Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Treale

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ORIGINAL: Dabrion

You could ask the Help Desk if such a thing is possible. (shipping would be your expense)

Sure it is. I've traded games, and given games away! It's mine and I can do what I want with it. I destroy all copies of it that I have. The only benefit that I see from having it registered is being able to get beta patches?

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ORIGINAL: Omnius

markb50k,
I just found a fatal bug trying to place units, just brought my current game to a screeching halt. In the German Place Units phase I saved the game right after placing a pilot in a plane. I did the save in version 1.05 and when I picked it up in version 1.06 I found that two Romanian units set to be placed can't be.

I even have the off-city reinforcement optional rule turned on so I should be able to place those Romanian units adjacent to Bucharest, which unfortunately has two corps and a division stacked there already. Unfortunately the optional rule is not working and I can't end the phase because that button is turned off and the keyboard command doesn't work either.

Omnius

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ORIGINAL: Omnius


PS: I detest the picture of two cowards with a high-powered rifle killing poor defenseless animals. I assume you're the coward with the gun.

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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

paulderynck certainly doesn't need me to defend him, but dang Cruss and Dabrion, is that really necessary? I just don't understand the animosity. jzardos has made his point and it has been duly noted by anyone reading this thread and nobody, including Paul, has tried to discredit nor invalidate any of it. I don't know Paul personally, but there are not many people so willing to discuss the rules and product as he is. I've read through quite a bit of the wifdiscussion posts and imo he is just as cordial and helpful there. There are some issues with MWif, we all know and understand that, but they are being worked on. Dabrion, you're not happy with your purchase. Nobody can fault you for that. But why lash out at Paul? And cruss, you just have a history of being coarse. Heck, afaik, you don't own the game and have no interest in purchasing it. Why would you spend so much energy being a detractor for those reasons?

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ORIGINAL: Dabrion

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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

paulderynck certainly doesn't need me to defend him, but dang Cruss and Dabrion, is that really necessary? I just don't understand the animosity. jzardos has made his point and it has been duly noted by anyone reading this thread and nobody, including Paul, has tried to discredit nor invalidate any of it. I don't know Paul personally, but there are not many people so willing to discuss the rules and product as he is. I've read through quite a bit of the wifdiscussion posts and imo he is just as cordial and helpful there. There are some issues with MWif, we all know and understand that, but they are being worked on. Dabrion, you're not happy with your purchase. Nobody can fault you for that. But why lash out at Paul? And cruss, you just have a history of being coarse. Heck, afaik, you don't own the game and have no interest in purchasing it. Why would you spend so much energy being a detractor for those reasons?

I think we are old enough to survive the exchange of facts.. it is not personal for me. I just want to free my ransomed money..

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Omnius

jzardos,
Have you never heard the saying Patience is a Virtue? Have you never gotten a computer game when it's first released that doesn't have significant bug problems? Aren't you smart enough to have patience playing publicly before playing solitaire and discovering the problems before jumping in with both feet and getting all wet?

I'm playing a test game solitaire and have found some nasty bugs, one most definitely fatal. I've bought enough computer war games to know to never trust an initial release to be bug free. I suggest patience, try playing the game solitaire a while to see what works and more importantly what doesn't before plunging into public competitive play. They did warn us that Netplay wasn't working perfectly so in this case buyer beware and pay attention to warnings.

Omnius

PS: I detest the picture of two cowards with a high-powered rifle killing poor defenseless animals. I assume you're the coward with the gun.

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ORIGINAL: jzardos

PS: in the picture the people are GI Joe type toys. Heard the squirrel was hit by car, not my car too.

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ORIGINAL: abulbulian

Ok all. Let's keep the comments about the game and not each other. If you have comments about another individual's taste, please at least do the rest of us a favor and use the 'PM' delivery channel. Many people are working hard to fix current problems in MWiF. As already stated NetPlay is getting some focus. What's done is done. Game is out and now we need to all help make it better or move on to some other en-devour. I'm in the camp that is frustrated too, but know MWiF will get fixed. Even a game like WitE which came out in 2011 is still getting patches with significant content. It's a great game and always will be. So can't judge success and enjoyment of a game by how many patches it requires. Unless you played HIO... heheh had to get that cheap shot in there. Think BWheatley has stock in Paradox because he always defends HOI.

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ORIGINAL: Omnius

jzardos,
Thank you for clarifying that the picture is something of a joke, albeit a sick one. No I wasn't the person to tell them to release the game.

I usually like to wait 6 months or a year after initial release before buying a game, let them iron out the bugs first. However after waiting so long for MWiF to come out I decided to disregard my normal rule just to start playing and learning the game, and of course helping beta test it.

It sounds like this isn't your first rodeo, you really shouldn't be surprised there are major bugs so close after initial release. Just be more patient about MWiF becoming more playable and while you've got it you might as well consider any games you play as test games and any problems you encounter as an opportunity to write up a bug report. In that way we can all help Matrix make MWiF better faster which benefits us all.

So apologies for dissing you about being in the picture and the picture itself.

Omnius

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ORIGINAL: abulbulian

Ok all. Let's keep the comments about the game and not each other. If you have comments about another individual's taste, please at least do the rest of us a favor and use the 'PM' delivery channel. Many people are working hard to fix current problems in MWiF. As already stated NetPlay is getting some focus. What's done is done. Game is out and now we need to all help make it better or move on to some other en-devour. I'm in the camp that is frustrated too, but know MWiF will get fixed. Even a game like WitE which came out in 2011 is still getting patches with significant content. It's a great game and always will be. So can't judge success and enjoyment of a game by how many patches it requires. Unless you played HIO... heheh had to get that cheap shot in there. Think BWheatley has stock in Paradox because he always defends HOI.

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ORIGINAL: Dabrion

Caveat Emptor is a moot point if you cannot assess/appraise the product before the payment is made. Usually with online/remote purchases there is period of time where you can return for refund. Not sure if thats is (not) the case in your country, it surely is in every European country. Ever bought shoes or clothes that do not fit? "CAVEAT EMPTOR, biac.. " thats certainly the last thing you hear from the store!

I had no objections when I read the marketing statement, they came when I saw the videos and tried the software, and learned about the disparity with that marketing statement.

Opposed to "Caveat Emptor" there is "Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat", in trade law better known as (beware translation) "the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing", which should be existent in your country as well (ianal). In plain words:"if I do business with someone, I should assume they will not con me". So out of not so idle curiosity, why would a company rather accept unsatisfied customers, than grant a refund? This is software! There is no damage that has to be mitigated on return. Are they just greedy *******s?

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Dabrion

Caveat Emptor is a moot point if you cannot assess/appraise the product before the payment is made. Usually with online/remote purchases there is period of time where you can return for refund. Not sure if thats is (not) the case in your country, it surely is in every European country. Ever bought shoes or clothes that do not fit? "CAVEAT EMPTOR, biac.. " thats certainly the last thing you hear from the store!

I had no objections when I read the marketing statement, they came when I saw the videos and tried the software, and learned about the disparity with that marketing statement.

Opposed to "Caveat Emptor" there is "Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat", in trade law better known as (beware translation) "the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing", which should be existent in your country as well (ianal). In plain words:"if I do business with someone, I should assume they will not con me". So out of not so idle curiosity, why would a company rather accept unsatisfied customers, than grant a refund? This is software! There is no damage that has to be mitigated on return. Are they just greedy *******s?

warspite1

a) Moot? No its not?? If the Matrix small print says no refunds then that's all part of the sales process (and Caveat Emptor). Did you read the small print? If you did then you have only yourself to blame; if you didn't then you have only yourself to blame. Why do some people never accept something is their fault?

b) However, does the above mean you are new to computer games? If you are then I am genuinely sorry for the fact you didn't understand how it works. You see I have yet to buy a single - and I mean a single - computer wargame that has not needed patches. Not one. They are still patching CTGW, Rome, WITE, WITP-AE, PoN, they never did finish (start!) properly patching EiA. Come to that - if you were a wargame boardgamer, how many games did you not have patches (errata sheets) for??

But anyway, that's for you to pursue - and that really is the limit of my idle curiosity - good luck with that....

BTW, strange you didn't realise the UK was part of Europe though - that WAS a bit of a shocker....

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ORIGINAL: Dabrion

Well I have no interest in a debate where you point out that people falling for honeypot business ethics are worth a laugh. Or how boardgames do not have bugs and and you could return them at your local store. Thank you very much indeed!

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Dabrion

Thanks for your input!

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Omnius

jzardos,
Have you never heard the saying Patience is a Virtue? Have you never gotten a computer game when it's first released that doesn't have significant bug problems? Aren't you smart enough to have patience playing publicly before playing solitaire and discovering the problems before jumping in with both feet and getting all wet?

I'm playing a test game solitaire and have found some nasty bugs, one most definitely fatal. I've bought enough computer war games to know to never trust an initial release to be bug free. I suggest patience, try playing the game solitaire a while to see what works and more importantly what doesn't before plunging into public competitive play. They did warn us that Netplay wasn't working perfectly so in this case buyer beware and pay attention to warnings.

Omnius

PS: I detest the picture of two cowards with a high-powered rifle killing poor defenseless animals. I assume you're the coward with the gun.

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy
Were there any other morons who mistook a squirrel for some kind of big game animal?