, 649 AFVs, 649 AC.
Axis : 77.000 troops, 1.522 guns, 430 AFVs, 195 AC.

Axis units destroyed
20th Panzer Division, 8th Jaeger Division, 905th StuG Brigade, 1/604th SP Flak Company.

German units disbanded
8 Fortified zones, and the surrounded 15th SS Grenadier Division is merged into another division to give me one less division to rebuild.

German Pools
Manpower : 5.194
Vehicles : 220.175
Armaments : 116.281
Hiwi : 439







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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/23/2013 3:11:37 PM   
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Overall
The picture bellows says it all, although we are able to open the pockets formed, but that only delays the inevitable.
80 USSR attacks resulted in 18 helds, 1 scouted, 56 retreats, 3 routs, 1 shatter and 1 surrender. Our 2 attacks ended with 2 retreats.

Losses
USSR : 65.000 troops, 821 guns, 511 AFVs, 606 AC.
Axis : 90.000 troops, 1.724 guns, 286 AFVs, 143 AC.

Axis units destroyed
258th and 349th Infantry Divisions, 62nd LW Flak Regiment, 2nd Lehr Pioneer Battalion, 672nd Pioneer Battalion, 127th Pioneer Battalion, 1/22nd SP Flak Company.

German units disbanded
4 Fortified zones.

German Pools
Manpower : 2.698
Vehicles : 221.029
Armaments : 83.668
Hiwi : 252







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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/23/2013 4:21:31 PM   
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Our 2 attacks ended with 2 retreats.



100% success rate is pretty good - suggest that in the formal report to Berlin you miss out the boring small detail of how many you launched ...

that is grim.

How much of that is down to the artillery divisions? I'm still trying to work out how much damage these do.


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/23/2013 5:39:29 PM   
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Our 2 attacks ended with 2 retreats.



100% success rate is pretty good - suggest that in the formal report to Berlin you miss out the boring small detail of how many you launched ...

that is grim.

How much of that is down to the artillery divisions? I'm still trying to work out how much damage these do.



Most of the damage comes from normal USSR Corps (these are now more or less all around 10CV it seems), but the real benefit for the USSR player when it comes to artillery units, is that he gets a lot more guns to fire during the attack, since he can have a total of 9 artillery divisions attack one of my exposed hexes.

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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/24/2013 12:37:16 PM   
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Overall
Let us start with the bad news. We lost somewhat more than an army to the enemy this turn (they still live but will be killed next turn). The good news. MUD! (One turn too late though, as we only had 9 divisions trapped last turn).
We keep falling back, and pray that we get some troops all the way back so they can get some badly needed rest before the winter arrives.
83 USSR attacks resulted in 26 helds, 2 scouted, 51 (!!) retreats and 4 routs.

Losses
It is likely, yes.

Axis units destroyed
None.

German units disbanded
1 Fortified zone.

German Pools
Manpower : 629
Vehicles : 217.460
Armaments : 54.021
Hiwi : 34







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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/24/2013 12:43:10 PM   
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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/24/2013 1:08:34 PM   
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War is a moral story: God is (always) on the side of the big battalions. (Bernard Shaw?)





Too bad my battalions are now severely reduced in strength then


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/25/2013 10:20:48 AM   
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Overall
As expected, the mud made the front static, apart from the eliminated pockets.
27 USSR attacks made for a result of 16 helds, 4 scouted, 2 retreats and 5 surrenders.

Losses
Still FUBAR, listed my losses at 19k men (see units lost below...).

Axis units destroyed
3rd SS, 5th, 8th, 19th and 23rd Panzer Divisions.
4th SS and 10th PzGrenadier Divisions.
19th SS Grenadier Division.
50th, 110th, 111th, 125th, 132nd, 302nd and 333rd Infantry Divisions.
259th and 261st StuG Battalion.
509th Heavy Panzer Battalion.
665th and 666th PzJager Battalion.
744th JagdPanzer Battalion.
52nd, 627th, 742nd and 752nd Pioneer Battalion.
5/31st and 3/66th SP Flak Company.

German units disbanded
None.

German Pools
Manpower : 8
Vehicles : 208.113
Armaments : 0
Hiwi : 7







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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/27/2013 1:23:01 PM   
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Overall
Still mud, and we keep preparing to fight for Berlin.
44 USSR attacks, 20 helds and 24 retreats. That means they are doing better than 50% on the attack during mud .

Losses
USSR : 46.000 troops, 324 guns, 241 AFVs, 265 AC.
Axis : 28.000 troops, 524 guns, 44 AFVs, 24 AC.

Axis units destroyed
None.

German units disbanded
None.

German Pools
Manpower : 542
Vehicles : 203.014
Armaments : 10.415
Hiwi : 9







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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/28/2013 6:24:12 AM   
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Overall
We are working our trains to the maximum during this period of mud. Units are being railed from Hungary and Rumania and back to Germany, but we are still a few turns from completing that. For now, we keep taking a step back, reorganize what we can, and prepare for the coming storm.
27 USSR attacks gave a result of 14 helds, 12 retreats and 1 surrender.

Losses
USSR : 36.000 troops, 177 guns, 188 AFVs, 179 AC.
Axis : 33.000 troops, 475 guns, 54 AFVs, 14 AC.

Axis units destroyed
403rd Security Division.
86th and 332nd Infantry Division.
236th, 276th and 912th StuG Brigade.

German units disbanded
6A Air Base, and the 110th Panzer Brigade is merged into the 1st Panzer Division.

German Pools
Manpower : 3.739
Vehicles : 196.900
Armaments : 18.682
Hiwi : 1.183







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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/28/2013 8:48:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		not much that can be sensibly said (other than to prove you still have loyal readers), looks grim, but guess your final fort line will take some breaching

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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/28/2013 9:05:15 AM   
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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/28/2013 9:16:33 AM   
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not much that can be sensibly said (other than to prove you still have loyal readers), looks grim, but guess your final fort line will take some breaching


Hehe thank you. Yeah, the picture tells a grim tale
I am not sure, depends what sort of CV I can throw together in the forts...


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/28/2013 9:16:47 AM   
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what are the current oob and total losses?



Will post next turn.


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/28/2013 11:12:20 AM   
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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/28/2013 1:31:12 PM   
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almost all the time have to try a couple of times when I save game.
and from time to time when trying to open a turn.
Usually works after a couple of tries.

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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/28/2013 7:07:04 PM   
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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/28/2013 7:29:59 PM   
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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/29/2013 7:46:58 AM   
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Overall
Had really hoped for more mud, but winter is here, and we will lose 2 inf divisions and a sec division due to that.
We keep moving back, and we keep reorganizing. I doubt it will be enough tbh.
6 USSR attacks gave 3 helds and 3 retreats.

Losses
USSR : 29.000 troops, 71 guns, 102 AFVs, 142 AC.
Axis : 11.000 troops, 97 guns, 18 AFVs, 18 AC.

Total Losses
USSR : 6.972.000 troops, 137.907 guns, 42.149 AFVs, 52.342 AC.
Axis : 4.728.000 troops, 93.275 guns, 20.531 AFVs, 12.5518 AC.

Axis units destroyed
None.

German units disbanded
The 109th Panzer Brigade is merged into the 14th Panzer Division. Then we disbanded some army airfields;
1P, 4A, 4P, 9A, 16A and 17A. Then to top it off, we disbanded the LXVIII Corps.

German Pools
Manpower : 28.774
Vehicles : 194.912
Armaments : 27.582
Hiwi : 6.748







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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/29/2013 9:58:12 AM   
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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/29/2013 10:24:06 AM   
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only 7 million soviet losses looks low at the end of 1944. Is it the total figure or just the permanent losses?


Permanent losses, but keep in mind the abysmal -41 and -42, and the numbers are not that hard to understand.


Terje

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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/30/2013 12:16:18 PM   
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Overall
Mud once more, but the damage is done. The USSR launched a major assault last turn, and trapped 2 Sec Divs, 4 Inf Divs and 1 Pz.Div. They cannot be saved. Well, actually it was 5 Inf Divs, but two were merged to keep the number of rebuilt units down. We keep moving back to the final line, and it is coming together, but it still has some weak spots in it, but we still have some more units in the open. Hopefully they will boost the defences enough when they arrive.
81 USSR attacks resulted in 22 helds, 58 retreats and 1 rout. Not a good turn for our guys...

Losses
USSR : 34.000 troops, 329 guns, 232 AFVs, 376 AC.
Axis : 35.000 troops, 814 guns, 30 AFVs, 71 AC.

Axis units destroyed
150th LW Flak Regiment.

German units disbanded
1 Sec.Div, 1 Jager Div and 6 Inf.Divs were merged into other divisions this turn.
We also disbanded the LIII and the XXII Mountain Corps this turn.

German Pools
Manpower : 15.696
Vehicles : 191.229
Armaments : 21.764
Hiwi : 1.105

Bah-factor
The prnt/screen did not "take" this turn .


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/30/2013 2:14:29 PM   
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As the disabled pool kick backs keep that "pool" constandly shrinking if new disables are not added. Looking at any given day pool isnt in it self a replection of the what his been in that pool over time. Excluding the very first turns ofc. This goes for both sides ofc. Just a note.

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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 9/30/2013 2:23:52 PM   
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Including those that come back via kickbacks from the disabled pool or just adding up those that is listed?

As the disabled pool kick backs keep that "pool" constandly shrinking if new disables are not added. Looking at any given day pool isnt in it self a replection of the what his been in that pool over time. Excluding the very first turns ofc. This goes for both sides ofc. Just a note.

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Only the listed

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