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RE: Historical accuracy of Air dropping fuel - 11/27/2013 11:59:03 PM

misesfan

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- I found my source - The Blitzkrieg Legend The author's source was from von Kleist's diary.
- Regarding Allied Air Supply efforts, there were quite a few of those. One that comes to mind is the Battle of Mandalay during the Burma campaign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Meiktila_and_Mandalay).
- I dont think anyone is arguing that sustained operations can be supplied via airlift alone. However, it was a tool that could be used in a pinch.

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RE: Historical accuracy of Air dropping fuel - 11/28/2013 2:54:26 AM

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The Battle of Mandalay was an infantry only situation, which most admit is feasible.

As for Kleist's Diary, it is a source, but if he was correct, why is it not mentioned in other sources? Perhaps some bias?

My Diary, says I am an amazing guy, and a fantastic lover! Therefore it must be true!

I am skeptical to be listening to some Nazi, who probably has blood on his hands. Not to put down your efforts of trying to find a decent source, the attempt is commendable, but lets face it, do we really want to use the same strategy and tactics as the losing side in the war? It obviously did not work very well for them now did it?

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RE: Historical accuracy of Air dropping fuel - 11/28/2013 4:37:55 AM

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von Kleist was not a Nazi and eyewitness sources are generally accepted as the most reliable source of information for a historical event. As for the IV Corps formations participating in Mandalay, the 17th Indian Division was completely motorized with an attached Tank Brigade (see the wiki page..)

I dont intend to be argumentative, so apologies if my replies are interpreted in that fashion. I enjoy debating military "stuff." :) In fact, I dont have an axe to grind here. My opinion - I think Pelton is spot-on with his argument regarding the combat and logistics model of the game.

I agree with you that following the strategy of a losing nation isnt a wise course of action.

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RE: Historical accuracy of Air dropping fuel - 11/28/2013 1:19:35 PM

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Seems this discussion is complete. Once again, "would'a, should'a, could'a" drives game developers crazy.

Soviet players seem to not be given credit for timely response to these amazing air supply operations; maybe game doesn't give the opponent the right tools to stop the foolishness.

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RE: Historical accuracy of Air dropping fuel - 11/29/2013 12:18:13 AM

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My Diary, says I am an amazing guy, and a fantastic lover! Therefore it must be true!

Very true. These diaries are all biased. Hence the myth the German Generals created that they could have won the war if Hitler hadn't intervened.

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RE: Historical accuracy of Air dropping fuel - 11/29/2013 2:21:22 PM

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Very true Bozo.

The move to Kiev was considered a death nail to the capture of Moscow in '41. Many consider the unhalted panzer drive on Moscow the best strategy but that would have needed continuous resupply by air, over ever increasing distances from the supply bases with no flank security at all. I think that was mainly Guderians plan but either way, its amazing how much blame Hitler gets for being a few miles of channel and a few kilometers of steppe away from global domination.

Odd how Napoleon is a genius in history and Hitler is a bumbling fool.

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RE: Historical accuracy of Air dropping fuel - 11/29/2013 2:32:53 PM

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Napoleon is described as a Genius because he obviously was. There are many things which still exist in our society today which were the result of Napoleon. Further the concept of using artillery by Napoleon in mass, was his idea and his alone. He essentially created a new form of warfare tactics which were incredibly successful, but when the enemy used the same tactics, they were successful for them as well.

Hitler did not create Blitzkrieg, but the person who did, is the Genius. The same can be said for those who realized the effectiveness of using CV's in the Pacific, and the insights of using airborne, and gliders and later helicopters.

Hitler did nothing but rely on what his Generals told him about Tanks, and reflect on his own experiences in WW1 to agree with the. Hitler began believing he was the reason for the success and he was the one who knew best. Thus his and Germany's downfall. Thank God!

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RE: Historical accuracy of Air dropping fuel - 11/29/2013 4:46:46 PM

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