Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur


when a country is completely conquered, it is at peace with every body..

but what is the war status of that country after it is liberated.

there is nothing about it in the liberation rules

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Major powers and minor countries consist of a home country except for the Commonwealth which has 6 (the UK, Canada, India, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand). All references to major power home countries include all 6 Commonwealth home countries unless otherwise stated.

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

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ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur


when a country is completely conquered, it is at peace with every body..

but what is the war status of that country after it is liberated.

there is nothing about it in the liberation rules

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Liberated minor countries are aligned, and may co-operate, with the
liberating major power.

This means that liberated minor countries are at war with all countries that the liberating major power is at war with.
You are correct that there isn't anything in the rules concerning the at war status of a liberated major power. However, RAW also has this to say:

For the remainder of the game, the liberating major power controls the
liberated major power for all purposes.

This gives me the impression that the liberated major power, since it is being controlled by the liberating major power, is at war with all countries that the liberating major power is at war with. Sure, it is not stated as such in the rulebook, but it would be strange if the liberating major power has to DOW on behalve of the liberated major power all countries that it is already at war with...

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When France is liberated, Free France ceases to exist and all Free French units, and Territories become French. France is controlled by the liberating major power and is at war with all countries Free France was at war with. The France entry on the partisan table reverts to France (from occupied France).

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Example of France, which is a MP:

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When France is liberated, Free France ceases to exist and all Free French units, and Territories become French. France is controlled by the liberating major power and is at war with all countries Free France was at war with. The France entry on the partisan table reverts to France (from occupied France).

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For the remainder of the game, the liberating major power controls the liberated major power for all purposes.

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The liberated country also gains control of all its home country enemy controlled hexes not occupied by an enemy land or aircraft unit(s) or in the uncontested (by the liberating side) ZoC of an enemy land unit(s).
If you liberate the original home country of a conquered major power or minor country, it again becomes the home country for its units, replacing any alternative home country.
A liberated major power can co-operate (see 18.) with any major power that returns all eligible territory to it. If they could return territory but don’t, they can never co-operate with the liberated major power.

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

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For the remainder of the game, the liberating major power controls the liberated major power for all purposes.

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The liberated country also gains control of all its home country enemy controlled hexes not occupied by an enemy land or aircraft unit(s) or in the uncontested (by the liberating side) ZoC of an enemy land unit(s).
If you liberate the original home country of a conquered major power or minor country, it again becomes the home country for its units, replacing any alternative home country.
A liberated major power can co-operate (see 18.) with any major power that returns all eligible territory to it. If they could return territory but don’t, they can never co-operate with the liberated major power.

I think it's pretty clear that if a Major power which was completely conquered was liberated, it previously belongs to a side. The word side is mentioned 250 times in the rules, so it's pretty clear this is a game of sides, at least for those who have been conquered, because they had had to be at war with the other side.

So, this MP cooperates and is controlled by the Major Power that liberated it. To state that it is aligned is not written because its implicit since a MP belongs and is allied to a side.

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but what is the war status of that country after it is liberated.

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Ok, I resign.

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but what is the war status of that country after it is liberated.

For me, if a MP is controlled by another MP, is cooperating with that MP, belongs to the side of that MP and is, so, aligned with that MP, this means it's at war with the opposite side.

So it is totally about that issue, IMO.

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ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Ok, I resign.

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but what is the war status of that country after it is liberated.

For me, if a MP is controlled by another MP, is cooperating with that MP, belongs to the side of that MP and is, so, aligned with that MP, this means it's at war with the opposite side.

So it is totally about that issue, IMO.

1 just because a player controls many major powers, it does not mean that they are at war with the same.

2 and being on the same side does not mean they are at war with the same.

3 and MP cant be aligned to another MP

4 and cooperation have nothing to do with being at war with the same

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Still, it doesn't make sense that a liberated completely conquered major would be at peace - because that would mean the liberator would need to vacate the neutral major's territory I think. But maybe that's what's supposed to happen?

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13.7.5 Liberation
Conquered minor countries, major powers and Commonwealth home countries (and France after a Vichy government is installed) may not be conquered. Instead, the major power controlling its capital can liberate it during the peace step if that major power is from the other side to the major power that conquered it. You can’t be liberated in the same turn you were conquered (only possible in Italy’s case).

You can choose not to liberate a country that could be liberated. If you do that, the country suffers the effects of partisans as if it were marked in red on the Partisan table, until it is liberated (see 13.1 Partisans (option 46)).

When France is liberated, Free France ceases to exist and all Free French units, and Territories become French. France is controlled by the liberating major power and is at war with all countries Free France was at war with. The France entry on the partisan table reverts to France (from occupied France).

When China is liberated, the liberator may choose to revert each Chinese hex to the Communist or the Nationalist Chinese (some to one and some to the other).

Liberation effects
Return half of the liberated country’s units not currently in the game (by type, rounding fractions up) to its force pools (except France’s if Vichy was installed). Liberated minors’ units join the force pools of their liberating major power.

A liberated major power or minor country gets back control of all hexes it controlled at the start of the 1939 campaign game that are now controlled by the liberating major power. Other major powers on its side can give back such territory that they control.

If you liberate the original home country of a conquered major power or minor country, it again becomes the home country for its units, replacing any alternative home country.

A liberated major power can co-operate (see 18. Co-operation) with any major power that returns all eligible territory to it. If they could return territory but don’t, they can never co-operate with the liberated major power.

For the remainder of the game, the liberating major power controls the liberated major power for all purposes.

Reconquest
If the capital city of a liberated major power home country or minor country is later occupied by an enemy unit during a peace step, permanently remove all that country’s units from the game, even if it is liberated again later.

Reversion
You can return a hex or minor country you control to the major power that controlled it in 1939 during any liberation step. You may revert Chinese hexes to either the Communists or Nationalists. You can also return control of a minor country hex to that minor country. You can only return hexes or minor countries to a major power or minor country that is on your side and is not currently completely conquered.

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9.9 Multiple states of war
Because you can be at war with some major powers but not others, you will encounter cases where you are opposed by some units at war with you and by others that aren’t. This rule deals with those cases.

A unit may not enter or attack a hex (or units therein) controlled by a major power on the other side that it isn’t at war with. However it can attack a hex controlled by an enemy major power or minor country even if the hex contains units it is not at war with.

In attacking such a hex, you must fight all units there, but both sides ignore the fact that you may not be at war with all of them. This
means that each side could fly air missions to the hex and use shore bombardment etc. as if they were all at war.

You can only support an attack against units you control if the supporting units are the same nationality as the unit (or hex during
strategic bombardment) being attacked or at war with at least one major power or minor country attacking those units (or hexes).