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bugs with overruns and retreats - 12/23/2013 9:42:34 PM

kerog

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In the Barbarossa quick setup, there are a couple of Russian units in the clear that you can ground strike, get out of supply, and then should be able to overrun as they have a 2 defense. However, the game would not let me conduct the overrun. In the combat phase, the defense shows up properly as 2.

Later in the scenario I attacked a lone Russian 6-3 in a forest hex. The result on the blitz table was a 1/R. After I took my German loss, it went directly to advance after combat, without giving me a chance to retreat the Russian unit first. This made advance impossible.

I know sometimes what appear to be bugs are actually rules special cases; is there an alternate explanation for either of these cases? The first should be super-repeatable.

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RE: bugs with overruns and retreats - 12/23/2013 10:43:29 PM

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You can overrun the two overrunnable units in the Barbarossa scenario. You just have to stop in the hex before the overrun first. See this thread:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3490512

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RE: bugs with overruns and retreats - 12/24/2013 2:55:51 AM

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Thanks, that's super-useful info! Any insight into the lack of a retreat step before advance after combat?

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RE: bugs with overruns and retreats - 12/24/2013 6:31:19 AM

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That one is most likely a bug.

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RE: bugs with overruns and retreats - 12/24/2013 5:27:41 PM

kerog

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But wouldn't that make the game virtually unplayable? Wouldn't lots of people be complaining about it? Or is it only on the solitaire version?

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RE: bugs with overruns and retreats - 12/24/2013 5:36:46 PM

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Yours is the first instance reported of this bug. It is not common; retreats have always worked in my games.

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RE: bugs with overruns and retreats - 12/24/2013 8:33:13 PM

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Looks like I mis-spoke then. If you can post a save of the game then one of the beta testers can see if they can replicate the issue, or find out why the unit seemed un-retreatable.

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RE: bugs with overruns and retreats - 1/8/2014 2:03:24 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kerog

In the Barbarossa quick setup, there are a couple of Russian units in the clear that you can ground strike, get out of supply, and then should be able to overrun as they have a 2 defense. However, the game would not let me conduct the overrun. In the combat phase, the defense shows up properly as 2.

Later in the scenario I attacked a lone Russian 6-3 in a forest hex. The result on the blitz table was a 1/R. After I took my German loss, it went directly to advance after combat, without giving me a chance to retreat the Russian unit first. This made advance impossible.

I know sometimes what appear to be bugs are actually rules special cases; is there an alternate explanation for either of these cases? The first should be super-repeatable.

I just ran through a dozen combats using the 1D10 CRT with most of the results 1/R and a few -/1R, -/R thrown in. Most of the time there was a single defending unit. Once there was only a single attacking unit. The defenders usually had a choice of 2 hexes for their retreat but in some cases there was only 1 hex available.

In all cases the code performed correctly.

If you can reproduce this problem, I would like to have a saved game. Just zip the GAM file and upload the zipped file to a post in this thread.

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