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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 5:03:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dear readers dudes: Steve has figured out that the rest of the test would be pointless and has supplied me w/ a new version that
has no Partisan Activity and no partisans. So I'm going to start over and I'm using the new AAA2Opart3.exe and these game
options. I'll be posting save games for those of you who want to have an indepth look at the game situation from time to time.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 5:34:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		The British divisions are among the earliest units to move and I've decided to hit the ground running. Here's what I decided to do w/ the
British and it appears that I might get away w/ it. I'm attempting to surround the Germans and defeat them ASAP to get the advance
moving north to Messina.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 9:10:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's what I decided to do w/ the rest of them. I formed a rough perimeter and have a reserve on the coastal road and I'm thinking
just about everything is ready for the mayhem to come.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 9:34:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the position of everything at the beginning of turn 2:




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 10:03:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the position of everybody just before the combat resolution phase. The Axis side got two turns in a row and really got into the
zone on me. I've got several places where the front lines are weak but this is the best I can do I figure.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 10:22:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the positions of everybody at the beginning of T3: progress is being made and the British are just about ready to press to the
north.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 11:15:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the strategic situation at the beginning of T4: It's turned into a slugfest toe-to-toe fight and I'm trying to create a hole and then
make the hole bigger and then start to roll up the enemy lines meanwhile get the British to approach Messina from the NW and S at the
same time somehow. Which neccesatates having a road besides the coastal road and that opens another can of worms that I need to
consider. I need to somehow quickly come up w/ a strategic plan and execute it. All I have at the present is Americans on the left and
British on the right and Americans try to make a hole somewhere and British press north. It's all I needed at the start but now things are
starting to open up and the character of the conflict has changed.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 11:29:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was just now checking out the losses in the way of aircraft ( because I've been flying them a LOT lately ) and I'm seeing that the
Spitfire V's and P-40's are really taking it on the chin compared w/ the other types. They are the lowest performing aircraft and I'm
using them on AS missions and I guess I shouldn't. I'll put them on INT and CS instead and save some lives.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 11:38:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fortunately there's a supply point really close to where the British are operating and I can afford ( supply-wise ) to run the arty w/ a
three-dot setting. That will accelerate the take down of the Germans there. I hope I have moved the arty forward fast enough to at
least equal the arty the Germans might have in this fight. I'm thinking I should use the tanks to force a hole to the north and use the
arty to block on the flank(s). I'm hoping I have enough units present to form a rudimentary front line that will have to attack to the west
to grab another road going north.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 11:51:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can also go to 3-dot attacks in the American sectors because of the immediate proximity of supply points and the elevated supply
levels. That will help out trying to hold the front lines in this area. I'm having to use recon and engineers on the front lines and I'm
hoping I can eventually replace them w/ front line kinds of INF troops. Also, there's paratroopers on the front line and I'd rather save
them for parachute drops later and not waste them holding a place on the front line. Also, I'd like to get my tanks and mechanized
units into terrain where their advantage, mobility, can be expressed.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 12:13:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		In a fit of extreme need I attacked an enemy arty unit w/ some engineers and it turns out that a 1-dot attack w/ lots of back-up arty is a
good thing. The arty took out about half of the enemy tubes in just one attack. I'm going to do that again.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 12:45:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the situation at the beginning of T5. The German counterattacks have opened my front lines on the West side. I'm without
a reserve there too. It's not looking very secure over there. I'm trying to do too much w/ too few troops. I'm going to have to break
down some of the bigger units, I guess, to produce more units on the ground even if they are smaller. I'm hoping the American arty
can make up the difference. I'm crossing my fingers.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 1:10:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		In WITP-AE there's a mission for the fighters called "sweep" where you attack the aircraft at an enemy airdrome w/ your fighters. I
thought I'd do one of those before anything else I do this turn. There's this enemy airfield in the NW corner of Sicily that has three
enemy aircraft squadrons on it and I thought I'd send six squadrons of fighters to attack them. Just to whittle down the Axis air power
some. I'll let you know what the results were.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 2:45:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with the removal of the partisans. As I advance north probably 75% of the hexes have been converted to Allied control by the partisans.

I'll restart also with the latest version. Is that on your web site Steve?

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 2:50:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		A point I've noticed about railroad repair:

The two RR repair pioneer units have a very high probability of repairing the rail. Frequently when I check at the beginning of the next turn the rail hex in front of the pioneer unit has been repaired also. Can they repair two hexes in a turn?

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 2:58:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Petey

A point I've noticed about railroad repair:

The two RR repair pioneer units have a very high probability of repairing the rail. Frequently when I check at the beginning of the next turn the rail hex in front of the pioneer unit has been repaired also. Can they repair two hexes in a turn?


I think the automatic rail repair tends to occur near units with RR capability if present.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 7:58:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Petey
I'll restart also with the latest version. Is that on your web site Steve?

Yes it is. I got free delivery from Steve but you can also get it from his web site.

And the link to Steve's personal site is this:

http://www.dizium.net/TOAW

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 10:07:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the East side in T6. T6 already, I'm falling behind schedule because of all the German resistance. We're still pressing to the
north along the coast and I've finally got a pretty good surround going on some pesky German units. I'm trying to mop them up even
as we speak.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 10:39:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK. This is T7's front lines and the Germans are breaking through my lines AGAIN after all the struggle I gave to plug the hole and
everything. I'm going to need some British units to help plug the hole. Luckily I just happen to have some British units nearby and
ready to step up.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/16/2014 11:56:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a 3.4 no new rules scenario, so you shouldn't use the New Supply or New Turn Order rules. No need to restart, just turn them both off when you get a chance. Thanks!

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/17/2014 12:13:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh. OK, so I'll use these settings now:




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/17/2014 12:15:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've been moving units in T7 and I've surrounded and isolated another semi-large group of Germans and I've gotten some recon on
the non-coastal road we're going to use to proceed north to Messina. Those Germans that are surrounded are almost cleared off
the non-coastal road and once they are gone we'll proceed north again.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/17/2014 9:41:56 AM   
Petey

 

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Status: offline 		Ok, I'll turn both of these settings to off also. By the way, what do they do when on?

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/17/2014 10:19:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Petey: I'm not real sure about this but I'm thinking that the new turn order rules gives each player the
chance to have two turns in a row instead of having player #1 to go first each turn. And the new supply
rules adjusts the level of supply to use the new "smoother" supply level decline w/ distance instead of the
"stairstep" old method. It results in a more realistic supply method. This is my understanding.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/17/2014 10:33:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Larry.

Turn 20 and I've just captured Messina and cleared Sicily of Axis units. My units are in no shape to invade Italy for a bit. Don't know what went wrong or if Steve has the Axis fighting better but they just did not want to let go of this island

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/17/2014 10:43:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Petey
Thanks Larry.

Turn 20 and I've just captured Messina and cleared Sicily of Axis units. My units are in no shape to invade Italy for a bit.

It's a good idea to rest your dudes until they are combat ready again. Invading w/ tired troops is one way to lose troops for
no good reason. Rested troops fight better. Turn 20 for the island of Sicily is pretty good I think.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Petey
Don't know what went wrong or if Steve has the Axis fighting better but they just did not want to let go of this island

It feels like that to me too. Something is different this time.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/17/2014 12:03:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the T9 positions. The Germans on the far left edge are the only ones visible that I haven't surrounded yet except for, obviously,
the Germans being attacked on the far right as we advance toward Messina. We've gotten most of the airfields and I see a German
squadron that is just begging to be pounded by British arty. Several strikes might just take care of the infestation. It's looking pretty
good for a change and I'm thinking I may be back on schedule.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/17/2014 12:18:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was looking at my aircraft losses again just now and did some rough back-of-the-envelope calculations and came to the conclusion
that my Spitfire V's weren't pulling their fair share of the air war load and I needed to take them off CS missions and back on AS, at
least for a while. I'm going to leave the P-40's on AS for a while but if the P-40 losses get too high, again, I'll move them to a CS
posture. Meanwhile I'm not running any INT missions at all because I'd rather concentrate on CS for the bombers and AS for the
fighters, all of them, even the poor performers ( Spitfire V's and P-40's ). I've got to try to get air superiority as soon as it can be done
in order to keep my air losses lower ( I'm thinking of my bombers especially here ).




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/17/2014 12:55:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the T9 positions just before the execution of the combat phase. I'm slowly mopping up in the middle and only holding my own on
the far left and zooming north on the right. So far so good.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised - 2/17/2014 1:15:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the T10 strategic situation. The mop up in the middle is concluded and has freed up a substantial number of units that can now
zoom north to Messina and prepare to invade the boot by resting until they have 150 supply and at least 100 readiness. Meanwhile
the British use the non-coastal road to approach Messina from the NW and the Americans that are still locked in combat.......I'm trying to
outflank the Germans by moving north and then west around their positions to cut them off from supply and then destroy them. It's
probably going to take about 15 turns to dispatch that particular group. Then we can proceed to clear the rest of the island and move
everybody toward Messina to get off the island and onto the boot.




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