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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

IJA provides the escorts (Frank). IJN provides the strikes. Since by this time, I would plan for most of my CV groups to be available as their CV bases would be fish reefs, which means I have quite a few groups available (+20). Most of those planes are low SR, so they get used and then re-filled pretty quick. Its the escorts which you need so many of, call it 40 full-size (49 plane) Fighter groups to be able to take on the Allied Death Star. And of course the biggest challenge is scavenging up enough AF ENG units to actually base all of these groups ... Best place is Taihoku (9 hex from either Okinawa base), but that is risky and is hard to accomplish. Shanghai is 9 hex to the one base ...

I don't use too many 2E's as kami's ... too expensive and I've never had good success with them completing their attacks.

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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Just wanted to let you know that I'm also reading both AARs and hope you two take this to failure for the edification of the community. My comments on Joc's AAR are related to game mechanics or beer. On this one, I'll keep it to game mechanics or scotch, although recently I had some Penderyn, a Welsh whisky, which went down quite well at the British Embassy pub.

Regarding overstacking, I used to do it a lot against the AI. You have to bring more supplies to the party, but it is possible with the level of shipping available to the good guys.

Cheers,
CC

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ORIGINAL: obvert

As the red dots show below, though, there are few styles I've tried that I haven't enjoyed!

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

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ORIGINAL: obvert

As the red dots show below, though, there are few styles I've tried that I haven't enjoyed!

My Scotch of choice is Glenmorangie and I see it's on your dislike list . I shy away from the peaty/bog flavoured. I much prefer it to either Glenfiddich or Glenlivet despite their popularity. I've tried Talisker, but I think if I just licked the tree out back I'd get the same experience.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

I may have not made it very clear what the red dots are about. Those are ones I've tried and LIKE! Just trying to show that i'm not in any one corner of the scotch preference scales.

The emptying of my Glenmorangie bottle (during the last days of the Manila siege ) made me go out and look for another good bottles. That's when I ran into the sale! I try to keep a few around, just to have some variety, but sales are dangerous!

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ow, though, actually, the LI is pure gold, so I hope the HI continues to be targeted.

Upper portion used with permission of www.subart.net, copyright John Meeks

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ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg

Interesting. I've always assumed that if I expanded production it should be HI since the HI gets the supply too. But I hadn't thought about the late war and the fact that if you run out of fuel, that HI is useless.

How are resources in the Home Islands?

And, would you then suggest that if I'm going to spend supplies on expansion that I should do it on LI in the Home Islands? I'm going to start this now to maximize the return on the supply repair cost - it is early 42 in my game, so if I survive until 45 I'll have made a little bit back - more if it goes longer of course.

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ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg

Yea, I agree it requires thought. I always felt if you are going to any expansion of HI/LI it needs to be in 42 or forget it. I hadn't factored in the situation that we are seeing in this game though.

So now I'm thinking that outside of the Home Islands, HI expansion is warranted due to the fact that it can continue to use local fuel/resource production once cut off. In contrast, in the Home Islands, late game supply needs are causing me to think LI expansion would be better there.

Also, I should mention I'm playing DBB scenario 28, so I get no supply from refineries.

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ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg

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ow, though, actually, the LI is pure gold, so I hope the HI continues to be targeted.

Interesting. I've always assumed that if I expanded production it should be HI since the HI gets the supply too. But I hadn't thought about the late war and the fact that if you run out of fuel, that HI is useless.

How are resources in the Home Islands?

And, would you then suggest that if I'm going to spend supplies on expansion that I should do it on LI in the Home Islands? I'm going to start this now to maximize the return on the supply repair cost - it is early 42 in my game, so if I survive until 45 I'll have made a little bit back - more if it goes longer of course.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

In terms of supply, you need 1100 days to break even on LI expansion. So if you want to be in the black on supply expenditure on 1/1/45, you have to expand on 1/1/42. You need 550 days to break even on HI expansion, but you'll also burn up your fuel/oil faster. Resources you have plenty of, so that's not a consideration for the LI expansion.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg

Yea, I agree it requires thought. I always felt if you are going to any expansion of HI/LI it needs to be in 42 or forget it. I hadn't factored in the situation that we are seeing in this game though.

So now I'm thinking that outside of the Home Islands, HI expansion is warranted due to the fact that it can continue to use local fuel/resource production once cut off. In contrast, in the Home Islands, late game supply needs are causing me to think LI expansion would be better there.

Also, I should mention I'm playing DBB scenario 28, so I get no supply from refineries.

Not to mention, it can save you Fuel for the same amount of HI since you won't have to ship it as far.

In terms of supply, you need 1100 days to break even on LI expansion. So if you want to be in the black on supply expenditure on 1/1/45, you have to expand on 1/1/42. You need 550 days to break even on HI expansion, but you'll also burn up your fuel/oil faster. Resources you have plenty of, so that's not a consideration for the LI expansion.

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

In terms of supply, you need 1100 days to break even on LI expansion. So if you want to be in the black on supply expenditure on 1/1/45, you have to expand on 1/1/42. You need 550 days to break even on HI expansion, but you'll also burn up your fuel/oil faster. Resources you have plenty of, so that's not a consideration for the LI expansion.

Not necessarily and this is something I think is often overlooked. An example is over spending on air expansion. I spent too much on my A6M2 factory to the tune of 50k worth of supply. That's 45.5 LI that could have been expanded and paid off within 50 days. Why only fifty and not 1100 days/LI point? Well I don't spend the 50k on expanding the A6M2 factory of course. Voodoo economics? Sure . I guess the point I'm trying to make is you can pay for LI expansion in other ways and be in the black much sooner, you just have to give something up as I mentioned before. I know for a fact that if I eliminate a number of mistakes I made production wise in my AAR I could have spent 150k supply for LI expansion instead. I think paying for LI expansion has to be looked at differently. It you make some smart choices and streamline your production there's supply available to expand LI which might take some strain off the late game. Maybe .

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

In terms of supply, you need 1100 days to break even on LI expansion. So if you want to be in the black on supply expenditure on 1/1/45, you have to expand on 1/1/42. You need 550 days to break even on HI expansion, but you'll also burn up your fuel/oil faster. Resources you have plenty of, so that's not a consideration for the LI expansion.

Not necessarily and this is something I think is often overlooked. An example is over spending on air expansion. I spent too much on my A6M2 factory to the tune of 50k worth of supply. That's 45.5 LI that could have been expanded and paid off within 50 days. Why only fifty and not 1100 days/LI point? Well I don't spend the 50k on expanding the A6M2 factory of course. Voodoo economics? Sure . I guess the point I'm trying to make is you can pay for LI expansion in other ways and be in the black much sooner, you just have to give something up as I mentioned before. I know for a fact that if I eliminate a number of mistakes I made production wise in my AAR I could have spent 150k supply for LI expansion instead. I think paying for LI expansion has to be looked at differently. It you make some smart choices and streamline your production there's supply available to expand LI which might take some strain off the late game. Maybe .

I look at it like this: if I can make those savings anyway on my A6M production, then I should do so, regardless of what I do with the supply saved, for efficiency's sake. Therefore, cutting back elsewhere in order to pay for LI doesn't make sense to me. If I'm cutting back elsewhere, it's because I don't need the production. If I'd rather have the supply than expand the factory, then I just don't expand the factory. If I would then rather invest that saved supply into an expansion that will pay off in 1100 days, then I consider it on its own merits. If I don't expand, I'll have 1100 more supply points in my stockpile right away vs. if I did expand. Or 550 more than if I expanded, 550 days from now. Or only 100 more, 3 years from now.

But to each their own tricks for maximizing their efficiency.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

Why not expand HI in the DEI heavily, then expand LI in the Home Islands that will be paid for by the extra supply from the DEI you don't have to ship down there and the fuel saved for not having to ship the fuel to the HI?

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ORIGINAL: catwhoorg

Rather partial to a Macallan myself.

In that diagram I'm very much on the rich side, and Oban is as normally as smoky as I get.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

In terms of supply, you need 1100 days to break even on LI expansion. So if you want to be in the black on supply expenditure on 1/1/45, you have to expand on 1/1/42. You need 550 days to break even on HI expansion, but you'll also burn up your fuel/oil faster. Resources you have plenty of, so that's not a consideration for the LI expansion.

Not necessarily and this is something I think is often overlooked. An example is over spending on air expansion. I spent too much on my A6M2 factory to the tune of 50k worth of supply. That's 45.5 LI that could have been expanded and paid off within 50 days. Why only fifty and not 1100 days/LI point? Well I don't spend the 50k on expanding the A6M2 factory of course. Voodoo economics? Sure . I guess the point I'm trying to make is you can pay for LI expansion in other ways and be in the black much sooner, you just have to give something up as I mentioned before. I know for a fact that if I eliminate a number of mistakes I made production wise in my AAR I could have spent 150k supply for LI expansion instead. I think paying for LI expansion has to be looked at differently. It you make some smart choices and streamline your production there's supply available to expand LI which might take some strain off the late game. Maybe .

I look at it like this: if I can make those savings anyway on my A6M production, then I should do so, regardless of what I do with the supply saved, for efficiency's sake. Therefore, cutting back elsewhere in order to pay for LI doesn't make sense to me. If I'm cutting back elsewhere, it's because I don't need the production. If I'd rather have the supply than expand the factory, then I just don't expand the factory. If I would then rather invest that saved supply into an expansion that will pay off in 1100 days, then I consider it on its own merits. If I don't expand, I'll have 1100 more supply points in my stockpile right away vs. if I did expand. Or 550 more than if I expanded, 550 days from now. Or only 100 more, 3 years from now.

But to each their own tricks for maximizing their efficiency.

Why not expand HI in the DEI heavily, then expand LI in the Home Islands that will be paid for by the extra supply from the DEI you don't have to ship down there and the fuel saved for not having to ship the fuel to the HI?

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

If you expand HI in the DEI, but run out of fuel before your HI industry in completely shutdown, one could argue that you wasted supply with the expansion. Your optimal amount of HI production is that you run out of fuel at the same time the B-29's dismember your final factory. Yes, there is some fuel savings for shipment ... but that comes at 1000 supply. Ask Obvert if he could use some supply now.

IJ economy is easy to over expand in '42. Be it AC factories or HI expansion. Either way, you are burning up supply @ 1000/factory that you cannot afford in the long run. This is why so many late games right now are so short of supply. Refer back to the MikeS AAR's. He increases factories one or two at a time, not one or two hundred. Just because you can put 20x30 factories researching Shinden doesn't mean you should, even if you get the plane in '43. That cost you 660,000 supply. Ditto all the other models. I routinely see IJ players with 91x30 AC factories ... that means that they have spent at least 1,500,000 supply not including model changes and the engine factory expansions to match ... Wow. THe IJ economy cannot support these types of supply expenditures and that is why IRL they did not do it ... it took them until 1945 to get to +2000 AC/month. Not in 1942 ... It will do you no good to have 25000 AC in 1945 if you have no supply. You cannot fight without supply, and you need LOTS of it. I (Mike did too) checked some of my old games ... I've never had less than 1M more supply than HI into '45 ... usually its more like 2M more (so 7M supply, 5M HI). Think through your ecxonomy carefully ...

PS: I need to add that I rarely have built HI (I actually cannot recall having done so, but maybe I did once) ... there is no need. If I need HI, I take it, I do not build it. Building HI only increases your HI pool faster, it NEVER gives you more HI. Since you should always have a large HI pool, there is no need to build it faster ... so long as it is built, nothing more is needed.

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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

I like one ice cube to "open it up." A friend of mine whose opinion I respect on that taught me. Luckily the local British Embassy has an excellent single-malt selection at pretty reasonable prices and I've tried most of those, at least the 10s and 12s, on the chart.

I'd put Penderyn, which is actually a "welsh," not scotch, near the Bunnahabhain. Did a Japanese single-malt tasting the other month and really liked the Hibiki 21. Alas, even in the U.S. it's something like $250 a bottle.

Cheers,
CC

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ORIGINAL: obvert

I was in Berlin a while back and a fellow traveller came into the hotel lobby late as I was using the internet there. (Probably checking the AE forum!)

He brought out a bottle of Hibiki 21! Offered me a glass, then a few more. We had a good long talk and topped up the hangover for the next morning. Very good stuff.

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

If you expand HI in the DEI, but run out of fuel before your HI industry in completely shutdown, one could argue that you wasted supply with the expansion. Your optimal amount of HI production is that you run out of fuel at the same time the B-29's dismember your final factory. Yes, there is some fuel savings for shipment ... but that comes at 1000 supply. Ask Obvert if he could use some supply now.

IJ economy is easy to over expand in '42. Be it AC factories or HI expansion. Either way, you are burning up supply @ 1000/factory that you cannot afford in the long run. This is why so many late games right now are so short of supply. Refer back to the MikeS AAR's. He increases factories one or two at a time, not one or two hundred. Just because you can put 20x30 factories researching Shinden doesn't mean you should, even if you get the plane in '43. That cost you 660,000 supply. Ditto all the other models. I routinely see IJ players with 91x30 AC factories ... that means that they have spent at least 1,500,000 supply not including model changes and the engine factory expansions to match ... Wow. THe IJ economy cannot support these types of supply expenditures and that is why IRL they did not do it ... it took them until 1945 to get to +2000 AC/month. Not in 1942 ... It will do you no good to have 25000 AC in 1945 if you have no supply. You cannot fight without supply, and you need LOTS of it. I (Mike did too) checked some of my old games ... I've never had less than 1M more supply than HI into '45 ... usually its more like 2M more (so 7M supply, 5M HI). Think through your ecxonomy carefully ...

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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

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ORIGINAL: obvert

I was in Berlin a while back and a fellow traveller came into the hotel lobby late as I was using the internet there. (Probably checking the AE forum!)

He brought out a bottle of Hibiki 21! Offered me a glass, then a few more. We had a good long talk and topped up the hangover for the next morning. Very good stuff.

Wow, that story brings a tear to my eye. That's easily the best whiskey I've ever tried.

Cheers,
CC

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ORIGINAL: obvert

... in China I used a huge amount of supply that ended up being only partially justified due to our subsequent agreement to keep China a factor with a reserve zone. I'm happy the game kept going,