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People not wanting the manuals - 11/15/2013 11:39:59 PM

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Having just gotten mine, I really feel soory for those that think reading this on an eReader is the same thing. I'm glad you you think doing so is better for you, but I am serious in saying you really do not know what you are missing.

I have spend the entire day sitting in a comfortable chair just reading these wonderful books. I also have an iPad I could have been reading on while I waited for these, but I chose not to. I am very glad I waited and used that time to waitch the videos and go thriough the interactive ones. While I love my iPad and love having all my books, etc. available on it, it does not really convey the scope of the game the way the manuls do.

So if you you REALLY don't want the manuals I'm glad you are ok with that. If on the other hand you think the PDF is just as good, I have to tell you that you are totally wrong. And yes I know you can search and set bookmarks, etc. in a PDF, but it is my opnion that this still pales in comparison to using these manulals.

This is an amazing job by Matrix. I just wish every game, like WitP AE, WitE,

, could be treated this way.

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I wanted to add that this post is not meant to pick on people that live in areas where the shipping costs make getting the books very expensive, like New Zealand as an example. I totally understand the cost issues involved there. But if shipping costs are NOT too high, then my comments above are how I feel

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 12:41:35 AM

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To each is own. I get that people would have preferred a choice. Such as, a lower price point if you do not want the books. Personally, without seeing the books I would have gone for the lower price. However, now that I have the books if given the choice I would take the books over a lower priced digital only option. They are extremely high quality and very easy to read. I'm glad I got them and when taken into consideration what I paid, I think it's a deal.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 1:38:05 AM

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The issue is not about wanting the manual. The issue is that sending the manuals to me here in Australia has added $47.00 AUD to the cost. While I am happy to pay $113.99 for the game (even for the download alone), the addition of a 40% premium (paid to a courier company not Matrix) made it the most expensive game I have ever bought by a fair margin. US customers paying a fifth of that are probably less concerned, but a $160.00 game purchase was a fairly hard sell to my wife.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 2:11:49 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Numdydar

Having just gotten mine, I really feel soory for those that think reading this on an eReader is the same thing. I'm glad you you think doing so is better for you, but I am serious in saying you really do not know what you are missing.

I have spend the entire day sitting in a comfortable chair just reading these wonderful books. I also have an iPad I could have been reading on while I waited for these, but I chose not to. I am very glad I waited and used that time to waitch the videos and go thriough the interactive ones. While I love my iPad and love having all my books, etc. available on it, it does not really convey the scope of the game the way the manuls do.

So if you you REALLY don't want the manuals I'm glad you are ok with that. If on the other hand you think the PDF is just as good, I have to tell you that you are totally wrong. And yes I know you can search and set bookmarks, etc. in a PDF, but it is my opnion that this still pales in comparison to using these manulals.

This is an amazing job by Matrix. I just wish every game, like WitP AE, WitE, , could be treated this way.

I can't imagine anybody bought this game just for the manuals.

Most of us bought it for the computer game so as we can finally play a full game through to completion. Of course, a deluxe hard-bound book is a much better reading experience than an i-pad/e-reader experience but I honestly don't care about that. I paid my money to play the game.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 4:35:36 AM

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If on the other hand you think the PDF is just as good, I have to tell you that you are totally wrong.

Really? Do you also want to tell me what my favorite color should be, what TV shows I should watch, and while we're at it, what wargames I should play? No thanks, I think I'll keep making my own decisions.

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar
This is an amazing job by Matrix. I just wish every game, like WitP AE, WitE, , could be treated this way.

Great idea, and maybe Matrix could us make us buy buggy-whips with every game as well? You know, really nice leather ones, braided and supple, its a shame no one uses them anymore.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 8:01:03 AM

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Having just gotten mine, I really feel soory for those that think reading this on an eReader is the same thing. I'm glad you you think doing so is better for you, but I am serious in saying you really do not know what you are missing.

Well, I had a specialist printer convert the manuals to papyrus scrolls. I can tell you, you have not experienced reading until you have read something on a scroll. It leaves that new fangled codex technology for dead. Also, I had it translated into Klingon, a proper martial language - I feel sorry for those that are reading it in mealy-mouthed English.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 11:19:53 AM

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I've got first batch of clay tablets drying in the backyard right now. In a few weeks I should be able to start chiseling the first few pages of RAC. The thing that worries me the most is how to bind them into book form

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 11:25:53 AM

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I've got first batch of clay tablets drying in the backyard right now. In a few weeks I should be able to start chiseling the first few pages of RAC. The thing that worries me the most is how to bind them into book form

You're doing it all wrong. Clay tablets need cuneiform script impressed on them with a blunt reed before they dry! Converting all the tables to base 60 mathematics is the really hard bit

Cheers, Neilster

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 11:43:59 AM

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Clay tablets, cuneiform, base 60? I marvel at your technology! I have been negotiating with the French authorities to get access to the Lascaux Caves, and have commissioned an artist to use original pigments to paint the manuals on the unused spaces on the cave. I'm then going to get them chiselled off and shipped to me.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 2:03:33 PM

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I understand....... that people wanted this game to be a comfortable purchase. A nice computer game purchase like all the rest. Where they could sit and complain, oooooh come on, 70 bucks is asking too much, get with the program, this is 2013, I should be able to get a digital download for slightly less, 60 bucks eh. And then there would be those waiting for the seasonal sale in 2 years and wanting it for 50 bucks. And then the person expecting it in 5 years to be massively discounted, because it's an old game.

I suppose some simply can't wrap their head around the idea, that World in Flames is a BOARD GAME, and through a generous arrangement, ADG has made it ok to put it into computer form, make it possible to display it on a computer, and have it as a means to defeat the need for a room killing map monster.

But it's till a board game. ADG COULD have said, no, and not allowed anyone to make it into the computer version it is.

Yeah they COULD have made it a digital download, no damned books. But that likely was never the objective.
If it had been me, I would not have made the pdf files. It would have solved the problem. I guess Slitherine Group has learned a valuable lesson here.

As for the cost, hmm I could start listing all the other notable, and famous wargames, all board games, that generally speaking don't cost 10s of dollars, but hundreds of dollars. I know of plenty that cost 200 and 300 bucks. I know that ASL has single modules that cost as much as computer World in Flames. And the shipping isn't free, they are not sold by Amazon.

It is unfortunate that Slitherine Group has made an error in the case of this game, in assessing the reaction by some, of being told the manuals were part of the purchase. It's unfortunate some parts of the planet suck.

The game is sold WITH manuals, in the same way board games are sold WITH counters. It's part of the product.

I do wish people would stop crying about their pockets. Yes you can't afford it, yes life is hard, yes you still want it.
I wish I could afford 32nd scale aircraft kits. But they tend to range in the 150 dollar zone. So I stick to the more affordable 72nd scale range.
It's called accepting your limitations. Not complaining about the price.
I tend to buy kits by order in person at the store. I tend to pay 30% more this way. I might get them online cheaper. But they also demand I use plastic. And I don't like that. I like being able to order something and pay a local business person cash.
You only get what you pay for in life.
And sometimes you have to pay more than you might like.
Your alternative is as always, you can always go without.

Enjoy the books. They are awesome. Or not, your choice. Stop crying about them though eh.
Some of us are out here facepalming thinking that some of you are making the hobby look like it is rife with spoiled entitled brats disguised as old men.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 2:12:51 PM

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For my 2 cents, I was ecstatic to pay less than $200 for the game, manuals, and most importantly for me, the maps. I was quite prepared to pay $250 for all.

I also come here for great info on the game. Like the proper way to use clay tablets

PS I'd wish I could afford a 1/16th scale r/c aircraft carrier and 1/16th scale r/c jets to take off and land on it. Always a dream of mine.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 2:39:35 PM

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Thanks for the feedback

. I really enjoyed the sarcasm lol. Very creative.

I guess some took my comments the wrong way as I was not try to disparage anyone's choices about the manuals, their own opinions on the topic, or trying to force them to do anything that they did not want to do. I was just expressing my opinion that after seeing these manuals, I just could not imagine why anyone would NOT want them, providing shipping costs are not extreme.

I still think those that do not want the manuals are really missing out, but that is your choice to make. We just will have to disagree and move on

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 2:50:07 PM

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Very sporting of you!

We're just having some fun, and no malice intended to you at all, as you rightly discerned. We're all here (hopefully) because we're looking forward to enjoying this game at some point.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 2:57:30 PM

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quote:

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I understand....... that people wanted this game to be a comfortable purchase. A nice computer game purchase like all the rest. Where they could sit and complain, oooooh come on, 70 bucks is asking too much, get with the program, this is 2013, I should be able to get a digital download for slightly less, 60 bucks eh. And then there would be those waiting for the seasonal sale in 2 years and wanting it for 50 bucks. And then the person expecting it in 5 years to be massively discounted, because it's an old game.

I suppose some simply can't wrap their head around the idea, that World in Flames is a BOARD GAME, and through a generous arrangement, ADG has made it ok to put it into computer form, make it possible to display it on a computer, and have it as a means to defeat the need for a room killing map monster.

But it's till a board game. ADG COULD have said, no, and not allowed anyone to make it into the computer version it is.

Yeah they COULD have made it a digital download, no damned books. But that likely was never the objective.
If it had been me, I would not have made the pdf files. It would have solved the problem. I guess Slitherine Group has learned a valuable lesson here.

As for the cost, hmm I could start listing all the other notable, and famous wargames, all board games, that generally speaking don't cost 10s of dollars, but hundreds of dollars. I know of plenty that cost 200 and 300 bucks. I know that ASL has single modules that cost as much as computer World in Flames. And the shipping isn't free, they are not sold by Amazon.

It is unfortunate that Slitherine Group has made an error in the case of this game, in assessing the reaction by some, of being told the manuals were part of the purchase. It's unfortunate some parts of the planet suck.

The game is sold WITH manuals, in the same way board games are sold WITH counters. It's part of the product.

I do wish people would stop crying about their pockets. Yes you can't afford it, yes life is hard, yes you still want it.
I wish I could afford 32nd scale aircraft kits. But they tend to range in the 150 dollar zone. So I stick to the more affordable 72nd scale range.
It's called accepting your limitations. Not complaining about the price.
I tend to buy kits by order in person at the store. I tend to pay 30% more this way. I might get them online cheaper. But they also demand I use plastic. And I don't like that. I like being able to order something and pay a local business person cash.
You only get what you pay for in life.
And sometimes you have to pay more than you might like.
Your alternative is as always, you can always go without.

Enjoy the books. They are awesome. Or not, your choice. Stop crying about them though eh.
Some of us are out here facepalming thinking that some of you are making the hobby look like it is rife with spoiled entitled brats disguised as old men.

I couldn't agree more. Good post. Thanks.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 2:57:42 PM

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Clay tablets, cuneiform, base 60? I marvel at your technology! I have been negotiating with the French authorities to get access to the Lascaux Caves, and have commissioned an artist to use original pigments to paint the manuals on the unused spaces on the cave. I'm then going to get them chiselled off and shipped to me.

I'm going with oral tradition. I'm having a shaman pass down the manuals in oral tradition. The only problem is each time the manual is passed from shaman to shaman it changes slightly. Apparently, now ground units are exempt from the Wrath of God if they get a favorable goat sacrifice die roll.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 2:58:13 PM

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I'm still unclear about this section on Zones of Control...

Cheers, Neilster

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 3:08:06 PM

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I'm going with oral tradition.

Hmmm, I think you win! Although, perhaps the rules could be rendered into caveman grunts? Like a more elaborate version of the game Ugg-Tect.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 3:10:18 PM

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But it's till a board game.

uh, actually, no, now it is also a computer game. Played on computer, without board or physical counters. Based on code which Steve apparently spent many (10+?) years programming. I had never heard of the board game, never want the board game, Wouldn't take it or the 9x21 ft map if offered to me for free. Get over it. Sorry to break it to you, but WiF is now--gasp--also a computer game.

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If it had been me, I would not have made the pdf files. It would have solved the problem. I guess Slitherine Group has learned a valuable lesson here.

What a very strange and self-centered proposal.

If ADG didn't want a computer game, then they shouldn't have allowed creation of a computer game. But they have, and presumably intend to sell it to people other than current players of the board game or those with a bizarre obsession with paper documents, so they might want to consider accommodating the wishes of these potential customers.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 3:11:41 PM

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I'm going with oral tradition. I'm having a shaman pass down the manuals in oral tradition. The only problem is each time the manual is passed from shaman to shaman it changes slightly. Apparently, now ground units are exempt from the Wrath of God if they get a favorable goat sacrifice die roll.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 3:14:49 PM

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I'm still unclear about this section on Zones of Control...

Cheers, Neilster

I am unable to make this out because I am viewing it on a 24" 1920x1600 computer monitor. Could you ship me the original clay tablet so I can consult it? Mark it as "(old) books" on the customs declaration, otherwise I'll get charged import duty.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 3:20:30 PM

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I understand....... that people wanted this game to be a comfortable purchase. A nice computer game purchase like all the rest. Where they could sit and complain, oooooh come on, 70 bucks is asking too much, get with the program, this is 2013, I should be able to get a digital download for slightly less, 60 bucks eh. And then there would be those waiting for the seasonal sale in 2 years and wanting it for 50 bucks. And then the person expecting it in 5 years to be massively discounted, because it's an old game.

I suppose some simply can't wrap their head around the idea, that World in Flames is a BOARD GAME, and through a generous arrangement, ADG has made it ok to put it into computer form, make it possible to display it on a computer, and have it as a means to defeat the need for a room killing map monster.

But it's till a board game. ADG COULD have said, no, and not allowed anyone to make it into the computer version it is.

What is amazing to me is that even after 2-3 threads with numerous posts saying we're willing to pay the same for the DD only, people STILL don't get it.
So....Once more for the hard of hearing:
Nobody is asking for a discount, special considerations or anything like that.
What we're asking is not having to subsidize FedEx and the various national tax-collectors by having hard-copies we don't want forced upon us.
Oh, and it's not a boardgame. Boardgames usually come with...y'know....boards.

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Yeah they COULD have made it a digital download, no damned books. But that likely was never the objective.
If it had been me, I would not have made the pdf files. It would have solved the problem. I guess Slitherine Group has learned a valuable lesson here.

Let me get this straight....
You'd allow people to buy the game, give them the digital download, but then they'd have to wait 1-2 weeks for the manuals to arrive before they could actually play it?
And this would've 'solved the problem'?

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As for the cost, hmm I could start listing all the other notable, and famous wargames, all board games, that generally speaking don't cost 10s of dollars, but hundreds of dollars. I know of plenty that cost 200 and 300 bucks. I know that ASL has single modules that cost as much as computer World in Flames. And the shipping isn't free, they are not sold by Amazon.

Oh, I know. My ASL collection has set me back far more than I care to think about.
But this isn't a boardgame. The lack of a board and counters is a bit of a clue, as is the fact that it's distributed by a software company.
Oh, and here's an interesting nugget of information. If you choose to buy the WiF boardgame from ADG, shipping is included. It says so right there on their web-site.
Funny that......

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It is unfortunate that Slitherine Group has made an error in the case of this game, in assessing the reaction by some, of being told the manuals were part of the purchase. It's unfortunate some parts of the planet suck.

The game is sold WITH manuals, in the same way board games are sold WITH counters. It's part of the product.

So if Empires in Arms was sold WITH horses, you'd be okay with that too?
Or are you saying that if Matrix decides to offer a DD-only option, that the price should be lowered?
It is after all no longer a complete product, according to you.

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Some of us are out here facepalming thinking that some of you are making the hobby look like it is rife with spoiled entitled brats disguised as old men.

And yet others are left a little confused as to why people insist on inventing their own set of motives, instead of reading what we actually write.
But, as you said, some parts of the planet suck.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 3:22:16 PM

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@Hondo...very good

Cheers, Neilster

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 4:00:45 PM

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So if Empires in Arms was sold WITH horses, you'd be okay with that too?

I would! How awesome! No, wait, they'll be held up for 6 months in quarantine. Is there a "no horses, download only" option? Real horses, what were they thinking?! But can the game really be properly enjoyed without real horses? What a dilemma!

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 4:42:07 PM

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I decided a fair while back now that I simply don't want to purchase physical content, for the most part, though I will continue to purchase kits for the World in Flames board game, because I like playing face-to-face with the counters on a map, which is quite a striking sight and unlike anything you will experience on a computer. So I well understand the sentiment that there is nothing like reading a hardback book. Though that doesn't make any difference to me any more for books. Games are a fun social activity.

But for the most part, I don't want to buy a DVD in a case; I don't want to buy a book that I could read on a screen. I don't even want such items produced for me, though I understand not everyone feels this way, and that's perfectly fine. I use more than enough of the world's resources just getting the electricity to enjoy non-physical content. I don't want it shipped to me, and I don't want to put it somewhere when it arrives. I spend a lot of time traveling and I just don't need any more physical items to deal with. I also want as much of my money as possible to go into the pockets of Steve and Harry, rather than some printing company somewhere.

I don't need or want information delivered on physical content, and that seems like a reasonable and simple request when purchasing it in the 21st century, and it is just stupefying that this increasingly common sentiment can be so ignored and rejected, quite aside from quite valid VAT/customs and shipping costs.

And ironically, by being a dedicated customer and player of the physical-on-paper World in Flames game system, purchasing 3 full copies plus almost every accessory over the years including the wonderful rolled, never folded map set, I have the least amount of need for anything in those books. Indeed, a fair bit of that content I already own, on paper. After all these years of waiting for a full, paper-less electronic edition of my favorite game, I have to purchase 5 more pounds of paper.

If there is no choice but to acquire more physical content, a bit more thought could have been put into the package of both the game and the map set. Players would benefit greatly from a few laminated sets of charts, outside of the hard-bound rather than spiral-bound books, such as those boring old physical game players use till they wear out, thus the suggestion to laminate them. I sincerely hope there are at least some simple .pdf files of only the charts, outside of the books, but I don't know for sure yet. And even with the map set that I will be purchasing � players could really use an improved, more playable and physically manageable version of the huge space on the globe between Pearl Harbor, Iceland, and Dakar (i.e. a new improved American mini-map). Useful items such as those would probably tip me back towards being very happy there is a physical option, though I would hope such an accessory kit would be available, yes, without 3 hardbound volumes.

Overall it just really amazes me that this deal over the books is the end result of an amazingly open-to-the-customers project development process. And perhaps all of this is quite self-centered. I don't care. I'm the customer.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 5:40:39 PM

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I usually agreee with you on things posted here brian and I do not feel knowledgeable enough about the Wif board game and buying computer games as to what should be or not be in the purchase of said games to contradict you, but one thing is for sure "you are the customer."

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 7:07:52 PM

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 7:56:58 PM

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ok shaddock

little rusty at this but I will try

DOCLOL NEILSTER

Ok I give up?

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 8:00:26 PM

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I do actually think it is funny, but, maybe they SHOULD charge some of you FULL price, and then NOT ship the books. And in that way, you get what you claim you desire, just the digital download, NO books, NO cd too of course as it comes with the books.

So in my case, it would have been 160 bucks after shipping and taxes, and no physical shipment. Because as you are saying, you want to pay the same price as physical, just no 'surprise' sum at your door tacked on as additional.

That's idiotic, but hey, it's your money. Why argue with a person demanding to spend 160 bucks on a digital download, when I can get the same thing AND the books.

All the silly comments about clay tablets, and archaic forms of communication have been creative I admit.

It's a shame one person isn't on the forums today though. He sure picked the wrong time to be absent.

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RE: People not wanting the manuals - 11/16/2013 8:12:24 PM