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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/25/2013 2:27:48 PM

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I agree. I'm not a big fan of the Jack, not that it isn't a good plane (it is), but the George comes earlier and I prefer to focus on the Sam.

I always look at it and say: "If I take those R&D factories on the Jack and put them on the Sam instead I get the Sam x months sooner ..." Jack/George are pretty much interchangeable. Yeah, splittng hairs, maybe the Jack is a little better ... a little. But the Sam is crucial to getting the A6M off of the KB and that is a BIG deal. Until you have Sam, your KB is very vulnerable as the A6M cannot compete with the F6F. Putting R&D on the Jack means I am risking the KB for those extra few months ... irreplaceable KB CV's ... So, for me the answer is really simple ... George and Sam ... Or Jack and Sam ... but since I can get the George a few months earlier and that's a big deal also to me (4E stopper), George.

Take this as you want ... just my thoughts, YMMV.

A good argument if it's only for late war (aside from engines), but the Jack is very good for it's timeframe and offers what the George does earlier for all models. That's the difference. Getting the Sam early is great, but I've got it in late 44 and the Allies have had Corsairs on their CVs for months, which are already better than the Sam before it arrives. So I'd rather have the better Jacks earlier when they can make some difference, then try to have the Sam early enough that I still have some CVs left (which thankfully I do now). The engine is also huge, as the Ha-32 has less need through the war and there is more need for the Ha-45. So it's nice to have the Jack.

The Sam will not make as much impression on the CVs as it will on land though. It'll make it easy to standardize as it's better than any of the other airframes available now, and therefore I can just build that with a few of the others because I have the Ha-32 engines.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/25/2013 3:01:06 PM

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I agree. I'm not a big fan of the Jack, not that it isn't a good plane (it is), but the George comes earlier and I prefer to focus on the Sam.

I always look at it and say: "If I take those R&D factories on the Jack and put them on the Sam instead I get the Sam x months sooner ..." Jack/George are pretty much interchangeable. Yeah, splittng hairs, maybe the Jack is a little better ... a little. But the Sam is crucial to getting the A6M off of the KB and that is a BIG deal. Until you have Sam, your KB is very vulnerable as the A6M cannot compete with the F6F. Putting R&D on the Jack means I am risking the KB for those extra few months ... irreplaceable KB CV's ... So, for me the answer is really simple ... George and Sam ... Or Jack and Sam ... but since I can get the George a few months earlier and that's a big deal also to me (4E stopper), George.

Take this as you want ... just my thoughts, YMMV.

A good argument if it's only for late war (aside from engines), but the Jack is very good for it's timeframe and offers what the George does earlier for all models. That's the difference. Getting the Sam early is great, but I've got it in late 44 and the Allies have had Corsairs on their CVs for months, which are already better than the Sam before it arrives. So I'd rather have the better Jacks earlier when they can make some difference, then try to have the Sam early enough that I still have some CVs left (which thankfully I do now). The engine is also huge, as the Ha-32 has less need through the war and there is more need for the Ha-45. So it's nice to have the Jack.

The Sam will not make as much impression on the CVs as it will on land though. It'll make it easy to standardize as it's better than any of the other airframes available now, and therefore I can just build that with a few of the others because I have the Ha-32 engines.

Not following you here Erik ...

J2M2 = 2x20mm + 2x7.7mm
N1K1 = 4x20mm + 2x7.7mm

J2M3 = 4x20mm but 7 months later ...

I don't see how these are equivalent at all either in specs or what they do in game. Maybe you didn't face a lot of 4E's in early '43 ... but I always do and I need the George for those. J2M2 is no better than the A6M against the 4E's in my experience. Again, YMMV ....

Now, I freely give you that the later Jack's stats are a bit better than the George, but I've never really noticed the difference in game. And as for Ha-45 engines ... I start 3 factories on those 12/7/41 and once active expand the heck outta them. I know late war I will need a ton of these, so a large inventory of them is not an issue. If I can get 1500 in the pool by 1/44, great.

Truth is, this is all splitting hairs a bit. Either way works, but I would never run with both. Redundant, and that was one of the issue IJ had in the real war ... too many redundant programs. The allies could afford redundancy as it mitigated some risk. IJ should have focused more and taken a bit more risk. Most of their designs did work just fine.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/25/2013 3:56:39 PM

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I have to agree with PaxMondo. George is better if we look at firepower and arrival date(first two versions). But Obvert is also right. First what is see is arrival date and engine of J2M5.

This was reason why i focus on N1K line in my game, and that allow me to have N1K2 in 7/43 - two months before first Jack arriving.

I next game i will also focus on George but i also will commit 3-4 R&D factories to Jack.
For next game i will want to have N1K2 in summer `43 and J2M5 in early `44.

But we are talking now about my current game when some thing cant be changed.

First I will not be able to have N1K5 earlier that 12/44. I already have 8 R&D factories focused on SAM so with my experience with Frank and with engine bonus i decent chances that SAM will enter production in 1/45 maybe earlier. That make N1K5 not worth of researching. Why build George when in the same moment i can build much better Sam.

So i chose compromise. I focused on Gorge(N1K1 and N1K2) that give me decent SR2 fighter in middle of `43. Now i will R&D J2M5 to have it in summer `44. He will be available ~6 month before Sam. He is better from N1K5(marginal better) and using Ha-32 engine. Jack will not replec Gerorge i only want something better to support(only support not replace ) N1K2 before Sam. As i write earlier N1K2 will be main navy fighter until Sam. It will also remove some presure from Ha-45 and Ha-43 pool.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/25/2013 10:51:44 PM

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I'm just curious to see how everyone does these things slightly differently and how it turns out. That's the fun of playing this side really. You can get creative.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/26/2013 6:15:39 AM

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16 Sept 43

Burma
120 Japanese fighters sweep Magwe. Base was empty from 3 days. Or not. Intel was defiantly wrong. 75 enemy fighters P40, Hurricanaes IIc, F6F in CAP. Japan lost 40 planes and 25 pilots. Shotting down 35 enemy planes. After that only 15 Ki-49 try to destroy oil fields. Big disappointment because i ordered 120 bombers to strike. No oil hits. 12 bombers lost from flak and CAP(last 4 enemy fighters in air)

R&D
After analise what Pax and Obvert write and how my R&D and economy looks right now.
I decide and I convert 4 R&D factories from N1K5 to J2M3. J2M5 should enter production in June `44. Supplies spend to repair those factories will be saved when i will expending Ha-43 factories also i will need little less Ha-45 factories because i will shutdown some N1K2 factories when Jack will arrive

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/26/2013 6:24:34 PM

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From an Allied perspective I can add that I really don�t like facing the Jack. They often get above the sweeps which is bad mojo. The George of the other hand? One of the most mediocre planes to face. Even when they arrived they can�t do much if anything against allied fighters like the Corsair and P38. They are only good against unescorted allied 4Es and that will very seldom happen.

This is at least my experience. The J2M5 is (imo) one of the better Japanese planes while the George is just..."meh".

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/27/2013 4:04:39 AM

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From an Allied perspective I can add that I really don�t like facing the Jack. They often get above the sweeps which is bad mojo. The George of the other hand? One of the most mediocre planes to face. Even when they arrived they can�t do much if anything against allied fighters like the Corsair and P38. They are only good against unescorted allied 4Es and that will very seldom happen.

This is at least my experience. The J2M5 is (imo) one of the better Japanese planes while the George is just..."meh".

Interesting. How about the J2M5 or the A7M2?

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/27/2013 5:59:09 AM

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From an Allied perspective I can add that I really don�t like facing the Jack. They often get above the sweeps which is bad mojo. The George of the other hand? One of the most mediocre planes to face. Even when they arrived they can�t do much if anything against allied fighters like the Corsair and P38. They are only good against unescorted allied 4Es and that will very seldom happen.

In red most importans stats for me

This is at least my experience. The J2M5 is (imo) one of the better Japanese planes while the George is just..."meh".

Interesting. How about the J2M5 or the A7M2?

I hope that A7M2 will be better from J2M5, only week spot i find is maximal altitude.
N1K5 can climb at 39k it is more that F6F-3 when Jack and SAM are able to go 36/35k only. But when N1K5 arrive F6F-5 entering service and he can sweep at 40k. Also i don`t think N1K5 will manage to climb that high fast enough.

Edit: arrival dates are wrong i took picture from one of war room topics to show planes stats. they should be 45/9 45/1 45/9

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/27/2013 6:32:05 AM

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Interesting. How about the J2M5 or the A7M2?

I have only faced the Sam at one occasion where they got chewed up by Spit VIIs. So I don�t have much experience with it. But looking at the stats it seems like one of the better Japanese aircraft.

The slow speed will of course be an issue while I guess the poor range won�t matter much by the time it arrives. In all honestly I don�t think it changes much. By the time it arrives its too late to change anything.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/27/2013 6:36:42 AM

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Interesting. How about the J2M5 or the A7M2?

I have only faced the Sam at one occasion where they got chewed up by Spit VIIs. So I don�t have much experience with it. But looking at the stats it seems like one of the better Japanese aircraft.

The slow speed will of course be an issue while I guess the poor range won�t matter much by the time it arrives. In all honestly I don�t think it changes much. By the time it arrives its too late to change anything.

Biggest impact SAM will have on CV vs CV battles. He is much better from F6F-5 Hellcat(380mph) and when have good pilots he can dance with F4U-1A Corsair (417mph) with decent result.
So if Japanese player will still have KB and few good pilots when Sam show up it can spoil AFB day.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/27/2013 6:51:19 AM

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Biggest impact SAM will have on CV vs CV battles. He is much better from F6F-5 Hellcat(380mph) and when have good pilots he can dance with F4U-1A Corsair (417mph) with decent result.
So if Japanese player will still have KB and few good pilots when Sam show up it can spoil AFB day.

Well, by 9/44 the Corsair 1D kicks in with a 425 MPH speed. And also by now the allied side will have mostly 80+ EXP pilots on the CVs which is at least as good as the Japanese counterparts. And in all likelihood the allied side will actually have better pilots by then.

I just don�t see how it will change much. By late 44 the KB is well past its expiry date. With PDU ON all allied CV CAP fighters will be Corsairs and perhaps even some on escort duty. And we havn�t even looked at the numbers. How big is the KB in late 44? I counted around 1500 planes but I don�t know how accurate that is? The allied side is more than twice that. 3500 planes? It just doesn�t matter what fighter you have on the KB against that.

I may be totally wrong but I just don�t see the big impact. If the Sam arrived in late 43 or early 44 perhaps. But by mid 44 I just don�t think it will change anything.

Erik may prove me wrong though!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/27/2013 7:03:58 AM

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Biggest impact SAM will have on CV vs CV battles. He is much better from F6F-5 Hellcat(380mph) and when have good pilots he can dance with F4U-1A Corsair (417mph) with decent result.
So if Japanese player will still have KB and few good pilots when Sam show up it can spoil AFB day.

Well, by 9/44 the Corsair 1D kicks in with a 425 MPH speed. And also by now the allied side will have mostly 80+ EXP pilots on the CVs which is at least as good as the Japanese counterparts. If you take two equally good pilots and put them in a Corsair and a Sam the Corsair is going to win. And in all likelihood the allied side will actually have better pilots by then.

I just don�t see how it will change much. By late 44 the KB is well past its expiry date. With PDU ON all allied CV CAP fighters will be Corsairs and perhaps even some on escort duty. And we havn�t even looked at the numbers. How big is the KB in late 44? I counted around 1500 planes but I don�t know how accurate that is? The allied side is more than twice that. 3500 planes? It just doesn�t matter what fighter you have on the KB against that.

I may be totally wrong but I just don�t see the big impact. If the Sam arrived in late 43 or early 44 perhaps. But by mid 44 I just don�t think it will change anything.

Erik may prove me wrong though!

Ok. But Japanese player not need to win CV battle it will be probably last battle of KB in war. During it most of Japanese CV will be lost. But if he in return will take some CV with it and damage even more ships he will buy time. and time is probably only thing worth something for Japan.

Sam is only tool to major goal. He give some better chances comparing to unarmored 350mph A6M.

You looking to CV battle from allied perspective for Japan it is selling territory for higher passable price. Remember also that You and me we both playing under beta patch. Beta make LBAs less effective but it is not touching CV strike coordination. And wee all need to remember. There is not such thing like impenetrable CAP. Even 1000 plane CAP will not hold 800+ coordinated plane strike. Something will alvey get trugh. Add to that LBA support. Some bad dice roles. JFB wet dream

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/27/2013 7:21:02 AM

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Hehe, well you are right about that. But I have found that even using CVs getting coordinated strikes is near impossible. I only managed one "perfect strike" against a couple of CAs. Whenever Erik and I have gotten into CV clashes everything flies all over the place. Usually its one semi big package followed by lots and lots of smaller and usually unescorted strikes. So I doubt you will see a 800 coordinated CV strike.

I found this in my AAR btw. This was the Allied CV fleet in early/mid 44. I had two US Fleet CVs in the yard and lost another 6 US CVs in 42. So with an intact allied CV fleet you would have to add 8x90 planes = 720

Corsairs: 375
Hellcats 622
DB: 378
TB: 372

That would total about 2500 CV planes. Not sure how many of the CVEs are included in the numbers as I didn�t mention it in the post. Many but not all of them if I remember correctly.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/27/2013 8:04:08 AM

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Hehe, well you are right about that. But I have found that even using CVs getting coordinated strikes is near impossible. I only managed one "perfect strike" against a couple of CAs. Whenever Erik and I have gotten into CV clashes everything flies all over the place. Usually its one semi big package followed by lots and lots of smaller and usually unescorted strikes. So I doubt you will see a 800 coordinated CV strike.

I found this in my AAR btw. This was the Allied CV fleet in early/mid 44. I had two US Fleet CVs in the yard and lost another 6 US CVs in 42. So with an intact allied CV fleet you would have to add 8x90 planes = 720

Corsairs: 375
Hellcats 622
DB: 378
TB: 372

That would total about 2500 CV planes. Not sure how many of the CVEs are included in the numbers as I didn�t mention it in the post. Many but not all of them if I remember correctly.

I know that in `44 allies have numbers and quality but it is nice to dream about equal battle against allies in late `44. It is nice to have dream, it is only thing allowing us to play.

Every time i get new plane my hart is telling me that this plane will change war.
My brain know that it will not, but he sit quiet to not kill hope.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/27/2013 8:09:40 AM

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I know that in `44 allies have numbers but it is nice to dream about equal battle agains allies in late `44. It is nice to have dream

Haha, indeed it is!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/29/2013 9:50:19 AM

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Scrap of old planes.

Something like week ago i upgrade last lats Ki-44IIa Tojo unit to newest fighter model
In my game i have on option to scrap planes that have at lest 100 planes in pool and there is no unit currently flying or units that will arrive and is inn oob set to use that model.

For me that good because i was not planing to use Ki-44IIa Tojo anymore but i writing this as a warning for those who plan to stock planes to use them as kamikaze. Remember to have at lest one unit flying that model or at lest one unit using that model must be planed as reinforcements

Look guys what have happen week ago.
difference in numbers of planes and engines is probably because also some "of map" Tojo's where scraped before they where added to plane pool.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/29/2013 1:42:36 PM

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Yeah, I've been very careful about that, but this makes me think I should get my early model Tojos scrapped to have some of the Ha-34 in the pools and make some Tojo IIc n the cheap.

I had turned them off thinking they were done, but I noticed later that they seemed to perform well in the middle layer of a stacked CAP. Maybe the combo of climb, speed and maneuver. Seemed in the middle layer at 20k they were able to avoid being hit by the first dives and then climb into the battle after.

Maybe I should scrap some G2M2 and early Sally models to use those engines. The early 1E could go as well. I had forgotten that the engines were recycled.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/29/2013 2:09:18 PM

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I wiil do that with D3A1. I have over 400 in pool and only 30 in units. I will upgrade that last unit to D4Y1 and that should give me over 400 Ha-33 engines that i will use to produce D4Y3 when it enter production in next week.

As for G3M2 i have zero in pool. I using it as search plane. the same as G4M1.
I am losing some of planes every turn mostly in Salomons where allies have lots of fighters.
So in few weeks i will switch to G3M3

Only 2E navy bombers in production are G3M3(search) and later P4Y2(combat). I will not build late G4M versions or Okha versions of those bombers(because of data base bug in scenario 1 there is no Okha in production)

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 9/29/2013 3:53:13 PM

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20 Sep 43

Mostly quiet day.
I win another battle in Burma. I will be happy if it was not against chines units.

Ground combat at 64,45 (near Paoshan)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12808 troops, 66 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 486

Defending force 3529 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 109

Allied adjusted assault: 35

Japanese adjusted defense: 256

Allied assault odds: 1 to 7

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker: disruption(-), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
269 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1397 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 152 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
18th Chinese Corps
54th Chinese Corps

Defending units:
124th Infantry Regiment

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 10/8/2013 5:39:20 AM

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28 Sep 43
Sorry for lack of updates. Again.
There is so much work that in last weeks i working 50-60h on week.
I working in my company for over 6 years now and even before 2009 crisis there was not so much work like now.
Plus i start preparing my self to run half marathon in next year. My goal is 20km below 2h and without hart attack.

Burma
Situation is stable. My boys hold line in north. Damn i even manage to cut of 400AV in Lasio. Tomorrow my tanks will capture last hex side and allies are going to be cut of.
I will bomb, bomb and hope that lack of supplies and bombs will make some damage before Docup will send cavalry

In South part of front i also holding but Docup have there much bigger forces.

All bases are behing forts 6. Ranggon is building up to 7.

DEI.
Quiet.

Salomons.
Situation is stable from weeks. I see some troops arriveing to area. Also there is more ships in area. Last turn i detect enemy TF south of Milne Bay. Intel is showing CV but no planes. I sending some subs and focusing more serch planes on that area.

Marianas.
Bulding forts and airfields. Everything as planed.

China
Stable situation. I capture north china.

KB
All CV and CVL waiting to action. In 10 days two last CVs will arrive in Japan and KB will be able to send 1300+ planes in air. For next 3-4 months it still will be more that allies can have. Navy Pilots pools look good. I still have 250 80+XP and 350 70+XP fighter pilots. Bomber pilots are also ok. 40% of KB bomber pilots is elite one. 40% is 60-70 XP last 20% is in high 50.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 10/10/2013 6:48:09 AM

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Burma
Usual daily bombing rides for both sides. Enemy troops in Lasio surrounded but I see tank unit marching with help toward them. Not good but cutting of troops in Lasio buy me week or more time.

Salomon's & DEI
Quiet. I see some new bombers in bases ~ Milne bay.

R&D
D4Y3 advance to 10/43 and will enter production in 48h
Ki-84r Frank advance to 1/45 still 3 months until will start production in January 44

KB
I moving some air groups toward KB anchor. I found that i still have 90 free plane slots on CVLs that i can use. I plan to have 400 fighters 350 DB and 350TB ready to action in 48h. and 126 more planes in 10 days. I restart production of A6M5. Pools drop below 150 planes. Also DB pools are low. Only 200 D4Y1 in pool after i upgrade last DB unit to Judy. Val bombers scraped giving me 350 free engines.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 10/11/2013 4:56:52 PM

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30 SEPT - 1 OCT 43

Burma
I detect enemy cargo ships sailing toward Rammre Island probably to unload supplies.
I decide to send CL TF to intercept.
When i saw combat animation i was sure i already lost. Bug god of war was Japanese that day.
Thunderstorm hide approaching JApnise ships and they achieve supprise at 3000 yards.
Long lance attack hit enemy cruiser and destroyer removing them from battle. In summary i exchange old CL for CA and DD. Not bad.
We are still in hex with enemy but order is to retreat and avoid battle.

Day Time Surface Combat, near Ramree Island at 54,48, Range 3,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Nagara, Shell hits 15, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Naganami, Shell hits 7, heavy fires
DD Akatsuki, Shell hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
CA Shropshire, Shell hits 3
CA Frobisher, Shell hits 17, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
DD Norman, Shell hits 7, heavy fires
DD Racehorse, Shell hits 6, on fire
DD Relentless, Shell hits 2
DD Rotherham, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Burma
Enemy is unloading in Lae. I will not try to intercept. I saw Australian ID, another brigade and lot of tanks.
Lea is abandoned by me months ago. I will not engage anything south of New Britain. Docup can have that base.

Because i dont want to give free pass to Docup around Lae and i saw much more bombers in area that usual i decide to try another CAP trap. It go well. For lose of few planes and 3 pilots I shot down over 120 enemy planes. None of enemy bombers get trough

I am also happy because all pilots used by me where low 50XP ones. They build lot of XP today.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Gasmata at 103,129

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 62 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 104
N1K2-J George x 100
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 16
Ki-84a Frank x 34

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 17
FM-1 Wildcat x 18
F6F-3 Hellcat x 23
SBD-5 Dauntless x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 7 destroyed
FM-1 Wildcat: 5 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 10 destroyed
SBD-5 Dauntless: 15 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Gasmata at 103,129

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 82
N1K2-J George x 91
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 16
Ki-84a Frank x 31

Allied aircraft
SBD-5 Dauntless x 20

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 14 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Gasmata at 103,129

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 63 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 100
N1K2-J George x 100
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 16
Ki-84a Frank x 34

Allied aircraft
SBD-5 Dauntless x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 5 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Gasmata at 103,129

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 80
N1K2-J George x 60
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 12
Ki-84a Frank x 25

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 23

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 16 destroyed

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 10/12/2013 9:49:09 PM

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I just return home after 5h poker game.
I am playing with my friends two times in month. We are playing Texas Hold'em

Half of game. I lost 60% of my initial money(i start with 10$)
I am on small blind. I get two card and i get Ace and King clubs. Strong card.
All players checking and after flop a almost piss my pants. 10, JAck and Queen clubs.
Royal flash after only 5 cards. chance for that is 1:650000.
Other player have also some good card and all playing. I win almost all maney that was in game during night.

I made picture but light as bad

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 10/12/2013 9:50:59 PM

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 10/12/2013 9:53:00 PM

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Woohoo! That is rare! Especially at the right time, when you can use it! Well played.

Don't tell Docup. He may just stop the game now.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 10/13/2013 2:42:07 AM

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Wow! Congrats! When I come to Konin, I will let you buy the first drink!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 10/14/2013 7:22:11 PM

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3 Oct 43

Burma
CL Kinu near Ramree eat two torpedoes ending day with 87 flood damaged. Heavy enemy SAG spooted in Akyab(CAs maybe BBs). I ordered to leave Kinu behind without escort i will not risk ships when Kinu is already lost. Damage is just to big. BANZAI for CL Kinu

Bhamo hold another enemy attack. One maybe two days and base will fall

Salomon's
Lae fall. Japanese troops retreat to jungle.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 10/14/2013 7:32:22 PM

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That is a crazy hand. Only seen it in poker once before! Congrats. Chances are you won�t do that again!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 10/17/2013 5:11:50 PM

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4-5 Oct 43

Burma
CL Kinu sunk

Salomons
Lae fall, all troops wipe out.

Night bombing
Docup change tactic and he start attacking my AFs with 2E bomber at 100ft.
So far it cost him 5 bomber for 19 planes destroyed on ground

Kido Butai
Today we reach apogee of KB power. Last carrier arrive today. We reach capacity 1156 planes. We are flying A6M5/B6N2/D4Y3. Currently KB is build from:

15 CV
5 CVL
3 BB
8 CA
1 CS
3 CL
2 CLAA
40 DD

I have a question what proportion of F/DB/TB will be better. Should i go for more figters or maybe focus more on dive bombers. What do You think????

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 10/19/2013 2:07:39 PM

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I go for between 40% - 45% fighters if the KB will be fighting on its' own. If I will have LBA assisting, then I increase the fighter proportion. So it kinda depends. And after about 6/43 I won't risk the KB against allied CV's without LBA until I get SAM because the A6M cannot defend the KB. I have to have Tojo/Frank/George overhead of the KB until Sam. OF course, by the time I get Sam, the allies usually outnumber the IJ KB so badly I still can't pit the KB against without LBA.

So to really answer your question, I put 50% - 75% fighters on the KB depending upon how much and what type of LBA I have assisting. The reason is that most of the IJ fighters are short legged and cannot escort and they are flying from behind the KB. So, I have to put the KB fighters on escort and hope the LBA and KB fighters will marry up ... of course I lose a lot of LBA bombers, but that is what they are for.

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