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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/17/2014 5:43:05 PM

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LOL. I knew the answer. I could have found and posted it myself. But then everybody wouldn't get to see certain individuals,...who also knew the answer already.....instead of answering the very simple question that others have already started asking as well.....they throw a tantrum about how DARE anyone ask a company a question about one of their products. Nevermind that EVERY company in the world will take and answer questions about their products.

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ORIGINAL: Treale

I just don't understand all of the fuss and hostility? If you don't like the deal, don't buy. If you can't afford it, don't buy. Matrix doesn't have to justify their business decisions to anyone! When it's all said and done, it's just s game! And yes I did purchase when it first came out! Am I happy with it, No. But I'm an adult and I made my decision, so I live with it....

I don't understand why you are making such a fuss and being so hostile to people asking a simple question either. I find it funny you ask why all the fuss and hostility when you are one of the main ones making a fuss and being hostile.

warspite1

So you were just trolling then?

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/17/2014 5:56:28 PM

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So they got trapped by their idea to force sell the books on people.

Game should have been sold 90$, 120$ with book.
They force the book into the package and print them, but made a gesture to put a price of 100$.

Now they are trapped and cant lower the price of the digital dowload edition without raising the physical edition up to 125$.

As simple as that.

I am also convinced that they think that including books was mandatory because no one will pay 100$ for a computer games without shinies added to it.

warspite1

And this is why peeps get so frustrated with this...

Exactly how do you deduce that - and said with such certainty? You are privvy to the economics of this deal? Who gets paid what? How much ADG earn? How much Steve get's etc? You know all that do you such that you can confidently state what Matrix should sell for?

Why can't they lower the price of the Digital download without increasing the physical edition cost? Where did that come from?

And as for your last statement - well you are easily convinced wrongly. People have bought at $100 without the books and maps. I would have bought the game without - the
books and maps were a great bonus but I paid for the GAME.

Edit: Spelling

I think Kerensky was referring to 'most' gamers wont pay $100 without shinies,.... and we come back to the VERY OLD debate------- the truth of the matter is 'most' people wont even buy this game at $20. Which is why its considered a niche market,...which is why the prices have to be higher than usual to make it possible to make the games to begin with......but letting your old catalog sit and not making any money off of it at all when you could reduce the prices on a lot of those old titles and make money off of them FOR NOTHING.....which could help the overall finances of the company....which means they could lower prices on newer games as well.....sell a few more copies of them....attracting a few new customers who may buy other new titles or some of the old 'cheaper' titles (and will also help get new customers by the old tried and true word of mouth method)....further improving the finances of the company.....and on and on...

But that's an old debate......Matrix maintains they aren't going to change from what has worked for them for so long (but don't ask why they are doing it different here!!!!!).

So we are left with the self fulfilling prophecy of high prices and niche market.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/17/2014 6:03:01 PM

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LOL. I knew the answer. I could have found and posted it myself. But then everybody wouldn't get to see certain individuals,...who also knew the answer already.....instead of answering the very simple question that others have already started asking as well.....they throw a tantrum about how DARE anyone ask a company a question about one of their products. Nevermind that EVERY company in the world will take and answer questions about their products.

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ORIGINAL: Treale

I just don't understand all of the fuss and hostility? If you don't like the deal, don't buy. If you can't afford it, don't buy. Matrix doesn't have to justify their business decisions to anyone! When it's all said and done, it's just s game! And yes I did purchase when it first came out! Am I happy with it, No. But I'm an adult and I made my decision, so I live with it....

I don't understand why you are making such a fuss and being so hostile to people asking a simple question either. I find it funny you ask why all the fuss and hostility when you are one of the main ones making a fuss and being hostile.

warspite1

So you were just trolling then?

I wanted the answer posted here....where the question was already asked and you can bet is going to be asked again. I couldn't remember the exact wording (and you know how those certain individuals will act if you get a quote wrong)... and my last 50 posts don't contain my post in the thread I was looking for....and my last 100 posts don't show up at all for some reason. So I decided to just ask for it hoping someone else would either remember it word for word...or would find it their last 50 posts and link to it. Yes I knew that certain people were going to act a certain way.

So,...no the purpose wasn't to troll them...it was to get the answer to the question......I knew how certain people were going to act,. but.....they acted the way they did purely on their own.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/17/2014 6:12:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: KERENSKY

So they got trapped by their idea to force sell the books on people.

Game should have been sold 90$, 120$ with book.
They force the book into the package and print them, but made a gesture to put a price of 100$.

Now they are trapped and cant lower the price of the digital dowload edition without raising the physical edition up to 125$.

As simple as that.

I am also convinced that they think that including books was mandatory because no one will pay 100$ for a computer games without shinies added to it.

warspite1

And this is why peeps get so frustrated with this...

Exactly how do you deduce that - and said with such certainty? You are privvy to the economics of this deal? Who gets paid what? How much ADG earn? How much Steve get's etc? You know all that do you such that you can confidently state what Matrix should sell for?

Why can't they lower the price of the Digital download without increasing the physical edition cost? Where did that come from?

And as for your last statement - well you are easily convinced wrongly. People have bought at $100 without the books and maps. I would have bought the game without - the
books and maps were a great bonus but I paid for the GAME.

Edit: Spelling

I think Kerensky was referring to 'most' gamers wont pay $100 without shinies,.... and we come back to the VERY OLD debate------- the truth of the matter is 'most' people wont even buy this game at $20. Which is why its considered a niche market,...which is why the prices have to be higher than usual to make it possible to make the games to begin with......but letting your old catalog sit and not making any money off of it at all when you could reduce the prices on a lot of those old titles and make money off of them FOR NOTHING.....which could help the overall finances of the company....which means they could lower prices on newer games as well.....sell a few more copies of them....attracting a few new customers who may buy other new titles or some of the old 'cheaper' titles (and will also help get new customers by the old tried and true word of mouth method)....further improving the finances of the company.....and on and on...

But that's an old debate......Matrix maintains they aren't going to change from what has worked for them for so long (but don't ask why they are doing it different here!!!!!).

So we are left with the self fulfilling prophecy of high prices and niche market.

warspite1

Correct. We agree at last

. Most people wouldn't touch this game if you gave it to them. Most people are simply not interested in this type of niche game.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/17/2014 6:17:53 PM

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Gentlemen, gentlemen... If you are looking at this topic critically, I think everyone here must conclude that there is a difference opinion on what is reasonable or not.

Personally, I think it is wise for Matrix to stay out of this discussion, since it aren't the customers who are setting the price (or the would-be customers), but Matrix itself. I see no reason why Matrix has to react on "demands" to give a reason why the price of the game is as it is now. It's the shareholders who make the policy of a company, not the customers, I'm afraid...

Now, I wouldn't be surprised to see that when the AI is added to this game, you will have to pay $ 150,-- for the total game at that moment (with or without books)...

Personally, I think that the customers who are buying the game now might be better off, since due to the problems we are having now, Matrix might (and I say might) be tempted to make sure the first people to buy it get the AI option at a discount, since they should be aware of the mess they are in for putting the game on the market in the state it was in november...

But let's wait and see how things are progressing...

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/17/2014 7:39:34 PM

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Gentlemen, gentlemen... If you are looking at this topic critically, I think everyone here must conclude that there is a difference opinion on what is reasonable or not.

Personally, I think it is wise for Matrix to stay out of this discussion, since it aren't the customers who are setting the price (or the would-be customers), but Matrix itself. I see no reason why Matrix has to react on "demands" to give a reason why the price of the game is as it is now. It's the shareholders who make the policy of a company, not the customers, I'm afraid...

Now, I wouldn't be surprised to see that when the AI is added to this game, you will have to pay $ 150,-- for the total game at that moment (with or without books)...

Personally, I think that the customers who are buying the game now might be better off, since due to the problems we are having now, Matrix might (and I say might) be tempted to make sure the first people to buy it get the AI option at a discount, since they should be aware of the mess they are in for putting the game on the market in the state it was in november...

But let's wait and see how things are progressing...

Matrix wont answer the question because someone demands that they do. They wont do it because of any other reason aside from it is what a good company does. Whether we like the reason or agree with the reason is irrelevant,,,,and they have no obligation to pacify any of us if we don't like it or don't agree.

But they will answer any question asked because as a company they do care, and any potential buyer can and will ask questions whether anyone else likes it or not. In fact I really don't understand why Matrix hasn't asked certain people (not you Centuur) to stop discouraging people from asking questions because it is not good for business.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/17/2014 8:23:02 PM

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but its slightly strange that not one person - not one - refuted that statement (which was made many times loud and clear) and said that NO, they would want a cheaper version.

Sorry to dig this up,...but when reading over the entire post it jumped out at me. You find it strange no one refuted them? So,...if you post that you would pay $200 for a game,...I need to post that I wouldn't or I have no right to say that $200 is too much later on? Really?

But really that's not even it. Just look at all the hostility in this thread to people just asking a simple question. An OBVIOUS question that those being hostile admit they KNEW was going to be asked. Yeah.....I wonder why nobody posted anything about it then................

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/17/2014 8:37:26 PM

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but its slightly strange that not one person - not one - refuted that statement (which was made many times loud and clear) and said that NO, they would want a cheaper version.

Sorry to dig this up,...but when reading over the entire post it jumped out at me. You find it strange no one refuted them? So,...if you post that you would pay $200 for a game,...I need to post that I wouldn't or I have no right to say that $200 is too much later on? Really?

But really that's not even it. Just look at all the hostility in this thread to people just asking a simple question. an OBVIOUS question that they admit they KNEW was going to be asked. Yeah.....I wonder why nobody posted anything about it then................

warspite1

I think you've missed the point somewhat? I don't know what just jumped out at you but whatever it was it wasn't the point

What was important about the thread in question was the it was all about the books and the fact that peeps would have to pay extra to have books delivered - books that they didn't want. Okay. But. The thread went further, and peeps were stating, quite clearly that they were happy with the price of the game - they didn't want any favours - they just didn't want to be stung with the cost of shipping. This point was made specifically and on many occasions. Given the depth of feeling, you would have thought that someone, anyone, would have said "hold on, that's not right - if I don't get the books, I want the game cheaper". No one did, not one... as I say, that was strange given the depth of feeling. Matrix delivered what was asked of them.

But fair enough, the question has been asked. Let's see if its answered or not.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/17/2014 9:40:15 PM

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No one did, not one... as I say, that was strange given the depth of feeling.

Posted in the link you are referring to.....page 6 post #171

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3444898&mpage=6&key=

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As I stated,resolve this issue by having the books optional.Also a discount if the buyer does not want the books.Simple.

EDIT- but to be fair I thinks he is actually the one and only to suggest it in the thread. LOL. But it is one.....

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/18/2014 1:55:24 AM

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No one did, not one... as I say, that was strange given the depth of feeling.

Posted in the link you are referring to.....page 6 post #171

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3444898&mpage=6&key=

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As I stated,resolve this issue by having the books optional.Also a discount if the buyer does not want the books.Simple.

EDIT- but to be fair I thinks he is actually the one and only to suggest it in the thread. LOL. But it is one.....

warspite1

Hee hee

There's always one....

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/18/2014 3:45:45 AM

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How does this new customers get rules help when it usually answered by a manual book reference. If they dont got the books it could be hard. Do I miss something?
Good job anyway adhearing to the customers wishes.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/18/2014 3:51:32 AM

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How does this new customers get rules help when it usually answered by a manual book reference. If they dont got the books it could be hard. Do I miss something?
Good job anyway adhearing to the customers wishes.

The game comes with pdf versions of the manuals.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/18/2014 3:58:50 AM

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Oh ok. That was good. Thanx for your reply.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/18/2014 4:00:23 AM

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Wow! I just noticed this. Big, big Kudos to Matrix Games for giving overseas (i.e. non-US citizens) the option to purchase a download-only version of the game for the same price as the books. I live in Indonesia and the cost of shipping those books to my address here was US $42 on top of the $100 download price. This is the reason why the DD version of the game has now become cheaper. We didn't want to have the books and the cost of shipping them to us forced upon us. Now we don't

Too late for me but who cares.

I bought it on release anyway and got my books sent to a US address and it was only $9 extra. But I'm sure there are lots of folks living in less 'Fed-Ex friendly' parts of the world who will pick this beauty up.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/20/2014 1:44:13 AM

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Woo thanks folks. And for those saying it isn't cheaper well for me it is to the tune of $62 CDN so yeah =). Will pick it later on today

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/20/2014 11:11:09 AM

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It seems to me that perhaps a another way of delivering this product might be this;

In post 4 of this thread it has been stated that the books are "entirely free to print" so why not distribute the software via download at the stated price and for those that want the "Free" books just charge shipping for the books. In the UK books are 0 rated for VAT so there is no import duty to be paid just the shipping cost.

Just a thought.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/20/2014 3:09:34 PM

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Deleted because actually irdgaf

My beef was with people treating other forum members who ask questions like they were the anti-Christ!

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/20/2014 9:21:34 PM

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It seems to me that perhaps a another way of delivering this product might be this;

In post 4 of this thread it has been stated that the books are "entirely free to print" so why not distribute the software via download at the stated price and for those that want the "Free" books just charge shipping for the books. In the UK books are 0 rated for VAT so there is no import duty to be paid just the shipping cost.

Just a thought.

That's what the physical option effectively is. The CD is tucked into a pocket in the inside front cover of Player's Manual Volume 1. So the extra cost for shipping is really for shipping the books. Anyone who buys the physical option can download the game and pdfs immediately as well.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/21/2014 4:21:57 PM

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Hi,

The board game itself if available for about the same price than MWiF. It's a great game and I would suggest it to anyone who likes the WWII era. Than, if they like it they can buy MWiF.

As for myself and some friends we don't want to complain, we wait, namely for the netplay's to be resolved amongst other things. Hot seat or solo is not an option for us. We play the board already since 1994. I don't care about an AI either, it always become boring playing against any AI after some time.

I did buy "Decisive Campaigns : Case Blue" from Matrix lately and I enjoy it (me and another friend), and it can be played via PBeM.

Michel.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/21/2014 7:42:38 PM

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The full kit goes for $199.00 (freight cost included) on ADG website! That is two MWiF copies w/o physical delivery. If this game ever manages to provide a meaningful multiplayer mode (according to 23.1.2) you will want about four to five players at elast. So MWiF is at least double the cost.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/21/2014 8:13:26 PM

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The full kit goes for $199.00 (freight cost included) on ADG website! That is two MWiF copies w/o physical delivery. If this game ever manages to provide a meaningful multiplayer mode (according to 23.1.2) you will want about four to five players at elast. So MWiF is at least double the cost.

warspite1

You do realise that that argument is quite ridiculous, yes?

If I play (hopefully) some people in the future at multiplayer - then how much have I paid for the game? Yes that's right, I've paid for my game.

When I played WIF in the 90's how much did I pay for my game? Yes keep up, you are doing well, I paid for my game.

What have both scenarios got in common? Well, quite obviously, the people I play(ed) against bought their own copies too. So where does doubling of the cost come in?

Are you saying that most, if not all, serious players of the boardgame did not own their own game?

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/21/2014 8:57:10 PM

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Well, you need one kit to play the game, I find that hard to dispute! 24.1.2 suggests to allocate two to seven players. You might have adopted the view that WiF is a solitaire game.. I can see why..

I do not think dividing the purchase across all players is uncommon or ridiculous.. in fact it is very common for the gaming groups I know and frequent. So the formula is easy: purchase price divided by players. How many kits you actually own is quite irrelephant to the price point that gets you started.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/21/2014 9:00:23 PM

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Matrix should just bump the physical price up to 110. Just a many people would be whining, but matrix would make a little more cash.

Plus all the people who already bought will feel like they got a deal, and the whiners can get the DL only copy and save $10. A reward for the early adopters! Note I still have to order, but the extra $10 wouldn't bother me on a game of this scope.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/21/2014 9:03:03 PM

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Well, you need one kit to play the game, I find that hard to dispute! 24.1.2 suggests to allocate two to seven players. You might have adopted the view that WiF is a solitaire game.. I can see why..

I do not think dividing the purchase across all players is uncommon or ridiculous.. in fact it is very common for the gaming groups I know and frequent. So the formula is easy: purchase price divided by players. How many kits you actually own is quite irrelephant to the price point that gets you started.

warspite1

I wonder how many people were "lucky" enough to be in a gaming group where costs could be shared? I say "lucky" because I must admit, even if I was in that position I would still have bought my own copy so that I could use it when I wanted to, read up on the rules when I wanted to etc.

But I guess this is just something else we can disagree on

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/21/2014 9:34:42 PM

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Rules are a download. $5 bucks and 20min time get you a nicely bound version of RAW7aug04 + a DIN A4 downscaled and laminated reference chart + a DIN A5 downscaled and laminated 2D10 table. When I talk someone into trying WiF, that is the set they get from me. In fact the printed rules you get with the box are obsolete these days.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/22/2014 12:37:23 AM

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Hi everyone,

First, please keep the discussion civil.

Second, the price was always planned and set at $99.99. The post from me that was quoted earlier is correct. When we made the decision to add in the three hard-bound manuals, we decided not to increase the price to our customers. We did feel however that the manuals are really a key element of the game as this is a very unique release that is more about the WIF community than the general computer wargaming community.

After release, we listened and saw that the community was understandably unhappy with the shipment costs outside the US and decided to do what we could to add a download option. Unfortunately it took longer than expected to work everything out for that, but when we made it available the intention was always to keep it at the original intended price. This just gives folks who don't want the extra shipping cost a way to get the game without jumping through hoops.

We also don't think it would be fair to those who purchased the physical version to now make a less expensive digital option available. WIF was intended to be physical only, the download option is now available due to community demand, the pricing is based on the price that was always agreed on for WIF.

Regards,

- Erik

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/22/2014 7:35:30 AM

AxelNL

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thanks for the explanation, Erik.

Dabrion - aren't you violating copyright rules when you act as you describe? (copying rules etc and providing them to others?)

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/22/2014 3:05:17 PM

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Wow. I think I will cross this game off my wishlist. I have purchased 23 games from Matrix but this won't be my next one. I can't imagine there is much free thought allowed on here. I guess if you have almost 15,000 post you can act like a forum bully. Its too bad that the action of one forum member can ruin an entire game.

Don't bother typing out a long winded reply to me. I can't imagine you have anything intelligent to say. Perhaps the people who are trying to make a profit off this game should realize money is being lost because of a bully.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/22/2014 5:55:23 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: markb50k

For a game of this size and scope, $99 is arguably ON PAR with other huge grognard games that Matrix has released.� It was a steal when they released it (AND you got books!)

But people complained due to customs/additional shipping etc, and asked for a DL only version.

They gave it to you.� End of story, guys.� Sheesh.

What are you talking about... They still put on taxes which brings this game that has NO AI up to a total of
about 140$ us

Someone, dunno WHO, but someone has done some seriously wrong Price/demand calculations.

There are games out there that has cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce and they sell for 70-80 bucks,
and said with deep respect for this one mans huge effort, it have not cost a fraction of that.

If they actually sold it at a resonable Price, more people would buy it, i know i certainly would. This would create
more revenue and they would earn more Money AND they would have a lot of very satisfied and loyal customers, instead
of no customers and small income.

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RE: World in Flames Download Version Now Available - 1/22/2014 7:42:10 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kimsand

quote:

ORIGINAL: markb50k

For a game of this size and scope, $99 is arguably ON PAR with other huge grognard games that Matrix has released.� It was a steal when they released it (AND you got books!)

But people complained due to customs/additional shipping etc, and asked for a DL only version.

They gave it to you.� End of story, guys.� Sheesh.

What are you talking about... They still put on taxes which brings this game that has NO AI up to a total of
about 140$ us

Someone, dunno WHO, but someone has done some seriously wrong Price/demand calculations.

There are games out there that has cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce and they sell for 70-80 bucks,
and said with deep respect for this one mans huge effort, it have not cost a fraction of that.

If they actually sold it at a resonable Price, more people would buy it, i know i certainly would. This would create
more revenue and they would earn more Money AND they would have a lot of very satisfied and loyal customers, instead
of no customers and small income.

warspite1

Can you do us a favour please? Its easy to spout anything that comes into your head and present it as fact, but how about you provide some facts to support what you say?

On what basis do you matter of factly state the price/demand calculations are wrong?

On what basis do you matter of factly state that the price charged is not reasonable?

What prey tell, is a "reasonable price"? Reasonable for who? Matrix? The customers? The developer? ADG? who? Please confirm the economics of the deal to justify such comments and enable us to understand.

What research have you done such that you know a drop in price guarantees a higher revenue - where is that price, and how many people will buy at which price? If my local Mercedes dealer sold a CLK at a reasonable price I know I would certainly buy it. The price I could afford it at would bankrupt Mercedes, but hey, lets not let cold economic facts of life get in the way.

The game is the game at the moment, warts and all, good and bad. How will getting more customers, guarantee more very satisfied and loyal customers - what like Dabrion you mean?

No customers and no income? Please explain further.

Finally, if dropping price is a retailers nirvana for happy, prosperous trading, please tell us why any company goes out of business.

Thank-you. I look forward to your detailed response

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