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Dutch MTBs - 10/15/2013 11:45:56 PM   
jetjockey


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Status: offline 		Yes, Alice, they really are that bad...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Muntok at 50,90, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAKL Kaisyo Maru
xAKL Assam Maru
xAKL Bokuei Maru
xAKL Chosen Maru
PB Lushan Maru
xAKL Kokuei Maru
PB Taijin Maru
xAKL Hokuzan Maru

Allied Ships
TM-10
TM-11
TM-12
TM-13
TM-14, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
TM-15, Shell hits 1



Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 14,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
PB Lushan Maru engages TM-15 at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
TM-15 engages PB Taijin Maru at 5,000 yards
TM-13 engages xAKL Assam Maru at 5,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
PB Lushan Maru engages TM-13 at 6,000 yards
TM-13 engages xAKL Bokuei Maru at 6,000 yards
TM-13 engages xAKL Assam Maru at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
PB Lushan Maru engages TM-14 at 7,000 yards
TM-15 engages xAKL Chosen Maru at 7,000 yards
TM-15 engages xAKL Kaisyo Maru at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
TM-14 engages xAKL Kaisyo Maru at 5,000 yards
TM-12 engages PB Lushan Maru at 5,000 yards
TM-11 engages xAKL Hokuzan Maru at 5,000 yards
TM-12 engages xAKL Kokuei Maru at 5,000 yards
PB Lushan Maru engages TM-11 at 5,000 yards
TM-12 engages xAKL Bokuei Maru at 5,000 yards
TM-12 engages xAKL Kaisyo Maru at 5,000 yards
PB Taijin Maru engages TM-11 at 5,000 yards
PB Taijin Maru engages TM-14 at 5,000 yards
TM-15 engages xAKL Hokuzan Maru at 5,000 yards
TM-13 engages xAKL Assam Maru at 5,000 yards
TM-14 sunk by xAKL Kaisyo Maru at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
PB Taijin Maru engages TM-15 at 3,000 yards
PB Taijin Maru engages TM-11 at 3,000 yards
TM-15 engages xAKL Bokuei Maru at 3,000 yards
TM-15 engages xAKL Assam Maru at 3,000 yards
xAKL Hokuzan Maru , xAKL Kokuei Maru , xAKL Chosen Maru screened from combat
- escorted by PB Taijin Maru
TM-11 engages xAKL Kaisyo Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
xAKL Hokuzan Maru , xAKL Kokuei Maru , xAKL Chosen Maru ,
xAKL Bokuei Maru , xAKL Assam Maru screened from combat
- escorted by PB Taijin Maru
TM-15 engages xAKL Kaisyo Maru at 2,000 yards
TM-12 engages PB Taijin Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Taijin Maru engages TM-10 at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
xAKL Hokuzan Maru , xAKL Kokuei Maru , xAKL Chosen Maru ,
xAKL Bokuei Maru , xAKL Assam Maru screened from combat
- escorted by PB Taijin Maru
PB Lushan Maru engages TM-15 at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
PB Taijin Maru engages TM-13 at 12,000 yards
TM-11 engages PB Taijin Maru at 12,000 yards
TM-10 engages PB Taijin Maru at 12,000 yards
TM-15 engages xAKL Bokuei Maru at 12,000 yards
TM-15 engages xAKL Assam Maru at 12,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Muntok at 50,90, Range 19,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Sendai
DD Natsushio
DD Yukikaze
DD Amatsukaze
DD Hagikaze
DD Usugumo
PC Kaki

Allied Ships
TM-10, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
TM-11, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
TM-12, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
TM-13, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
TM-15, Shell hits 1, and is sunk



Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 21,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 19,000 yards
TM-15 sunk by DD Usugumo at 19,000 yards
TM-10 sunk by CL Sendai at 19,000 yards
Range closes to 16,000 yards
CL Sendai engages TM-12 at 16,000 yards
TM-12 sunk by DD Natsushio at 16,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
De Kruif H. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range closes to 12,000 yards
CL Sendai engages TM-13 at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
TM-13 sunk by DD Hagikaze at 10,000 yards
orders Allied TF to disengage
Range closes to 7,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
orders Allied TF to disengage
Range increases to 8,000 yards
TM-11 sunk by DD Natsushio at 8,000 yards
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...

< Message edited by jetjockey -- 10/27/2013 12:26:36 PM >
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RE: Dutch MTBs - 10/15/2013 11:57:08 PM   
wdolson

 

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Status: offline 		Their combat effectiveness is about on par with a fishing boat (an unarmed fishing boat).

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RE: Dutch MTBs - 10/16/2013 2:53:59 PM   
kbfchicago


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Status: offline 		Jet...man your not even given the dutch lads a fight'n chance! Have had some (small) success with these guys. Keys:

- attack at night. Low moonlight is best
- rotate leaders. Game starts you with "frank burns" types in charge


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RE: Dutch MTBs - 10/16/2013 9:00:23 PM   
jetjockey


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Status: offline 		Good advice chicago!

Rotate leaders -- check! Not much help there, though.

Night, moon light -- check! I must remember to pass that on to my Most Worthy Opponent; being a most obliging sort of fellow, I'm quite certain he will now refrain from any invasions during the day.

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RE: Dutch MTBs - 10/19/2013 12:41:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have had moderate, spotty, luck with them and the PT's in Manila too.

The moment they cross swords with a combat surface TF they are usually toast, but if you get a night engagement with a naked transport TF they can produce multiple torpedo hits against APs and AKs.

I'd like to think that running them into an invasion beach hex after the landing starts plays havoc with the opponent's timetable -- LCU's half unloaded and the convoy takes off because of the presence of the little MBT's.

I have low expectations with them, so maybe anything positive that happens is frosting on the cake.

I also set them to "Direct" and "Absolute" on the routing options screen, and always try to assign a commander that has a excess amounts of testicular fortitude.

Regards,
Feltan

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RE: Dutch MTBs - 10/19/2013 4:34:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I also set them to "Direct" and "Absolute" on the routing options screen, and always try to assign a commander that has a excess amounts of testicular fortitude.

i try for the ones who are about to die from steroid abuse.

rms/pa

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RE: Dutch MTBs - 10/19/2013 5:25:20 PM   
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quote:

I'm quite certain he will now refrain from any invasions during the day.


yea...ok. The technique is be close, 1-3 hexes away (mission speed) so the PTs/MTBs show up during the night phase for combat and not during the daylight. As Feltan noted, use most direct route to raise chances you don't get delayed and assure arrival under dark...or get cut to pieces at 19,000 yards with absolutely no chance to attack (PT/MTBs launch torps from about 2000 or less yards I believe) in the daylight as per your experience above.

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RE: Dutch MTBs - 10/19/2013 5:31:00 PM   
jetjockey


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Feltan

I have had moderate, spotty, luck with them and the PT's in Manila too.

The moment they cross swords with a combat surface TF they are usually toast, but if you get a night engagement with a naked transport TF they can produce multiple torpedo hits against APs and AKs.

I'd like to think that running them into an invasion beach hex after the landing starts plays havoc with the opponent's timetable -- LCU's half unloaded and the convoy takes off because of the presence of the little MBT's.

I have low expectations with them, so maybe anything positive that happens is frosting on the cake.

I also set them to "Direct" and "Absolute" on the routing options screen, and always try to assign a commander that has a excess amounts of testicular fortitude.

Regards,
Feltan


quote:

ORIGINAL: rms1pa

I also set them to "Direct" and "Absolute" on the routing options screen, and always try to assign a commander that has a excess amounts of testicular fortitude.

i try for the ones who are about to die from steroid abuse.

rms/pa


Both good suggestions, but my gripe has to deal with the quality of the raw materials available to work with, not the tactics used. I too have had much success with US PT boats using the posted tactics/strategies; these successes, though not universal, are frequent enough to cause my opponents pause. I despair though with the total lack of success using either Philippine PT boats or Dutch MTBs. The battle summaries listed don't reflect this, but if the respective replays are to be believed, my Dutch MTBs did not fire a single torpedo or gun despite having closed to within 2000 yards of a slow, fat AKL; heck, the skippers did not even draw their sidearms! I felt like a Polish Calvary Officer charging German Panzers, sabre drawn and Honor Intact!

As indicated in my first line, I am simply venting.

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RE: Dutch MTBs - 10/21/2013 12:59:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Phillipino PT boats can be just as vexing.

They have no decent commanders to place in them to ensure they have the backbone to make a charge.

I typically team them with the US boats with a US commander for the TF.

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RE: Dutch MTBs - 10/21/2013 5:00:30 PM   
crsutton


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Status: offline 		These were both daytime surface attacks vs ships with decent guns. Even the Japanese merchants have PT killing guns. What did you expect? PT and MTB boats are meant for night time attacks in very low moonlight. Use them this way and you will get results-especially vs merchant ships. Dutch PTs don't get very good commanders and never get radar but they have working torpedoes in 1942-unlike American PTs, and can do some damage.

You get the sighting and engagement range down to 1,000-2,000 yards and see what these boats can do. But that is not going to happen in daylight.

Invasions all have day and night phases. Make sure to set you PTs to mission speed, reaction range 1 and to retire after combat. Best to move them out of the invasion hex and attack from another base so that they will not get trapped into a daylight fight. If you have some planes around. (Not easy with the Allies in 41-42) put some naval search planes up at night and day to keep the detection level of the enemy TF at a higher level.

Later in the war Radar equipped PTs with working torpedoes working in conjunction with radar equipped night patrol planes can be a beautiful sight to behold.

If I recall, I damaged two CAs with PT torpedoes around the PI in the first week of the war. But that was over 1,200 turns ago so it is hard to remember.



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RE: Dutch MTBs - 10/23/2013 4:58:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		In middle of 42 I have pt's based at port Moresby and they have turned around numerous attempts by the IJN to attack the base. At night of course.
Cheers

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RE: Dutch MTBs - 10/23/2013 6:55:35 PM   
btbw

 

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Status: offline 		MTB 12 engages CA Maya at 2,000 yards
CA Maya, Torpedo hits 1

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RE: Dutch MTBs - 10/26/2013 7:29:37 PM   
jetjockey


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Status: offline 		Yes Alice, Dutch MTBs really are that bad. I don't care what Mildred says! I would be better off leaving them tied up in port so that when THAT day comes the crews can run into the jungle and join the resistance! Maybe.

BTW, this makes five engagements where the Dutch MTBs failed to fire a single gun or torpedo.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Denpasar at 58,108, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Tone
CA Chikuma
CL Kashima
DD Namikaze
PC Ashi
PC Sumire
APD Hagi, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DMS W-1
DMS W-7
DMS W-8
PB Busho Maru
PB Kaikei Maru
AK Sakura Maru
AK Sasako Maru
AK Ayatosan Maru
AK Amagisan Maru
xAP Kitano Maru
xAP Dairen Maru
CM Shirakami

Allied Ships
PT Q-111
PT Q-112
PT Q-113

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 12 (12 destroyed, 0 disabled)



Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway
Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 11,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru , AK Ayatosan Maru ,
AK Sasako Maru , AK Sakura Maru , xAP Dairen Maru ,
xAP Kitano Maru screened from combat
- escorted by CL Kashima , PC Sumire , PB Kaikei Maru
PB Busho Maru engages PT Q-113 at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru , AK Ayatosan Maru ,
AK Sasako Maru , AK Sakura Maru , xAP Dairen Maru ,
xAP Kitano Maru screened from combat
- escorted by PC Sumire , PC Ashi , DMS W-8
DMS W-7 engages PT Q-113 at 9,000 yards
DMS W-1 engages PT Q-113 at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
PT Q-112 engages DMS W-7 at 6,000 yards
DMS W-7 engages PT Q-111 at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
CM Shirakami screened from combat
DMS W-7 engages PT Q-113 at 4,000 yards
PT Q-113 engages DMS W-1 at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru , AK Ayatosan Maru ,
AK Sasako Maru , AK Sakura Maru , xAP Dairen Maru ,
xAP Kitano Maru screened from combat
- escorted by PC Sumire , PC Ashi , PB Kaikei Maru
PT Q-113 engages PB Busho Maru at 3,000 yards
APD Hagi sunk by PT Q-113 at 3,000 yards
Lazaga G. orders Allied TF to disengage
CM Shirakami screened from combat
DMS W-7 engages PT Q-113 at 3,000 yards
CL Kashima engages PT Q-113 at 3,000 yards
PC Sumire engages PT Q-113 at 3,000 yards
PB Busho Maru engages PT Q-113 at 3,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
DMS W-1 engages PT Q-113 at 10,000 yards
CL Kashima engages PT Q-113 at 10,000 yards
PT Q-113 engages AK Amagisan Maru at 10,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Denpasar at 58,108, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Tone
CA Chikuma
CL Kashima
DD Namikaze
PC Ashi
PC Sumire
DMS W-1
DMS W-7
DMS W-8
PB Busho Maru
PB Kaikei Maru
AK Sakura Maru
AK Sasako Maru
AK Ayatosan Maru
AK Amagisan Maru
xAP Kitano Maru
xAP Dairen Maru
CM Shirakami

Allied Ships
TM-4
TM-5
TM-6
TM-7
TM-8
TM-9, Shell hits 1, and is sunk



Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway
Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 10,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru , AK Ayatosan Maru ,
AK Sasako Maru , AK Sakura Maru , xAP Dairen Maru ,
xAP Kitano Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Namikaze , PC Sumire
DMS W-8 engages TM-9 at 10,000 yards
DMS W-7 engages TM-5 at 10,000 yards
DMS W-1 engages TM-8 at 10,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru , AK Ayatosan Maru ,
AK Sasako Maru , AK Sakura Maru , xAP Dairen Maru ,
xAP Kitano Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Namikaze , PC Ashi , PB Kaikei Maru ,
PB Busho Maru
CA Chikuma engages TM-9 at 10,000 yards
TM-8 engages DMS W-1 at 10,000 yards
DMS W-8 engages TM-7 at 10,000 yards
DMS W-1 engages TM-5 at 10,000 yards
DMS W-1 engages TM-8 at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru , AK Ayatosan Maru screened from combat
- escorted by PB Kaikei Maru
DMS W-8 engages TM-9 at 8,000 yards
CL Kashima engages TM-9 at 8,000 yards
TM-5 engages DMS W-8 at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
TM-9 sunk by CA Tone at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru , AK Ayatosan Maru ,
AK Sasako Maru , AK Sakura Maru , xAP Dairen Maru ,
xAP Kitano Maru screened from combat
- escorted by CL Kashima , DD Namikaze , PC Sumire ,
PB Kaikei Maru
TM-7 engages DMS W-7 at 8,000 yards
DMS W-8 engages TM-6 at 8,000 yards
TM-8 engages PB Busho Maru at 8,000 yards
DMS W-7 engages TM-5 at 8,000 yards
TM-5 engages DMS W-1 at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru , AK Ayatosan Maru ,
AK Sasako Maru screened from combat
TM-7 engages DMS W-1 at 10,000 yards
TM-6 engages DMS W-1 at 10,000 yards
DD Namikaze engages TM-8 at 10,000 yards
PC Sumire engages TM-8 at 10,000 yards
PB Busho Maru engages TM-8 at 10,000 yards
DMS W-1 engages TM-8 at 10,000 yards
TM-8 engages AK Sakura Maru at 10,000 yards
TM-8 engages xAP Dairen Maru at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru , AK Ayatosan Maru ,
AK Sasako Maru , AK Sakura Maru , xAP Dairen Maru ,
xAP Kitano Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Namikaze , PC Ashi
PB Busho Maru engages TM-8 at 9,000 yards
DMS W-8 engages TM-8 at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru , AK Ayatosan Maru ,
AK Sasako Maru , AK Sakura Maru , xAP Dairen Maru ,
xAP Kitano Maru screened from combat
- escorted by PC Sumire , PC Ashi
CA Chikuma engages TM-8 at 10,000 yards
CA Tone engages TM-8 at 10,000 yards
DMS W-7 engages TM-6 at 10,000 yards
DD Namikaze engages TM-6 at 10,000 yards
PB Busho Maru engages TM-8 at 10,000 yards
DMS W-7 engages TM-4 at 10,000 yards
DMS W-1 engages TM-8 at 10,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Denpasar at 58,108, Range 27,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Tone
CA Chikuma
CL Kashima
DD Namikaze
PC Ashi
PC Sumire
DMS W-1
DMS W-7
DMS W-8
PB Busho Maru
PB Kaikei Maru
AK Sakura Maru
AK Sasako Maru
AK Ayatosan Maru
AK Amagisan Maru
xAP Kitano Maru
xAP Dairen Maru
CM Shirakami

Allied Ships
PT Q-111
PT Q-112
PT Q-113



Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards
Range increases to 21,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 21,000 yards
Both TF attempt to withdraw!
Range increases to 27,000 yards...
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Namikaze
Both Task Forces evade combat


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Denpasar at 58,108, Range 24,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Tone
CA Chikuma
CL Kashima
DD Namikaze
PC Ashi
PC Sumire
DMS W-1
DMS W-7
DMS W-8
PB Busho Maru
PB Kaikei Maru
AK Sakura Maru
AK Sasako Maru
AK Ayatosan Maru
AK Amagisan Maru
xAP Kitano Maru
xAP Dairen Maru
CM Shirakami

Allied Ships
TM-4
TM-5
TM-6
TM-7, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
TM-8, Shell hits 1, and is sunk



Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 24,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 24,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru , AK Ayatosan Maru ,
AK Sasako Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Namikaze
CA Chikuma engages TM-8 at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 21,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru screened from combat
- escorted by PB Kaikei Maru
Range closes to 20,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards
CA Chikuma engages TM-8 at 18,000 yards
TM-8 sunk by CA Tone at 18,000 yards
orders Allied TF to disengage
Range closes to 17,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru , AK Ayatosan Maru ,
AK Sasako Maru screened from combat
- escorted by PC Ashi
TM-7 sunk by AK Sakura Maru at 17,000 yards
Range increases to 21,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru , AK Ayatosan Maru ,
AK Sasako Maru , AK Sakura Maru , xAP Dairen Maru ,
xAP Kitano Maru screened from combat
orders Allied TF to disengage
Range increases to 24,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru , AK Ayatosan Maru ,
AK Sasako Maru , AK Sakura Maru , xAP Dairen Maru ,
xAP Kitano Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Namikaze , PC Sumire , PB Busho Maru
Range increases to 28,000 yards
CM Shirakami , AK Amagisan Maru , AK Ayatosan Maru ,
AK Sasako Maru , AK Sakura Maru screened from combat
- escorted by CL Kashima , PB Kaikei Maru
Range increases to 30,000 yards
CA Chikuma engages TM-5 at 30,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Denpasar at 58,108, Range 25,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Tone
CA Chikuma
CL Kashima
DD Namikaze
PC Ashi
PC Sumire
DMS W-1
DMS W-7
DMS W-8
PB Busho Maru
PB Kaikei Maru
AK Sakura Maru
AK Sasako Maru
AK Ayatosan Maru
AK Amagisan Maru
xAP Kitano Maru
xAP Dairen Maru
CM Shirakami

Allied Ships
TM-4
TM-5
TM-6



Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range increases to 26,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 26,000 yards
Japanese ships attempt to get underway
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 26,000 yards
Both TF attempt to withdraw!
Range increases to 30,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat

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RE: Dutch MTBs - 11/3/2013 7:24:26 PM   
Grollub


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 17, 41
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Mersing at 51,82, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Kuri
PC Ashi
PB Shosei Maru
xAK Yamagiri Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
xAK Kikukawa Maru
xAK Asuka Maru
xAK Akagane Maru
xAK Taiko Maru, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
xAK Kinkai Maru
xAK Ume Maru
xAK Anzan Maru
xAK Yoneyama Maru
xAK Azuchi Maru
xAK Shikano Maru
xAKL Shinrei Maru
xAK Oyashima Maru, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAKL Tokuwa Maru
xAK Hirota Maru
xAKL Bunzan Maru

Allied Ships
PT TM-11
PT TM-13

Japanese ground losses:
105 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 72 (63 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)



Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 0% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
xAK Akagane Maru collides with xAK Anzan Maru at 51 , 82
PT TM-13 engages xAK Oyashima Maru at 1,000 yards
PT TM-11 engages xAK Oyashima Maru at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
xAK Hirota Maru , xAK Shikano Maru screened from combat
PT TM-13 engages xAK Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
PT TM-11 engages xAK Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
PT TM-13 engages xAK Yamagiri Maru at 2,000 yards
Cortlandt K. orders Allied TF to disengage
xAK Hirota Maru , xAK Shikano Maru , xAK Azuchi Maru ,
xAK Yoneyama Maru , xAK Anzan Maru , xAK Ume Maru ,
xAK Kinkai Maru , xAK Taiko Maru , xAK Akagane Maru ,
xAK Asuka Maru , xAK Kikukawa Maru , xAK Yamagiri Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Kuri , PC Ashi
DD Kuri engages PT TM-11 at 2,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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RE: Dutch MTBs - 11/3/2013 10:05:33 PM   
Don Bowen


Posts: 8183
Joined: 7/13/2000
From: Georgetown, Texas, USA
Status: offline 		Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 14,000 yards

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Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards

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Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards

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Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards

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Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards

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Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 0% moonlight: 1,000 yards




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RE: Dutch MTBs - 11/4/2013 12:13:58 AM   
jetjockey


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 14,000 yards

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Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards

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Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards

.....

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards

.....

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards

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Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards

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Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 0% moonlight: 1,000 yards





My Philippine PT boats seemed to have had no problem in these conditions; but, I suppose you are right, I should wait to deploy my Dutch MTBs till my opponent attacks during ideal conditions...

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RE: Dutch MTBs - 11/4/2013 12:21:01 AM   
spence

 

Posts: 5400
Joined: 4/20/2003
From: Vancouver, Washington
Status: offline 		Before they get radar PTs of any nationality are often toast if they run into IJ warships. I can't say I have any experience with using PTs later in the war so I can't comment on what happens when they do have radar.

I did have one game, where the PI PTs attacked at night AND in low moonlight in Dec and Jan against a couple of IJ Amphib forces escorted by DD's and (at some cost, 3 of 4 PTs sunk) managed to sink or seriously damage 3 IJ DDs, a DMS and 3 transports.

I've had an occasional success with the MTBs that start in Hong Kong too.

But the Dutch MTBs have never seemed to have accomplish anything in the game. IRL, some of them sailed through the Badoeng Strait while a battle was raging between two different Allied Surf TFs and two different IJN Amphib TFs, and claimed not to have seen or heard a thing...NOT their finest hour.

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RE: Dutch MTBs - 11/4/2013 5:10:30 AM   
Don Bowen


Posts: 8183
Joined: 7/13/2000
From: Georgetown, Texas, USA
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jetjockey


quote:

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 14,000 yards

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Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards

.....

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards

.....

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards

.....

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards

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Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards

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Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards

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Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 0% moonlight: 1,000 yards





My Philippine PT boats seemed to have had no problem in these conditions; but, I suppose you are right, I should wait to deploy my Dutch MTBs till my opponent attacks during ideal conditions...


Simply put, if PT boats engage in disadvantageous circumstances you can expect disadvantageous results. The game was programmed that way.

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