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The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/8/2013 4:26:18 AM   
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What a beautiful sub she was and what a tragic loss for such a great work of art!

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French cruiser sub Surcouf. A cross between a surface cruiser, and a submarine!

Surcouf was sunk on 18 February 1942 about 80 mi (70 nmi; 130 km) north of Cristóbal, Colón, while en route for Tahiti via the Panama Canal. The American freighter Thompson Lykes, steaming alone from Guantanamo Bay on what was a very dark night, reported hitting and running down a partially submerged object which scraped along her side and keel. Her lookouts heard people in the water but the freighter carried on its course without stopping, as they thought that they had struck a German U-boat, though cries for help were heard in English. A signal was sent to Panama describing the incident. The loss of Surcouf was announced by the Free French Headquarters in London on 18 April 1942.

Inquiries into the incident were haphazard and late, while a later French inquiry supported the idea that the sinking had been due to "friendly fire"; this conclusion was supported by Rear Admiral Auphan in his book The French Navy in World War II in which he states: "for reasons which appear to have been primarily political, she was rammed at night in the Caribbean by an American freighter." Charles de Gaulle stated in his memoirs that Surcouf "had sunk with all hands".
The wreck lies 3,000 m (9,800 ft) deep at 10°40′N 79°32′WCoordinates: 10°40′N 79°32′W.
There is a memorial to Surcouf in Cherbourg harbor.


Name: Surcouf
Namesake: Robert Surcouf
Ordered: December 1927
Launched: 18 October 1929
Commissioned: May 1934
Struck: 6 December 1943
Identification: Pennant number: N N 3
Fate: Sunk, 18 February 1942

General characteristics
Type: Cruiser/Submarine
Displacement:
3,250 long tons (3,300 t) (surfaced)
4,304 long tons (4,373 t) (submerged)
2,880 long tons (2,930 t) (dead)

Length:
110 m (361 ft)

Beam:
9 m (29 ft 6 in)

Draft:
7.25 m (23 ft 9 in)

Installed power:
7,600 hp (5,700 kW) (surfaced)
3,400 hp (2,500 kW) (submerged)

Propulsion:
2 × Sulzer diesel engines (surfaced)
2 × electric motors (submerged)
2 × screws

Speed:
18.5 knots (34.3 km/h; 21.3 mph) (surfaced)
10 kn (19 km/h; 12 mph) (submerged)

Range:
Surfaced:
18,500 km (10,000 nmi; 11,500 mi) at 10 kn (19 km/h; 12 mph)
12,600 km (6,800 nmi; 7,800 mi) at 13.5 kn (25.0 km/h; 15.5 mph)
Submerged:
130 km (70 nmi; 81 mi) at 4.5 kn (8.3 km/h; 5.2 mph)
110 km (59 nmi; 68 mi) at 5 kn (9.3 km/h; 5.8 mph)

Endurance: 90 days

Test depth: 80 m (260 ft)

Boats & landing craft carried:
1 × motorboat in watertight deck well

Capacity: 280 long tons (280 t)

Complement: 8 officers and 110 men

Armament:
2 × 203 mm (8 in) guns (1x2)
2 × 37 mm (1.46 in) anti-aircraft guns (2x1)
4 × 13.2 mm (0.52 in) anti-aircraft machine guns (2x2)
8 × 550 mm (22 in) torpedo tubes (14 torpedoes)
4 × 400 mm (16 in) torpedo tubes (8 torpedoes)

Aircraft carried:
1 × Besson MB.411 floatplane



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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/8/2013 2:43:58 PM   
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An extra ordinairy ship for sure, the French always had great looking ships IMHO.

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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/8/2013 7:56:35 PM   
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How did it get through the water with the holes in the turret thing ?


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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/8/2013 11:41:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffrey H.

How did it get through the water with the holes in the turret thing ?

warspite1

It didn't - you spotted the fatal flaw in her design and the real reason why she sank.





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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/9/2013 1:08:28 AM   
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It was the illuminati.

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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/9/2013 1:22:45 AM   
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Surcouf was designed as an "underwater cruiser", intended to seek and engage in surface combat.[1] For reconnaissance, she carried a Besson MB.411 observation floatplane in a hangar built abaft of the conning tower; for combat, she was armed with eight 550 mm (22 in) and four 400 mm (16 in) torpedo tubes and twin 203 mm (8 in) guns in a pressure-tight turret forward of the conning tower. The guns were fed from a magazine holding 60 rounds and controlled by a director with a 5 m (16 ft) rangefinder, mounted high enough to view a 11 km (5.9 nmi; 6.8 mi) horizon, and able to fire within three minutes after surfacing.[2] Using her periscopes to direct the fire of her main guns, Surcouf could increase this range to 16 km (8.6 nmi; 9.9 mi); originally an elevating platform was supposed to lift lookouts 15 m (49 ft) high, but this design was abandoned quickly due to the effect of roll.[3] In theory, the Besson observation plane could be used to direct fire out to the guns' 24 mi (21 nmi; 39 km) maximum range. Anti-aircraft cannon and machine guns were mounted on the top of the hangar.

Surcouf also carried a 4.5 m (14 ft 9 in) motorboat, and contained a cargo compartment with fittings to restrain 40 prisoners. The submarine's fuel tanks were very large; enough fuel for a 10,000 nmi (19,000 km; 12,000 mi) range and supplies for 90-day patrols could be carried.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_submarine_Surcouf


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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/9/2013 1:37:40 AM   
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I dunno about the Illuminati although they did control the USAAF which
historically has been pretty good at killing things be they friend or foe.

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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/9/2013 10:44:01 AM   
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< Message edited by SLAAKMAN -- 10/9/2013 8:07:02 PM >


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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/9/2013 7:17:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: danlongman

I dunno about the Illuminati although they did control the USAAF which
historically has been pretty good at killing things be they friend or foe.


Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure they did.

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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/9/2013 7:37:03 PM   
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The other flaw I see is that you have to point the ship at your target. The turret doesn't look like it can turn. Doesn't really seem worth the extra underwater drag and weight, or the added complexity.

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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/9/2013 8:44:59 PM   
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Just curious if attempt was made to raise her?

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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/9/2013 10:30:36 PM   
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At 3000 feet depth she would have been crushed.

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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/10/2013 12:31:33 AM   
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Captain, I hate to wake you, but we've hit something

I FELT AND HEARD IT. CUSS. I'M ALREADY AWAKE. I'LL BE UP THERE IN A SECOND...

ALRIGHT. WHAT'S UP?

There, captain.

I SEE IT. WTF IS THAT THING?

I dunno, sir.

OK. WELL. WHATEVER IT IS, NOTE THAT WE HIT SOMETHING AND BUMP UP THE THROTTLE A FEW KNOTS.

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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/10/2013 8:29:12 PM   
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The other flaw I see is that you have to point the ship at your target. The turret doesn't look like it can turn. Doesn't really seem worth the extra underwater drag and weight, or the added complexity.


On the other hand, tank destroyers and other turretless armored vehicles seem to have found a useful place. My own $.02 is that the Surcouf would have done well in the shore bombardment role: pop up at night, deliver a number of heavy rounds to an airfield or harbor, and then be underwater and safe from air attack by daybreak.

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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/11/2013 2:18:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WBaugh

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Surcouf was designed as an "underwater cruiser", intended to seek and engage in surface combat.[1] For reconnaissance, she carried a Besson MB.411 observation floatplane in a hangar built abaft of the conning tower; for combat, she was armed with eight 550 mm (22 in) and four 400 mm (16 in) torpedo tubes and twin 203 mm (8 in) guns in a pressure-tight turret forward of the conning tower. The guns were fed from a magazine holding 60 rounds and controlled by a director with a 5 m (16 ft) rangefinder, mounted high enough to view a 11 km (5.9 nmi; 6.8 mi) horizon, and able to fire within three minutes after surfacing.[2] Using her periscopes to direct the fire of her main guns, Surcouf could increase this range to 16 km (8.6 nmi; 9.9 mi); originally an elevating platform was supposed to lift lookouts 15 m (49 ft) high, but this design was abandoned quickly due to the effect of roll.[3] In theory, the Besson observation plane could be used to direct fire out to the guns' 24 mi (21 nmi; 39 km) maximum range. Anti-aircraft cannon and machine guns were mounted on the top of the hangar.

Surcouf also carried a 4.5 m (14 ft 9 in) motorboat, and contained a cargo compartment with fittings to restrain 40 prisoners. The submarine's fuel tanks were very large; enough fuel for a 10,000 nmi (19,000 km; 12,000 mi) range and supplies for 90-day patrols could be carried.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_submarine_Surcouf




Of course but what a lot of drag and noise ! Pre sonar for sure.



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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/11/2013 4:25:47 AM   
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Pre sonar for sure.


But SONAR, in the form of ASDIC, and passive detectors were both in service before Surcouf. France had a prototype ASDIC system in 1918.

Cheers, Neilster

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RE: The tragic fate of French Sub Surcouf 1942 - 10/12/2013 5:34:11 AM   
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She could surface at night, fire a few dozens shells and not hit a dambed thing unless she got really, really lucky.

She was a piece of junk; that's why they only built one of her.

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