mind_messing
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The idea that "some laws and agreements can be stupid and harmfull" might just be a tad too "out-there" for the mindset of many in here.
And this is exactly where you fail to understand. Whether the law is harmful or not is not the topic.
You are battling windmills, Robin. And you are too entangled in your shiny white armor to notice. Bye.
I understand the issue perfectly. I fear you just do not want to address the arguement.
1. Helping the OP to decompile the code is illegal.
2. Decompiling the code is illegal.
These things are fairly much indisputable.
You want to argue that what a person does in the comfort of his own home is allowable. While in most cases I have no problem with the personal freedom slant you suggest. This is not one such case. The code breaker must understand that due to 1 & 2 they are not going to receive any assistance here. Also, personal freedoms do not abrogate 1&2.
It's not so much the "personal freedom" slant as it is the "idiotic software laws". Exact replication of software and minor modification of software for resale it clearly illegal, I don't argue that in the slightest. The more fuzzy issues come when things like software patents and such come in to play, ugh.
EULA's and such always seem very much out of place. You purchase a product, and then you're limited by what you can do with said product, even though it is, through purchase, yours. Agreeing not to replicate or modify it for the purpose of making profit, nor abuse it and so forth is perfectly fine. Preventing outright access to parts of it, less so.
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Furthermore, as a fellow PBEM player (yes I read a bit of your AAR), you should understand the game is based on trust. The community concern of having exe's out there that would change that dynamic would cause problems. Not so long ago a German player was doing something similar with the save file or code iirc.
Moreover, while personal freedoms are being touted here, it is not really a personal freedom issue. In any social contract freedoms are subverted to the good of the whole. The social contract of playing this game IMHO is trust. Helping someone do that wouldn't be right in my book.
I have the feeling that the whole fear of the code being exploited is the root concern, rather than people's diehard adherance to such a vital topic as EULA's. While I understand the concern, we've what, one incident out of how many thousands of players? One example is bad statistics, and if the code was easily comprehendible, I'm sure we'd have some indication of a wider spread problem.
Then again, perhaps we do, and nobody else has been caught out yet.
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You may disagree with all I have said and that is your right to do so....
No, you make a good point about the trust-base that PBEM gameplay depends on. It was something I hadn't considered that beforehand, even though if you're going to go in to the game's code to cheat, you're going to do it regardless if you get help or not.
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Good luck with your PBEM, I'll drop by sometime.
You'd be welcome, my fears swing between a black-hole appearing in the economy spreadsheet and Burma!
< Message edited by mind_messing -- 11/24/2013 4:25:54 PM >
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WitP AE language - 
you have been a bad boy...
(this is not an ad hominem). Just don't expect me to answer as this topic needs to die. 
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