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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/10/2014 4:45:02 PM   
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Thank you for adding an unhealthy obsession on mine the Yak-141(41). I pick up every English and Russian language source talking about this program. Messing around in the editor it 'feels' right to me, except I'm not sure where you got your loadout information. Here is the actual planned/designed load-outs and mission range:

Click here

Source for this is Крылья Родины issue 6 from 1994 which sources the information from the official project, which I concur.

You can prob figure out by the numbers what is what but if not just ask me. (Top is air -air, next anti-ship, then air to ground.)



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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/11/2014 9:20:44 AM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_Avenger

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/11/2014 9:29:23 AM   
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/11/2014 9:31:00 AM   
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/11/2014 1:56:01 PM   
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We could probably use one or two conventional improvised explosive devices, too. The suicide explosive in the database has a range of one mile...that's a pretty impressive throwing arm that terrorist has; he'd had done better to take up baseball! :) The range on that should be reduced, again maybe to 0.01 miles (but with about 100% hit probability because it will now be right next to the target). And maybe a couple of extra sizes for charges...along with a 4-kg. charge, maybe a medium-sized one big enough to fit in a small boat (100 kg.) and another big enough to put in a light truck (500 kg?).

Maybe use some of the data for mines that's already in the database? After all, that's basically what we're talking about here. Not sure if that would work, though. \

Anyway, just a thought.


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Not sure if this has been suggested yet or not (I looked but I did not find anything)...

Improvised nuclear weapon

This would actually not be hard to set up--there are plenty of smaller nukes, in the 20-kiloton range, in the DB3000 database already; what is missing is one that...

A) Can be et off at 0 meters (ground level)...
B) Will affect surface targets...AND...
C) Has no range--it's not a missile; it's an explosive charge, so it doesn't get launched; it just gets detonated. Anything nearby, including the terrorists who set it off, or the cargo ship it was smuggled into without the knowledge of the captain and the crew, will be affected by the blast.



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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/11/2014 3:49:12 PM   
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/11/2014 7:41:23 PM   
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emsoy

Thank you for adding an unhealthy obsession on mine the Yak-141(41). I pick up every English and Russian language source talking about this program. Messing around in the editor it 'feels' right to me, except I'm not sure where you got your loadout information. Here is the actual planned/designed load-outs and mission range:

Click here

Source for this is Крылья Родины issue 6 from 1994 which sources the information from the official project, which I concur.

You can prob figure out by the numbers what is what but if not just ask me. (Top is air -air, next anti-ship, then air to ground.)




Thanks! But is that combat range or radius? There are no details on profile either, so the stats don't really say much. Sorry!

Hi-Hi-Hi at optimum alt and speed will easily produce twice the range of Lo-Lo-Lo with mil dash on target, etc.


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/11/2014 8:28:16 PM   
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/12/2014 6:52:54 AM   
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emsoy

Thank you for adding an unhealthy obsession on mine the Yak-141(41). I pick up every English and Russian language source talking about this program. Messing around in the editor it 'feels' right to me, except I'm not sure where you got your loadout information. Here is the actual planned/designed load-outs and mission range:

Click here

Source for this is Крылья Родины issue 6 from 1994 which sources the information from the official project, which I concur.

You can prob figure out by the numbers what is what but if not just ask me. (Top is air -air, next anti-ship, then air to ground.)




Thanks! But is that combat range or radius? There are no details on profile either, so the stats don't really say much. Sorry!

Hi-Hi-Hi at optimum alt and speed will easily produce twice the range of Lo-Lo-Lo with mil dash on target, etc.



Oops, it says 'combat radius' at the bottom, I forget not everybody speaks Russian and not everything is as obvious as I think, I apologize for that. It doesn't have profile details and neither does any of the public project data I have only these radius numbers.

But, it was certainly planned for the a/c to carry the R-77 (AA-12) Kh-31 (AS-17) (Both A and P variants) Kh-35 (AS-20)and Kh-25 (AS-10) (As well as the Kh-27 ARM variant you have added) Also planned were 6 freefall bombs of the 250kg class, 4 rocket pods, or 4 gun pods (UPK-23-250)

With only the Kh-29T you have taken away stand-off ASM capability which was a major point for the Soviet Navy moving into the 90s. They required all fixed wing strike fighters to have a stand off anti-ship capability. It is why the Kh-31 and kh-35 were developed.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/12/2014 11:17:53 PM   
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Here's another couple of "no rush, but please add someday" platforms...

Let L-410 Turbolet (Various)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_L-410#Current_military_operations
http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/acdata_l410_en.php
http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=50

Basler Turbo AC-47 T Fantasma (Colombia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombian_Air_Force
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basler_BT-67





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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/12/2014 11:31:04 PM   
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Here's one I would like to see added sooner rather than later, just because it opens up a lot of possibilities for involving smaller nations in scenarios...

(I could have sworn I posted this one earlier, but I searched and could not find it.)

Point-class cutter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCG_Point_Class_Cutter
http://www.uscg.mil/history/cutters/docs/design/82WPB_1962.pdf
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/wpb-82.htm

(it's also in the CWDB, so I'm guessing all the data that is needed is there)

We built a gazillion of these (okay, okay, only 79, but that's almost a gazillion...) and then after using them for about 20 years we sold them to about a dozen countries, mostly in the Caribbean (including Costa Rica, Mexico, Jamaica, and El Salvador), but also places like Georgia and Turkmenistan (I want to know how they got an 82' boat to the Caspian Sea). So, one can see the possibilities here...





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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/14/2014 10:48:39 AM   
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Minor F4G Wild Weasel incongruity.

#645 - F-4G Phantom II [Wild Weasel V] -- USAF, 1990-1995

load-out names indicate using the AN/ALQ-131 DECM Pod while in the load-out detail they use the AN/ALQ-184. Took a quick look through the other weasels and they seem to have the proper accoutrements.






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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/14/2014 12:16:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's another one we might see on the Caspian (and a lot of other places...about 40 of these were sold or transferred to various other countries)...

Yevgenya-class minesweeper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgenya-class_minesweeper
http://russian-ships.info/eng/warships/project_1258.htm

Less widely exported, but boats did go to Syria and Bulgaria...

Vanya-class minesweeper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanya-class_minesweeper
http://russian-ships.info/eng/warships/project_257.htm


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/14/2014 5:07:45 PM   
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Here's another one we might see on the Caspian (and a lot of other places...about 40 of these were sold or transferred to various other countries)...
Less widely exported, but boats did go to Syria and Bulgaria...
Yevgenya-class minesweeper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgenya-class_minesweeper
http://russian-ships.info/eng/warships/project_1258.htm

Vanya-class minesweeper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanya-class_minesweeper
http://russian-ships.info/eng/warships/project_257.htm




I never noticed before but NATO gave a class name Yevgenya and Zhenya to two different classes and the naming convention for minesweepers was diminutives of given names with the exception of Yevgenya. I wonder why.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/15/2014 3:37:33 AM   
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When there is time, please add the MQ-8C version of the Fire Scout, which can be armed...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_MQ-8_Fire_Scout
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Precision_Kill_Weapon_System
http://gizmodo.com/5901632/drone-helicopter-gets-deadlier-with-precision-kill-weapons-upgrade


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/15/2014 3:48:09 AM   
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I would love to see these added...

Fleet-class unmanned surface vessel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet-class_unmanned_surface_vessel
http://sgtreport.com/2012/11/navy-test-fires-missiles-from-robot-boats/
http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2012/11/here-comes-us-navys-robot-boats.html
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/11/03/navy-test-fires-missiles-from-robot-boats/

Protector USV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protector_USV
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/protector-unmanned-surface-vehicle/

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/15/2014 3:50:37 AM   
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Emsoy what's the chance of getting this Helo AW159added to soon. It is intended use is on the Queen Liz class CV. Commences service with Brit Army sometime this year and RN soon after.
I'm its not in the DB.
Thanks
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/15/2014 4:10:31 AM   
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When there is time, please add the MQ-8C version of the Fire Scout, which can be armed...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_MQ-8_Fire_Scout
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Precision_Kill_Weapon_System
http://gizmodo.com/5901632/drone-helicopter-gets-deadlier-with-precision-kill-weapons-upgrade




Yes. Longer loiter time and bigger payload than the B version.

The MQ-8B will be armed as well, with APKWS, as per the Wikipedia article.
The B is also getting a surface search radar, the Telephonics AN/ZPY-4 (RDR 1700 in the DB)


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/15/2014 1:51:43 PM   
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IAI Panther
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Panther
http://www.tgdaily.com/security-features/51859-iai-deploys-next-gen-vtol-uav
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1093
http://www.unmanned.co.uk/autonomous-unmanned-vehicles/uav-data-specifications-fact-sheets/panther-uas-specifications/

(I could easily see this being used in a "module" in an LCS...control station and crew are in one of the modules in the big reconfigurable hold and half-a-dozen of these little guys are extra eyes in the sky for an LCS sitting 20 or 30 miles offshore...when they find something worth killing, a Burke 50 or 60 miles away can launch Tomahawks. The MQ-8 already serves this role, but these things are so small, you could double the number of drones on the ship.)


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/15/2014 2:49:57 PM   
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http://www.navaldrones.com/Integrator.html
http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.displayPlatform&key=5909B969-2077-41C2-9474-C78E9F60798C
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Insitu_RQ-21_Blackjack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBBOcoE2SV0


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/15/2014 3:19:40 PM   
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I would love to see these added...

Fleet-class unmanned surface vessel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet-class_unmanned_surface_vessel
http://sgtreport.com/2012/11/navy-test-fires-missiles-from-robot-boats/
http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2012/11/here-comes-us-navys-robot-boats.html
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/11/03/navy-test-fires-missiles-from-robot-boats/

Protector USV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protector_USV
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/protector-unmanned-surface-vehicle/



Hi Mark

Protector is in the DB. Look for variants under Israel and Singapore.

Still working on the Fleet implementation. It really doesn't have a standard payload yet and for all purposes is a general purpose launch that you can add weapons and sensors to like we do the LCS. I'll probably start with something like that.


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/15/2014 5:27:49 PM   
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The USN and USMC will likely be using the RQ-21A in this role.

http://www.navaldrones.com/Integrator.html
http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.displayPlatform&key=5909B969-2077-41C2-9474-C78E9F60798C
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Insitu_RQ-21_Blackjack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBBOcoE2SV0



Cool! (And I hope to see it added someday to the DB3000, too...again, I know it takes a while to add platforms, so I know a lot of these might not get in for a while.)

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/15/2014 5:28:48 PM   
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Hi Mark

Protector is in the DB. Look for variants under Israel and Singapore.



Sorry...I did check. I must have just missed it, somehow.



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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/15/2014 5:45:46 PM   
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Minor F4G Wild Weasel incongruity.

#645 - F-4G Phantom II [Wild Weasel V] -- USAF, 1990-1995

load-out names indicate using the AN/ALQ-131 DECM Pod while in the load-out detail they use the AN/ALQ-184. Took a quick look through the other weasels and they seem to have the proper accoutrements.


Fixed, thanks!

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#1742 - DD 110 Takanami [Improved Marusame] should have the option for #927 - RIM-162B ESSM in its VLS in addition to RIM-7M Seasparrow and VL ASROC. At some point the class was upgraded with ESSM capability, but I can't find a hard date.


Removed the ESSM from the 2003 version of the ship as the missile was likely entering service without the missiles aboard. Then added a 2004 version with the missiles present. Also updated the 2006 version. Thanks!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/15/2014 7:52:52 PM   
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Germany 2014, Italy 2018 (both with Eurofighter), France 2018 (Rafale), Sweden 2015 (Gripen NG) will get the Meteor AA missle. Currently only UK is has Meteor in game.

The german ships of the Sachsen (F124) and Brandenburg (123) class can operate two medium sized helicopters and have place for them in their hangars.
The Bremen class (F122) can handle medium sized helicopters only on their pad (hanger is for two small one - so hangar is already correct).
Brandenburg(F123) class will get ESSM SAM in 2014, but I don't know if in quad or single packs.


Added/updated, thanks!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 2/16/2014 5:33:32 AM   
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Looks like the C-803K and the last two loadouts should have ready times of 10 hours; or something more than 45 minutes.

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RAAF - All dates are for RAAF operations.

F/A-18B Hornet - not in DB at all, could be added to several countries, 1985-current


Yeah have left out trainer versions pretty much througout the database. Probably need to add them if used in operations.

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King Air 350 - Is not in DB at all, could be added to Civilian and Commercial, 2009-current


Added

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Pilatus PC-9A - Is not in DB at all, could be added to several other countries, 1987-current


Will add when needed for a scenario

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CT/4 Airtrainer - Is not in DB at all, 1973-current


Ditto.

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Challenger CL-604 - Is not in DB at all, could be added to Commercial also, 2002-2014


Ditto also.

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737 BBJ - Is not in DB but several other 737 variants are. Is actually a 737-700. Closest in DB is 737-700ER, 2002-2014


Added.

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AN/TPS-77 - I note that the AN/TPS-70 is incorrectly listed under the Australian Air Force in the DB3K, it is actually the AN/TPS-77 which is operated by 3CRU and 114MCRU, 2005-current


Updated.

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De Havilland DHC-4 Caribou - Is not in the DB at all, 1963-2009

C-130H - This is in the DB, just not for Australia, 1978-2012

C-130E - Also not in Australia in the DB, 1966-2000

C-130A - Also not in Australia in the DB, 1958-1978


Added -130E/H, C-130A is Paul's

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C-17 - This is actually in the DB and in Australias category, too. I just wanted to note that IOC was reached in september 2007 rather than in 08.


Yeah late 2007 becomes 2008 in the database

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Boeing 707 - VIP transport and tanker variants operated by 33SQN, 1981-2008


Added:

Boeing 707-338C [A20] -- Australia (Air Force), 1981-1991, 2x+2x, Converted to Tankers
Boeing 707-338C(KC) Tanker [A20] -- Australia (Air Force), 1991, 4x
Boeing 707-368C [A20] -- Australia (Air Force), 1988-2008, 2x, Transports

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Id like to note that the Aussie Hornets in the DB currently require AIM-120-C5s in their loadouts. Id like to point out that we acquired AIM-120-C7s in 2011, and AIM-120Bs in 1998, but am aware of no sales of AMRAAMs in the intervening years. Id like to suggest a solution to loadouts which allows individual weapons to be set, on a per hardpoint and possibly per launcher basis, rather than a per loadout basis. Id like to cite the PACAF approved SCLs as one such reason, given the extreme number of different loadouts.


Thanks! Not much information out there, so when Canada bought AIM-120C-5 at the same time Australia did, I assumed Australia got the same version. Re-researched the issue and says AIM-120B, so running with that. Thanks!

Also created a new 2002 version of the Hornet carrying AIM-120B and AIM-9M.

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Ive noted quite a few pennants missing in the Aussie DB too, so Ill list some of them here for you.

73 Collins - SSG 73 Collins [Collins Class]

75 Waller - SSG 75 Waller [Collins Class]

01 Adelaide [Perry] - FFG 01 Adelaide [Perry Class]

150 Anzac - FFH 150 Anzac [Anzac Class]

Id like to request the addition of O 266 Sirius, a replenishment ship.

I should also note that the Paluma Class vessels of the Royal Australian Navy are conspicuously absent, along with their Leeuwin Class cousins.


Singapore

PC-21


My appreciation is extended in anticipation of these eventual updates.


Updated pennants, thanks!

Added O 266 Sirius earlier, so should be ok.

Do you have more info on the Paluma/Leeuwin class?

Will add PC-21 Pilatus when needed for a scenario

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Looks like the C-803K and the last two loadouts should have ready times of 10 hours; or something more than 45 minutes.


Oops, fixed! Thanks

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