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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/11/2014 4:51:55 PM   
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Burma
Ki-49 bomb enemy troops north of Basein this time heavy flak. Minimal effect to ground troops 5 bombers lost

DEI
Target is Saumlaki.
Enemy CVE in base hex with some transports and SAGs. Nothing unload today.
Enemy Carriers 80nm SW of Saumlaki

Docup sweep Saumlaki from Darwin with CAP from Carriers and LCAP from Burthurst Island. In my experience LCAP is building lot of fatigue especially at range 6. Also if LCAP and CAP from carriers is participating in sweep also is taking lot of fatigue to them so i hope CV group are little tired.

Morning Air attack on Saumlaki , at 78,117

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 3
Martlet II x 9
Wildcat V x 1
Beaufighter Ic x 10
Boomerang C-12 x 15
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
FM-1 Wildcat x 9
F4U-1 Corsair x 30
F6F-3 Hellcat x 50

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
30 x F4U-1 Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Saumlaki , at 78,117

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 5
Wildcat V x 2
Beaufighter Ic x 10
Boomerang C-12 x 15
P-38H Lightning x 30
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
FM-1 Wildcat x 4
F6F-3 Hellcat x 35

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Saumlaki , at 78,117

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 40,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 1
Martlet II x 3
Wildcat V x 1
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 22
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
FM-1 Wildcat x 6
F6F-3 Hellcat x 24

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 39000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Saumlaki , at 78,117

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
Wildcat V x 3
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
FM-1 Wildcat x 7
F4U-1 Corsair x 3
F6F-3 Hellcat x 14

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x F4U-1 Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Saumlaki , at 78,117

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 3
Martlet II x 9
Wildcat V x 1
Beaufighter Ic x 10
Boomerang C-12 x 15
P-38H Lightning x 11
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4
FM-1 Wildcat x 7
F6F-3 Hellcat x 35

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Saumlaki , at 78,117

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 3
Martlet II x 4
Wildcat V x 3
Beaufighter Ic x 10
Boomerang C-12 x 15
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 3
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
FM-1 Wildcat x 4
F6F-3 Hellcat x 46

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 39000 feet





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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/12/2014 3:30:12 PM   
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Report in few h

Lot of good news and one bad

Banzai!!!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/12/2014 3:44:11 PM   
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/12/2014 3:51:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunely I sneaked into Docup's AAR a while ago, so I just can't say anything otherwise than you are doing great, both in play as in reporting as well.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/12/2014 4:42:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Starting to do report but at first i want to say what was most important factors in battle

- KB despite being split in two TF and despite both TF reacted toward enemy menage to stay in single hex
- Allied CV TF spited in at lest two TF. Only one reacted toward KB
- Incredible good coordination of Japanese strike
- Incredible wok done by A6M5 both in attack and in defense(especially A6M5c version)
- long reaction of allied CAP(they still where deadly)
- LBA play any role during that battle

I know that Docup is having huge morale drop right now but i want to play that game so
please help him go trough this. In next few month he again will be able to fight and i have no hopes to survive next battle.



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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/12/2014 4:55:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		KB day before battle was undetected south of Manado (Celebes)
Spited in two TF, 600 planes each. Escorted by two SAGs. BB SAG and CA SAG
Order was to flank south trough Namlea hex to end move north of Damar.

all bombers at 14k range 7, 250 fighters at CAP range 0, 250 at 20% CAP range 7.

Naval phase.
Night go well. One of CV TF was attaked by sub but escorts manage to repel attacker

ASW attack near Namlea at 76,107

Japanese Ships
CA Ashigara
CLAA Tatsuta
DD Onami
DD Arare
DD Hagikaze
DD Urakaze
DD Asashimo

Allied Ships
SS Pickerel, hits 1

At day fleet contine south. Just 1 hex south of Ambon CA TF change direction East to intercept enemy DD detected by float planes.

Day Time Surface Combat, near Ambon at 76,110, Range 23,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Kumano, Shell hits 3
CA Kinugasa
CA Furutaka, Shell hits 2
CA Kako, Shell hits 2
DD Michishio, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Arashio, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Natsugumo
DD Minegumo

Allied Ships
DD Harding, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
DD Sampson, Shell hits 5

Move end 2 hexes north of Damar, full KB escorted by BB TF. CA TF stuck one hex south of Ambon

Map with position of forces after battle








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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/12/2014 5:17:05 PM   
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After inicial serch phase KB reacted towar enemy moving 1 hex south. Lucky both TF end move in the same hex
Allied carries where detected 2 hexes south of Saumlaki. It llok that one of TF reacted toward KB while ather stay with main fleet.
Those reaction, especially splitting allied fleet has huge impact on battle

DAy start with hevy sweep of nerst dot bases that are in allied hands. 180 Georges sweep them finding nothing



Attack start with main Japanese wave. Good coordination. Escort do miracles
Morning Air attack on TF, near Selaroe at 78,119

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 194
B6N2 Jill x 155
D4Y1 Judy x 13
D4Y3 Judy x 218

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 2
Boomerang C-12 x 2
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
F4U-1A Corsair x 33
F6F-3 Hellcat x 74

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 7 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 11 destroyed, 13 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed by flak
D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 24 destroyed, 31 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 8 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVL Belleau Wood, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires
CV Enterprise , Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Princeton, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Hawkins, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Claxton
CA Indianapolis, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV West Virginia, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Alabama
CA Portland
DD Beale
DD Bennett, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Caldwell
DD Wadsworth
CL Mobile, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Washington, Bomb hits 1
DD Conway
CLAA Juneau, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB South Dakota, Bomb hits 1
DD McKee, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Gansevoort, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk

There where also ~10 vaes without escort. ~60 bombers lost none of them get trugh CAP


Allied counterattack was not so powerfoul. Mosly because enemy carries send saperate attack becouse of force spliting.
First wave come from Main allied fleet

Morning Air attack on TF, near Damar at 77,114

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 162
A6M5b Zero x 27
A6M5c Zero x 87

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 68
SBD-3 Dauntless x 17
SBD-5 Dauntless x 60
TBF-1 Avenger x 18
TBM-1C Avenger x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 5 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 10 destroyed, 2 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak
SBD-5 Dauntless: 35 destroyed, 4 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak
TBF-1 Avenger: 8 destroyed, 2 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak
TBM-1C Avenger: 11 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Katsuragi
CV Soryu
CV Hiryu
CV Kaga
CVL Ryuho
CV Junyo, Torpedo hits 2
CV Shokaku
CV Kasagi

Second wave come from CV TF that reacted toward KB

Morning Air attack on TF, near Damar at 77,114

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 141
A6M5b Zero x 24
A6M5c Zero x 83

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 63
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 33
SBD-3 Dauntless x 29
SBD-5 Dauntless x 33
TBF-1 Avenger x 27
TBM-1C Avenger x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 13 destroyed, 2 damaged
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
SBD-3 Dauntless: 13 destroyed, 5 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 3 destroyed, 7 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak
TBF-1 Avenger: 14 destroyed, 6 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 6 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Amagi, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
CVL Ibuki
CV Hiyo
CV Shokaku
CV Junyo, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Chiyoda, Torpedo hits 1
CV Hiryu
CV Ikoma, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CA Haguro
CV Soryu
CVL Ryuho
CV Taiho
CV Unryu
CLAA Tenryu
CV Akagi
CVL Ryujo
CV Aso
CVL Zuiho
CV Zuikaku


KB mange to send also wave against second CV fleet

Morning Air attack on TF, near Babar at 77,118

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 44
B6N2 Jill x 43
D4Y1 Judy x 26
D4Y3 Judy x 24

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
F6F-3 Hellcat x 74

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 5 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 10 destroyed, 6 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 5 destroyed by flak
D4Y1 Judy: 10 destroyed, 3 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 4 destroyed by flak
D4Y3 Judy: 11 destroyed, 2 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVL Cowpens
CVL Independence, Bomb hits 1
CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 1
CA Baltimore
CV Bunker Hill
CV Essex, Bomb hits 1

Some LBA join battle

Morning Air attack on TF, near Babar at 77,118

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 30
B6N2 Jill x 13
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 17

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1
F6F-3 Hellcat x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 5 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 2 destroyed by flak
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVL Cowpens
CV Saratoga



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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/12/2014 5:25:39 PM   
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This time KB decide to attack enemy carries in closer TF
CAP was low and Zero escort manage to hold enemy CAP. Not a single bomber where destroyed/damaged by enemy fighters

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Babar at 77,118

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 186
B6N2 Jill x 81
D4Y1 Judy x 11
D4Y3 Judy x 134

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
F6F-3 Hellcat x 52

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 8 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 6 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed by flak
D4Y3 Judy: 18 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 5 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Cowpens, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
CV Essex, Torpedo hits 1
CA Baltimore, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1
CLAA Atlanta, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Frankford
CVL Independence, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Sigsbee
DD Gillespie
DD Woodworth
DD Burns
DD Thompson, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Satterlee, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Frazier
DD Rapid

Again LBA join battle. This time they go for Main allied fleet.
No CAP above it

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Selaroe at 78,119

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 110 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 8
B6N2 Jill x 13
D4Y1 Judy x 3

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 4 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed by flak
D4Y1 Judy: 2 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
SOC-1 Seagull: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Massachusetts, Torpedo hits 2
CA Indianapolis
CL Mobile, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
BB Washington

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/12/2014 5:41:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well done koniu! Thats a really nice counter attack.

I´ll try to cheer DOCUP up.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/12/2014 5:49:33 PM   
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Naval loses

Japan
CV Junyo Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2 damage 65/58(28)/10(3)/96 will for 99% sunk
CV Ikoma Bomb hits 2 damage 35/6(0)/1(0)/1
CV Amagi Bomb hits 2 damage 17/2(1)/1(0)/0
CVL Chiyoda Torpedo hits 1 damage 4/20(17)/0)/0

Allies
CV Enterprise , Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage (Essex class)
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires
CV West Virginia, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Essex, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1

CVL Princeton, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Belleau Wood, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Independence, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CVL Cowpens, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires

BB Washington, Bomb hits 1
BB South Dakota, Bomb hits 1
BB Massachusetts, Torpedo hits 2

CA Hawkins, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA Indianapolis, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA Baltimore, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1

CL Mobile, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CLAA Juneau, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CLAA Atlanta, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

DD Bennett, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Sampson, Shell hits 5
DD Harding, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
DD McKee, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Gansevoort, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
DD Thompson, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Satterlee, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage


Air loses



Pilot loses
Japan lost 310 pilots. 80% of them where pre war pilots
I counted 6 bomber groups that lost 100% planes and pilots. Others groups suffer between 30-70% loses

Shokaku bomber groups lost 42 of 45 planes


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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/12/2014 6:07:40 PM   
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It looks that Docup manage to unload entire ID in Saumlaki. Base will fall soon. I have only IR there are supplies are at 0

I will need to find way to suppress Saumlaki. I will also need to send KB soon to Marshals

I decided to slowly retreat north with KB. I lost half of bombers, many is damaged and will not be available tomorrow. Morale very low. Time to rebuild and move to shadows.

I hope Docup will write something to me before o go sleep. I Should be happy but i am not.
I am worried about his morale and about this game. Relation with Docup is so deep in my live that i cant imagine day without turn from him.

I check what reinforcements allied get in next month. It look that it will take 5 months before he will be able to replace all those CV and CVL. Big spamming with carriers will start for Docup in Q4 1944



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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/12/2014 9:20:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fantastic defense koniu!

He has to be in the dumps right now, but he didn't exactly help himself with the vector and slow development of the attack. Do you have at least subs to pursue the damaged CVs? This could be the final straw, I hate to say it. It's not that he's incredibly behind the timeline, but the loss of ships is going to make it tough.

I think you'll still have a chance next time as well, and if you stuff another one it's over for sure.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/13/2014 5:56:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks but i still have mixed filing.
If Docup survive next 6 month this battle can be opening to epic game that will last until 46.
But it will be hard to him. After 2 Years he again lost and will need again wait another months to at lest be equal in numbers on deck Very hard time, very dangerous to game.


What i learn. Don`t start DEI offensive or any other offensive until You have numbers on Your side. But Biggest weakness of Docup plan was not numbers but rather place he chose and speed he travel there

Giving Japan week of warning is to much. Japan can be everywhere faster.
I think if Docup wait two more months and if he concentrate everything he have in single force he will win with me or at lest have tie. In march i will be facing not only number but also quality of ~450 Corsair and that is something A6M even with 80+ pilots cant handle. I saw that last turn those 33 Corsair destroy enemy every time they shot, while Hellcat is good but good A6M pilots have some decent chances with it.





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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/13/2014 6:12:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I certainly agree with your assessment. When he was spotted so early he should have pulled back. When you don´t have CV supremacy you will have to do "hit and run" invasions. Or he should have waited a couple of months for more CVs to arrive and as you say he should have Corsairs on the CVs instead of Hellcats.

I hope he plays on as he still have a good chance. When you have not seen it yourself its hard to really understand how much the allies get in late 44 and onward. But I can see this might be such a blow on moral he might hoist the white flag. I hope he doesn´t though!


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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/13/2014 6:32:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

I certainly agree with your assessment. When he was spotted so early he should have pulled back. When you don´t have CV supremacy you will have to do "hit and run" invasions. Or he should have waited a couple of months for more CVs to arrive and as you say he should have Corsairs on the CVs instead of Hellcats.

I hope he plays on as he still have a good chance. When you have not seen it yourself its hard to really understand how much the allies get in late 44 and onward. But I can see this might be such a blow on moral he might hoist the white flag. I hope he doesn´t though!



It can depend from next turns. If he manage to save some CV and CVL (i think 2 CV (Lex and Essex) and 2 CVL(Independence and Cowpens) have chances) he will continue. If not it will be 50/50 to end.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/13/2014 10:35:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just get email from Docup. He write that quiting don`t even crossed his mind, but it will be slow and boring game in next few months

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/13/2014 1:23:37 PM   
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Just get email from Docup. He write that quiting don`t even crossed his mind, but it will be slow and boring game in next few months


Good news!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/13/2014 5:31:28 PM   
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120nm from Battleships i see enemy CVE TF. Tanaka leading 3 BB will try intercept them tomorrow. If he miss he will clean waters in Saumlaki hex.

Cruisers will cover KB retreat. CV Junyo with escort of two DD and 4 Es will try to survive next 24h. With 5knt speed and 96 fires he is easy target to subs

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/14/2014 6:44:48 AM   
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He confirm loss of 4 CV.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/14/2014 8:30:28 AM   
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Docup is working on turn so no turn until tommarow prabably

He confirm loss of 4 CV.


4 CVs you mean 2CVs and 2CVLs or actually 4 CVs ?

Great game you got, you play the naval side of the game brillantly. Had you had a tiny bit more experience on the Burma part, you would be in an unpregnable situation.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/14/2014 10:22:09 AM   
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Docup is working on turn so no turn until tommarow prabably

He confirm loss of 4 CV.


4 CVs you mean 2CVs and 2CVLs or actually 4 CVs ?

Great game you got, you play the naval side of the game brillantly. Had you had a tiny bit more experience on the Burma part, you would be in an unpregnable situation.

Quote from email. Hard for me as non native speaker to be sure if he by cvs mean aslo cvls

"You sunk 4 cvs, with one on fire one damaged but save able"
"About the only thing u sunk was my cvs"

Even i sunk only 2, damaging rest mean they are out of action for long months.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/14/2014 10:56:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		It could very well be 4 CVs (Saratoga, West Virginia, Bunker Hill and Enterprise), which would mean fantastic rolls regarding Bunker Hill and Saratoga. If this is the case, you have scored a great victory !

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/14/2014 11:06:19 AM   
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It could very well be 4 CVs (Saratoga, West Virginia, Bunker Hill and Enterprise), which would mean fantastic rolls regarding Bunker Hill and Saratoga. If this is the case, you have scored a great victory !


Docup write ma that Bunker Hill survive, so probably Lexington go down.
Lex eat 5x500kg of bombs all penetrate, two make ammo and fuel explosion.
But Docup also stated that is not sure as he seen only turn replay once, and because he was going to work he spend only 5 minutes with turn and he don`t remember correctly because it was to big mess.

Tracker is showing 3 CV and 3 CVL sunk, Game is showing 5CV and 2CVL sunk

To much FoW.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/14/2014 2:27:48 PM   
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Docup is working on turn so no turn until tommarow prabably

He confirm loss of 4 CV.


4 CVs you mean 2CVs and 2CVLs or actually 4 CVs ?

Great game you got, you play the naval side of the game brillantly. Had you had a tiny bit more experience on the Burma part, you would be in an unpregnable situation.


There is no impregnable Japanese defense!

I also think koniu is doing just fine in Burma. The Japanese don't want to hold Burma forever anyway. You just need it long enough so that the Allies can't break through and kill the oil early.

Glad to hear it's going forward.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/14/2014 3:29:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		You see what I meant, obviously not geographically impregnable, but so good that he could quite safely milk the clock from it.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/14/2014 3:32:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually i slowly preparing to retreat from at lest north Burma.
His south offensive just encircled Prome so soon i will abandon it to make another defense line in Jungle line.
Probably next 2-4 weeks are my last in Taung Gyi. I dont need troops there if Rangoon is in danger.
My plan is to buy time, fight where i need or have chance and slowly retreat. I thin i will hold Burma for 2-3 moths back. After dtah only Ranggon area shoul be in Japanese hands




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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/14/2014 3:37:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have nice email exchange today with Docup, we talk about what he or cant do in next months. Generally about tactic without CV superiority.

We talk about CVE force he can use. In February (60 days) his CV/CVL/CVE fleet will reach in numbers KB. In June allies will have 2200 carrier planes and in September almost 3000 so i have maybe 4-5 quiet month before allies will back to offensive

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/14/2014 3:55:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		CVs are nice to have but not required. He still has enough CV/CVEs to do operations in places where you arn´t ready for it. Say, NOPAC, CENTPAC and even Northern Sumatra. As long as he can get close enough undetected that you won´t have time to shift the KB and LBA.




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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/16/2014 3:03:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Still no turn from Docup.
He write me that he still have lot to do with it. Plus he working his 12h shifts two day in row.

As for future. This game have big chances to last until 1946
Because i don`t even dream that we will play until 1946, there is no chance that empire will have jets as i decide not research them at all at game beginning.
Probably i can shift some factories to them but there we will second problem. Engines never where planed for jets. I just have no free engine factories.
Firs calculation is showing that Jet program worth of building, so at lest 200 planes monthly, will cost me ~600-800k of supplies

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/16/2014 3:52:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you have Ki-94? That will be much more useful if you can get it. The stats are as good as most Allied fighters at that time and it's 'only' service 3 compared to 5 for the jets.

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