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Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 2:40:12 PM   
Dabrion


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Status: offline 		Hello there, we want to evaluate MWiF as an option for our online gaming. I find it extremely hard to compile valid and current information from this forum. Could you please point me to the FAQ / Wiki?

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 2:53:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Could you be more spacific as to what you are looking for in a FAQ/Wiki?

A "how to", rules explanations, or etc.



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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 2:58:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm... I know there are some fan sites of varying degrees of updatedness and comprehensiveness (e.g. Patrice Forno's WiF site, the "Capital WiF" site on wikidot, and a few others which can be found by Google search or are linked to on ADG's website). And there's the Yahoo!Groups email list and this forum.

However, I am not certain if a better-organized online compendium of all things WiF exists at present. Perhaps others can help more easily than I can.

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 3:10:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do not require information on WiF in general, we have multiple copies of the complete kit. I am after information about _M_WiF. Esp. the online mode of play with multiple (that reads as four in our case) players; the price; the mod'ability; [endless list]. A diff-like approach to to MWiF <-> RAW7.

I just feel these questions have been answered already and there should be a place to read up on everything(tm) in one place spending about 15 minutes.

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 6:21:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dabrion

I do not require information on WiF in general, we have multiple copies of the complete kit. I am after information about _M_WiF. Esp. the online mode of play with multiple (that reads as four in our case) players; the price; the mod'ability; [endless list]. A diff-like approach to to MWiF <-> RAW7.

I just feel these questions have been answered already and there should be a place to read up on everything(tm) in one place spending about 15 minutes.


The initial release is only 1vs1 online multiplayer via the matrix server. They are planning to introduce more than 2 player online gaming relatively quickly...I think I've seen an estimate of 3 months.

No price yet. I have seen others ask about modability, don't recall ever seeing a response that answers definitively. Don't know what you mean by MWiF - RAW7...


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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 6:48:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it would be impossible to include everything that people are curios about. Like others suggest, if you have a question there are many people here that can answer specific items.

This may be of help for one of your questions though. Steve has posted this elsewhere but I can't seem to find it.






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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 6:52:26 PM   
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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 6:59:18 PM   
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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 7:09:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why would it be impossible to include everything people would be interested in in one place?

Everything I read here indicates that MWiF will not be an adequate multiplayer platform for WiF. 1v1 hotseat only, no board game maps, the 8bit 1990's Delphi app look .. all are a moderate downturn so for me. More so I cannot see how this would be an improvement over our current platform: vassalengine.

I will wait until there is a demo or someone does a let's play video of multiplayer online gaming.

Thanks,
Phil

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 7:43:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Netplay is also available so that you can play against someone. Although only 1 vs 1 at release.

Just wondering why you care about the game using the board game maps versus a unified scale that covers the entire world? To me that would be a far superior solution than the maps in the board game.

There are also several AARs in the forums already that give detailed discriptions on how the game looks and plays.

But if you would rather stay with vassel, then go for it

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 7:50:39 PM   
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Why would it be impossible to include everything people would be interested in in one place?


O.K. Maybe improbable is a better word.

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More so I cannot see how this would be an improvement over our current platform: vassalengine.


I've never used Vassal for WiF. I'm pretty new to the system. But I have used vassal quite a bit for ASL and while vassal accomplishes what was not available before, the second that someone would make an ASL game that not only enforced the rules, but made the whole process so much easier to execute, I would jump all aver it. Here soon, after the release, I'm sure that players who have played WiF on Vassal will chime in on their experiences between the two.

Take care,
Eric

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 8:26:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I went ahead and looked into the vassal wif. You were saying something about graphics? The Murat sure is one awesome ship though. Has a great land movement rate.




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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 8:29:47 PM   
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Why would it be impossible to include everything people would be interested in in one place?


Perhaps it would help if it were more clear what "everything people would be interested in" is more carefully defined?

Are you talking about "differences between MWiF and WiF:FE"?

Are you talking about product features of the sort that Matrix might reasonably display on their product page?

Are you talking about a "one-stop" "MWiF-pedia"?


quote:

Everything I read here indicates that MWiF will not be an adequate multiplayer platform for WiF. 1v1 hotseat only


The bolded section is an incorrect statement of fact; the un-bolded section is an incorrect inference or "framing" from what is given from the facts.

In his response gridley noted the game comes with 1v1 online play.

On release MWiF has:
- solitaire play
- hotseat play
- 2-player Netplay

This will be extended to include up to 6-player Netplay, solo vs. AI, and multiplayer PBEM.


quote:

no board game maps


I confess I cannot see how this is an inadequacy. CWiF, MWiF's predecessor, was commissioned by ADG and includes a unified map scale. From that (and from other scuttlebutt I have read or heard) we can infer that the official computer game version of WiF was conceived by ADG as having a single global map on a unified scale, rather than maps matching those of the boardgame.


The remainder of your comment, save the very end, appears to consist of "in my opinion" statements, and thus can have no sensible response except for others' statements of their opinions. (Such as, for example, me stating that I find the map and counters aesthetically appealing and functionally serviceable).


quote:

I will wait until there is a demo or someone does a let's play video of multiplayer online gaming.


An excellent decision, and indeed one I would recommend to anyone who is uncertain about purchase.

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 8:40:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		and a MWiF screen with just some random windows pulled up.




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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 8:48:32 PM   
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I will wait until there is a demo or someone does a let's play video of multiplayer online gaming.


I hope you do reconsider once that time comes and it meets your multiplayer requirements. You are the exact player that is beneficial to growing the pool of future opponents online, a pool that is already pretty niche.

If you have any more questions fire away.

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 8:49:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually the high res screenshots look a lot better!

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 8:52:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dabrion

Actually the high res screenshots look a lot better!


I'm sorry I don't understand. Can you explain?

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 9:07:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dabrion

Actually the high res screenshots look a lot better!

I added the Berlin militia counter in the upper left.




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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 9:12:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dabrion

Actually the high res screenshots look a lot better!


I'm sorry I don't understand. Can you explain?


The (high resolution) screenshot of MWiF you just posted looks a lot better than others I have seen before. Probably due to jpeg artifacts and such.

The vassalengine module you tried there module that you can download from the module page. We have another with counters from WiF compendium CD. Anyhow, visual appreciation is entirely subjective in the end..

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 9:25:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, it actually shows up better than what my screen captures display. I have to admit that my wif module is probably dated a bit. Anyway, good luck and check back often.

Steves screen shows up much better than mine.

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/5/2013 9:40:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually I agree that creating a wiki for MWiF would be a great idea. It could include the game rules (easy to search and follow links) and discussions about the rule in the same web page where the rule is.

Imagine that you have a doubt about, let's say, rule 15.2.3. You could simply look at the rule in the wiki, and read or post in the discussion of the rule instead of scanning through thousand of threads, where discussions are mixed with fun posts, AAR, etc.

Those who say it can't be accomplished... come on guys, we have Wikipedia right? This ain't going to be bigger!

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/6/2013 12:22:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Buy why? All the rules are are imbeded in the game with their explaination. This is NOT a normal computer game in any sense of the word. So anytime you have a question, you can use the in-game tools to get an answer.

Of course if someone really thinks a Wiki is needed, someone will make it (not me ). I would suggest that you wait for the release before asking for something that I personally think is not needed given the rules content already embedded into the game directly.

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/6/2013 1:25:42 AM   
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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/6/2013 7:41:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I forgot about the rules in-game.

On the other side I was thinking about the discussion on the rules. There's a Group in Yahoo! with thousands of posts about people discussing about the interpretation of the Rules and how they work... but then I've just thought... you don't have to argue about the interpretation of the rules as the computer does that for you...



Then the need is not that big, true. Still could be interesting, but as you say. somebody who really needs it, should start it. (I don't know why the board players haven't started it already...).

Still, I think a FAQ is absolutely necessary as there are many people asking again and again:

- How much does it cost
- When the AI will be and if will be free or not
- when Netplay for 6 players
- PBEM
- and so...

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/6/2013 1:45:42 PM   
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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/6/2013 2:32:17 PM   
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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/6/2013 2:54:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		True, but although in this forum many questions on rules of WIF and MWIF alterations have been answered, I guess the mail list, whose existence is dedicated to solving WIF rules questions is more adequated and whereas here you have ocassional threads on rules, all the threads of the mail list are on that.

Plus, many of the questions are on weird situations only after years in a rules mail list with hundreds (at least) of followers and thousands of games can happen.

Some of them have had to be brought to Harry for an interpretations, and some of them have merited changes or/and exceptions in rules, new clarifications or text modification on rules, in order to explain better.

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/6/2013 2:58:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well since there is already a huge body of knowledge about the board game on various sites, I see even less need for something specific for the computer version. Since it is an almost EXACT copy of the board game (just a few minior differences).

But like I said if someone thinks there is a need, someone will create it. But I predict that it will lie fallow in a short amount of time

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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/6/2013 3:53:13 PM   
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True, but although in this forum many questions on rules of WIF and MWIF alterations have been answered, I guess the mail list, whose existence is dedicated to solving WIF rules questions is more adequated and whereas here you have ocassional threads on rules, all the threads of the mail list are on that.

Plus, many of the questions are on weird situations only after years in a rules mail list with hundreds (at least) of followers and thousands of games can happen.

Some of them have had to be brought to Harry for an interpretations, and some of them have merited changes or/and exceptions in rules, new clarifications or text modification on rules, in order to explain better.

There was a compilation of all the questions asked of and answered by Harry Rowland several years ago. MWIF encodes all his decisions at that time; there were ~400. In the Rules as Coded manual, those corrections and clarifications are included and noted as such.




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RE: Wiki/Faq? - 11/6/2013 5:21:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		If there is one thing this kind of discussion forum (or email discussion lists, for that matter) does not handle well, it is having the information contained therein being easily accessible without having to dig through piles of archives (made all the worse if you are not particularly skilled at web or forum searches).

A wiki-style page could have FAQs, strategy tips/tricks, etc., organized and presented in an easily accessible, easy-to-find, and easy-to-read format (so, say, more in line with the MWiF Player's Manuals than the WiF:FE rulebooks or the plaintext emails).

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