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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: Lecivius

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Ask anyone who has ever conned a carrier doing flight ops how they felt about having a second large ship within miles of them. Here the OP has dozens and dozens of carriers doing flight ops in a 40-mile hex. Plus at least (?) a thousand smaller combatants. Lunacy. Forget the air models. This is demolition derby time.

This gave me a visual of synchronized flight ops with 2 dozen carriers, sorta like movies in the 50’s. “Now we see all these carrier pivot cleanly on their sterns to course 170 true…of wait, the Franklin seems to have stumbled a bit. Oh that IS bad luck, I hope the Nassau can get out of the way in time! Oh, bad show, the Franklin seems to be back on course, but the Nassau seems to have vanished”

Ask the USS Evans.

Two-dozen would be generous for the moves this guy tried. 95% of the entire USN in 40-miles. Picture that famous photo of Ulithi Atoll fleet anchorage in the late war. Now add hundreds more ships. Now make them all move at once.

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ORIGINAL: hades1001

I do it not because I like it or I think it's realistic,

I do it because I have to, otherwise I don't an option to protect my fleet.

As you can see even 2500 cap won't provide full protection.

What are you going to do then? Spread the fleet in a few hexes (more realistic) and let them get slaughtered by the Japanese?

I don't think so.

So, for you sir, you are apparently lack of 1945 game experience and have no idea what a hell Allies may face in the game.

You can play realistic and be my guest, you won't last long in the game anyway.

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ORIGINAL: hades1001

So you will spread your fleet in several hex when knowing there is a 1300AC KB coming?

Very wise.

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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

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ORIGINAL: hades1001

95% of Allies CV/CVL/CVL/BB/CA and DDs are in this hex [...] together with a couple hundred of transports.

This is not a abuse of engine but a must move in the game.

95% of Allied combat ships in the same hex is no abuse of engine?

Well, with so many ships in one hex there is probably no sea room left for evasive maneuvers to avoid incoming torps. The Japanese can just drop them without aiming - they will surely hit something in the wall of ships in front of them...

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: hades1001

I do it not because I like it or I think it's realistic,

I do it because I have to, otherwise I don't an option to protect my fleet.

As you can see even 2500 cap won't provide full protection.

What are you going to do then? Spread the fleet in a few hexes (more realistic) and let them get slaughtered by the Japanese?

I don't think so.

So, for you sir, you are apparently lack of 1945 game experience and have no idea what a hell Allies may face in the game.

You can play realistic and be my guest, you won't last long in the game anyway.

I've played three full GCs as Allies against the AI, one to the spring of 1946. I'm in two PBEM games; only one is AARed. I started playing WITP in 2005.

If you believe this was your ONLY option, as you've said multiple times, you don't have nearly enough experience with the game to have an opinion on my skill set. You've been told by many people with even more experience than me that you're wrong. Most importantly, you've been told by a developer who is still in active support of the game, that what you did will break the engine, won't produce the results you believe you're entitled to. Won't. Do. It.

Keep flogging the dolphin here if you like, but you screwed up. Learn and move on.

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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

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ORIGINAL: hades1001

So you will spread your fleet in several hex when knowing there is a 1300AC KB coming?

Very wise.

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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

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ORIGINAL: hades1001

95% of Allies CV/CVL/CVL/BB/CA and DDs are in this hex [...] together with a couple hundred of transports.

This is not a abuse of engine but a must move in the game.

95% of Allied combat ships in the same hex is no abuse of engine?

Well, with so many ships in one hex there is probably no sea room left for evasive maneuvers to avoid incoming torps. The Japanese can just drop them without aiming - they will surely hit something in the wall of ships in front of them...

If I know that late in the game there still is a Mega-KB with teeth out there, I would a) consider the possibility that I may have done something wrong since 1943, b) go KB-hunting before sending transports in harm's way, c) not bring any Combustible-Vulnerable-Expendable types along until the fleet-type CVs have pulled KBs' teeth, and d) maybe decide to play it save, change strategy and advance under cover of LBA

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ORIGINAL: hades1001

LOL play against AI till spring 46...

I'll just shut up, no point arguing with you.

BTW would you mind point out who's the active developer that point out what I do break the engine? I may missed that thread and want to read his comments again. Thanks.

Mike

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ORIGINAL: hades1001

BTW would you mind point out who's the active developer that point out what I do break the engine? I may missed that thread and want to read his comments again. Thanks.

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ORIGINAL: USS America

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ORIGINAL: hades1001

LOL play against AI till spring 46...

I'll just shut up, no point arguing with you.

BTW would you mind point out who's the active developer that point out what I do break the engine? I may missed that thread and want to read his comments again. Thanks.

This thread. Post #36. No longer an "active developer", as there are no longer any true "active developers", but one of the lead developers for AE. You're welcome.

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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

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ORIGINAL: witpqs
The fact that the game handles many things that are beyond 'realistic' does not mean that it can handle everything that is beyond realistic. The fact that players do such things, even do them frequently, does not change that.

Thats probably the central point here.

And no, obvert, I don´t think that a single experienced player here would amass "95% of the USN in a single hex" in a potential combat environment, at least not without being absolutely aware of the consequences.

PS: Just a hint: arguing with CT when he gets all emotional isn´t worth it. He will only read 50% of your posts content, decide which part of the remaining 50% is the more irritating to him, and then get even more emotional on those 25% while completely missing the target (or failing to understand that what he gets emotional about has been already discussed ages ago).

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Won’t (can’t) say how, what, when, where, or why, but will testify that it IS. Out of scale “stacks” will give out of scale results. Period.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

Why would you be surprised? The point is that it is way outside of the design parameters, and this example has specifically been commented on to that effect by one developer, while in general such has been commented on to that effect by numerous developers in the past. They do not mean for the engine to support that many ships operating in one hex, and the first thing that breaks is the air model when that many carriers operate in one hex. They have said repeatedly "Don't do that!" and when someone does that, it hurts, and you are surprised that we point that out about the game? The game is not designed/coded to handle, and it doesn't handle it. They revealed that a long time ago and have repeated it a number of times.

If someone says "Hey developers, please change that." I would understand that whether I agreed with it or not. But when someone doggedly refuses to believe the developers' notice about it, I do not understand. The fact that the game handles many things that are beyond 'realistic' does not mean that it can handle everything that is beyond realistic. The fact that players do such things, even do them frequently, does not change that.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

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ORIGINAL: witpqs
The fact that the game handles many things that are beyond 'realistic' does not mean that it can handle everything that is beyond realistic. The fact that players do such things, even do them frequently, does not change that.

Thats probably the central point here.

And no, obvert, I don´t think that a single experienced player here would amass "95% of the USN in a single hex" in a potential combat environment, at least not without being absolutely aware of the consequences.

PS: Just a hint: arguing with CT when he gets all emotional isn´t worth it. He will only read 50% of your posts content, decide which part of the remaining 50% is the more irritating to him, and then get even more emotional on those 25% while completely missing the target (or failing to understand that what he gets emotional about has been already discussed ages ago).

Ha! yeah, I see!