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Germany / Italy supply problem - 12/3/2013 10:32:04 PM   
gautebirkeli

 

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Status: offline 		I have had some trouble with supply to German troops in North Africa and Spain. It seems the Italian convoys/transport refuse to supply Germans if there is English naval presence in the sea zone. This is how it should be if Italy is not at war with England, but in this case both Germany and Italy are a war with England. This is either a bug in the game or an incorrect interpretation of RAW coded into the game. Anyone else having the same issues?
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RE: Germany / Italy supply problem - 12/3/2013 10:34:54 PM   
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RE: Germany / Italy supply problem - 12/3/2013 11:40:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you have an in-supply port on the continent that can ship supply into the eastern med?

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RE: Germany / Italy supply problem - 12/3/2013 11:50:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LiquidSky

Do you have an in-supply port on the continent that can ship supply into the eastern med?


Rather a valid oversea supply line containing the E.Med.

I think we have seen a almost identical case here some day ago. At some point a bug tracking/issue handling .. structured approach to handling the load of issues would really pay of.

There is the old windows restart workaround to recalculate supply. Or was it just reloading the game.. ?!

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RE: Germany / Italy supply problem - 12/3/2013 11:54:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a similar issue, reported here.

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RE: Germany / Italy supply problem - 12/4/2013 1:43:05 AM   
gautebirkeli

 

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Status: offline 		I have an Italian convoy in Italian coast. Reloading did not help.

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RE: Germany / Italy supply problem - 12/4/2013 2:26:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Basic rule is that you can trace oversea supply though uncontested sea zones (no enemy ships) and through contested sea zones if you have atleast one air-to-sea factor or SCS in the sea zone.

If you play with LOS, you also need a chain of CP/TRS/AMPH in those sea zones.

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RE: Germany / Italy supply problem - 12/4/2013 4:48:21 PM   
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"If you play with LOS, you also need a chain of CP/TRS/AMPH in those sea zones."
This is incorrect.

What you should say is:
"If you play with LOS, you instead need a chain of CP/TRS/AMPH in those sea zones."

When you look at the second bullet point on when you cannot trace supply under 2.5.2 in the rules, there is an exception on the requirement for SCS/NAV presence when you play with Option 11.

In this particular case however, I also have the SCS presence in the sea zone. I reloaded and re-run the naval search until I was able to find and destroy the English SCS. Then Supply was re-established. So it seems clear to me that the game treats the supply path as if Italy was not at war with England.


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RE: Germany / Italy supply problem - 12/4/2013 5:19:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		This means that the Italian naval units aren't recognized to provide the supply line for the German units and do so only for the Italian units. That's the bug here...

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RE: Germany / Italy supply problem - 12/4/2013 5:21:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think i just figured this one out.

your German unit in the pic is not in a port. you need to trace supply through a port.

EDIT: nope, strike that. Coastal hex or Port

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RE: Germany / Italy supply problem - 12/4/2013 5:24:02 PM   
Centuur


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Status: offline 		No, that isn't the problem. Units in a coastal hex can draw supply directly through the sea area:

From RAW:
To trace a basic supply path overseas, the unit must be in a coastal hex
or trace the path via a port.

So this is a bug.

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RE: Germany / Italy supply problem - 12/4/2013 5:30:18 PM   
gautebirkeli

 

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Status: offline 		"This means that the Italian naval units aren't recognized to provide the supply line for the German units and do so only for the Italian units. That's the bug here... "

That is exactly what is happening. I just re-run the situation and rebased an Italian air unit. The Italian is in supply, the Germans are not.

So now, Steve, we have located one of the supply bugs for you. ;)






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RE: Germany / Italy supply problem - 12/4/2013 7:03:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gautebirkeli


"If you play with LOS, you also need a chain of CP/TRS/AMPH in those sea zones."
This is incorrect.

What you should say is:
"If you play with LOS, you instead need a chain of CP/TRS/AMPH in those sea zones."

When you look at the second bullet point on when you cannot trace supply under 2.5.2 in the rules, there is an exception on the requirement for SCS/NAV presence when you play with Option 11.


If we play LOS (rarely do) we play it as described? Makes even less sense when presence is no factor.

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