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DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/1/2013 9:45:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good evening (or morning, depending upon where you are upon the world).
Welcome to my 2nd AAR.
The first has stalled due to bug problems (reported). This one is now progressed to May-Jun 1941, so I have some catching up to do.

It all started when the bad guys decided to attack Poland over some trifling bit of territory. Hardly worth a squabble, they thought, but unbelievably both France and the British Empire took great exception to it. Which seemed even weirder when despite them overrunning Poland in a matter of weeks (well, two impulses, anyway), they did almost nothing!

In the east, the Chinese were still trying to fend off the rampaging Japanese Empire. To be honest though, they really didn't know what to do. However they decided to go for a fairly 'forward' defence, thinking that even if they lose that line, that would give them time to reinforce and prepare new defence lines. If they started too far back, well the enemy would simply just wander over to where they were, and wouldn't have to do anything else to get there. No, they should pay for the ground they take. A price in blood.

Here then, is my Chinese (Nationalist) setup...




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/1/2013 9:47:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		After I started this game, I then decided I didn't want to play with the oil rules just yet (never have before), and so I started again. However, the setup was pretty much the same as this.

The Poles, frightened and isolated, weren't sure how best to deploy their army. Sadly, their deployment didn't last long...




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/1/2013 9:51:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, since the so called 'Allied' powers wanted a war, the Axis powers decided that they'd better prepare for a long war. So they quickly overran Denmark, and invaded Hungary. Hungary? What did Miklos ever do to offend them?
Well, he had a red factory. He may have been handing over his resources, but the Axis wanted it all.
Poor Hungary.





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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/1/2013 9:58:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Finally, just as the 'Allies' (more on this later) thought smugly, "Oh yeah, we know how this is going to go", the Germans invaded Belgium. Unfortunately on this occasion the Belgian set-up was also flawed (sorry forgot to screenshot it), and they broke through the flimsy Belgian line and took Brussels. The French had sufficient time to move their forces in to what was left of the country, and it was the end of October, 1939.

In the first turn of Nov-Dec 1939, the weather unexpectedly cleared, and Von Bock took the opportunity to launch a devastating attack on the still weak and unprepared French.





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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/1/2013 12:05:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		DQ2004 I am really looking forward to this AAR. I see that you, like many others, have declared war on Hungary. What is the advantage of an early DoW on Hungary rather than having them as allies in the later war against Russia? Cheers.

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 6:55:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		The idea of declaring war (& conquering) Hungary is (a): You get the red factory straight away. When the USSR claims Bessarabia, you deny the later claims of Hungary & Bulgaria (you have to declare war on Bulgaria also), which gives you (b) Rumania as a full ally (all units can leave Rumania), plus Rumania's factory earlier than you might have otherwise.
Then (when convenient later on, anyway) you should try to conquer Greece whilst ignoring Yugoslavia. Its best to be able to overwhelm Greece quickly, and once you have Athens you can align Yugoslavia. This means that (c): You have Yugoslavia's two blue factories and double bonus (d): Prince Paul HQ unit to use for supply purposes (eg. in France) plus triple bonus (e): No partisans in Yugoslavia (which has a higher partisan rating than Hungary and Bulgaria by far).
The reason you want to overwhelm Greece quickly is that otherwise if the Allies get four units into Greece (Allies support attacked minor) then they will align Yugoslavia, and whilst it is easy enough to conquer, all that work conquering Hungary and Bulgaria will be wasted.

Kind regards

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 7:08:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now, to getting back to our story so far.
It's Nov-Dec 1939. Poland, Hungary and Denmark have all fallen under the jackboot of the Werhmacht.
France is already under pressure, with not enough units and important reinforcements still to arrive.
The weather turns a little damp, but the Wehrmacht decides not to let a few drops of rain get in their way. They launch what seems a risky attack on Strasbourg...
...they lose three garrison units. But the fortifications are overrun. This is our first 'Ouch, that hurt' moment. Trust me, there will be more...




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 7:12:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		The French try to fall back in good order, but there just isn't enough units. All of the other Allied powers pass the turn, desperately trying to help the best they can, but it's no good. The snow begins to fall, but this doesn't stop the rampaging panzers either; the Herman Goering Division breaks through south of Lille.
Whilst the French army continues to bleed, more German corps continue to arrive from the east, including Rundstedt, who will end up feeling somewhat unnecessary




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 7:16:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		With the Maginot line shattered it is only a matter of time before the eastern flank of the French front collapses. Yet with the rail lines to Lille cut there's no point trying to hang on to this otherwise vital industrial centre.
The French retreat, and mercifully the nightmare turn ends.
The snow continues into January and so Von Bock orders his troops to continue; there's no point letting the French off the hook. Der OberKommando das Heer throws an offensive chit at Von Bock. Metz falls. France is as good as done, and it is only three turns into the game.




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 11:31:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		DQ2004 thank you for this clear reply which answers a query I have had for a long time and thanks for this entertaining ARR.

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 12:37:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting strat in regards to the Balkans. I was trying to figure out a way to get Greece without knocking out Yugoslavia, but the Italians really can't do it alone. I may have to give that a spin sometime. I am also enjoying seeing your AAR. Some interesting things going on for sure.

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 8:51:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks guys.
The downside of the Hungary strategy is that you lose the resource from the USSR. However, I have a plan for that...

Meanwhile, in China, the usual stuff is happening, where the Japanese Army is ganging up on the Chinese;




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 9:05:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Back in France, the French army desperately tries to shorten the line. But many units are disorganized just from trying to retreat. They pray that the turn ends ... but it doesn't! The snow turns to storm but with their armies disorganized they are just cannon fodder for the panzergruppen. Even a miracle won't save France now.
After the devastation, the turn finally ended. Here is the French front at the end of February 1940;





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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 9:07:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh I almost forgot - the Italians declared war on Britain and France too. Seeing that France was going down, Mussolini had to get in on the action. A port attack on the surprised French fleet resulted in the loss of the Jean Bart. In Egypt Graziani charged across the border with a large army.
The losses for Jan/Feb 1940:





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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 9:10:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		As March came around the Italians were on the verge of overwhelming Egypt; with four corps to Wavell's sole HQ unit, things looked bad. One Indian infantry corps was on the way, but yet again it was to be a case of too little, too late;





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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 9:20:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Royal Navy sortied to try to cut the Italian supply lines. They gained a number of surprise points, but in the resulting surface combat, the Italian battleships withstood the barrage of 15inch shells, and retired damaged. Sadly for the Royal Navy, what they thought was their toughest ship... wasn't.
I'm sorry Warspite1





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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 9:24:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		In France, despite the arrival of badly needed reinforcements, there was little that could be done to save Paris. OKH made sure of the assault, virtually surrounding the city prior to the attack.
In England, some strange reports were coming through of German army movements, however. Rundstedt's HQ seemed to have packed up already and was heading back into Germany. Other German units had been railed back to Poland. What was going on?





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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 9:26:27 PM   
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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 9:32:41 PM   
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April 1940.
The silence of the misty morning is broken by the sound of vehicles and aircraft overhead. In the distance the rumble of thousands of heavy guns is heard.
The young Soviet conscripts look at one another confused. "Don't we have a non-aggression pact with Adolf and all that?"
They are no less surprised than Iosef himself. The Germans have broken the pact and charged into Eastern Poland. The Soviets haven't even had time to claim the Baltic states. They have only just claimed Bessarabia because the US entry level was so low before that. Their armies are hopelessly out of position, not to mention drastically under-strength.

Their one saving grace is that the weather is foul and they will have time to gather their reserves.
The turn ends before the Germans can make much progress. But the Wehrmacht has already dealt with France, there are reinforcements arriving en-masse from the west, as well as new formations being assembled.
The clash of titans is on.
Here is the situation at the start of May/Jun 1940:




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 9:36:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		As May 1940 arrives Stavka is concerned but not worried. The Germans may have caught them on the hop but the USSR is large and they have plenty of reserves ready to be moved to the front. Grofaz looks to have overestimated what will be needed to conquer them, and in fact has only one HQ on the front at the moment.
Relaxed, Stavka orders the reserves forward to meet the German push.




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 9:39:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		All too quickly however, Stavka discovers just how complacent they have been. Rundstedt was railed to the front at the end of April. He quickly launches an attack into the Ukraine, despite a sudden freakish burst of snow across the frontlines;




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 9:40:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		In Egypt, the destruction of Wavell's force at Alexandria has doomed Egypt. The sole surviving Commonwealth force is soon overwhelmed. Nonetheless Wavell cost the Italians two motorized corps.





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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 9:42:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		In China, the Japanese sieze Chang-sha.
The Nationalists retreat to new defensive lines.


I might add, that I can't understand why Umezu is out of supply here - he has a clear path to a railway line (well, he's ON a railway line), there are no Chinese units which have a ZOC across those lines. I think there is a bug related to the mountain hex he is on - after I moved him off that hex, although annoyingly disrupted, he was back in supply.

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 9:48:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		In Russia, Stavka's complacence is becoming fatal. They retreat, but more and more German (and some others) units continue to arrive. Rundstedt drives them back and finds a hole in the line at Kiev. The panzercorps race through the gap, creating a bulge near Smolensk and causing the Soviets a huge problem. Meanwhile Guderian has shoved them eastwards and sprung the trap.




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 9:53:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		The turn mercifully ends but there is still two months of good weather for the Germans to enjoy. At the start of July 1940, OKH decides its time to throw their second offensive chit into the mix, to finally destroy the Russians in the south, who are trying to retreat in good order. The result is devastating;
(this shot taken after the 'advance after combat' phase)
If any moment can be said to be an 'Ouch, that hurt', this was it.



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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 9:55:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		At the beginning of the Allies first impulse in July 1940, global control was as here:




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 9:57:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the Med, the Royal Navy continued to try to cut Italian supply lines to Libya and Egypt. But more Italian NAV's had arrived and they caught the battleships Nelson and Rodney without fighter cover, sinking HMS Nelson;



A 20% chance only of destroying the ship and...
...ouch, that hurt.

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 10:24:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the Axis' second impulse of the turn, they finish off Odessa and Stalino, plus another straggler left in the Ukraine. Only Timoshenko is left to stop the advancing Wehrmacht hordes. He has been on the frontline the entire time, and his army has been destroyed around him. Now there is nothing he can do except wait for the inevitable end.




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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/2/2013 11:03:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, besides the fact it won't really matter, if I were Timoshenko, I would be calling for the trains to rail my counter out of there to a nice place on the Caspian Sea.

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RE: DQ2004's AAR #2 - "Ouch. ...that hurt" - 12/3/2013 8:29:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, Timoshenko could not retreat, as it happens, as there were factories that needed moving. A much higher priority.
With the panzercorps looming from the south, the Russian forces near Smolensk also retreated - but because the strongest units were trapped in enemy ZOC, they could only move one hex. Which meant that all the other forces could only move one hex if they were to help the others escape. In hindsight, Stavka should have abandoned the two western-most units (a 7-4 INF & a 7-6 ARM).




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